Our oline is not that bad as we think it is.

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#41
Look at the scheme, SAMFORD just weeks prior had FSU on the ropes and was throwing the ball all through the middle of their secondary and deep as was everyone they had played until Miami and after yet richt comes out trying to establish the run. Yet we come out like we are afraid to throw the ball and like we were playing some elite secondary. Again put your players in the best position to succeed, that applies to all the skill positions and certainly imo to the oline as well
Oline was gettin whipped against FIU LOL. Spin it how u want the oline play was horrible
 

DTP

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#43
Run blocking went from 100% garbage to passable. Pass blocking is 100%garbage. Whoever is playing QB has to run for his life every time he drops back.
 

Suarez

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Big issue with our OL is our staffs inability to determine who our best players are and where they should be playing. How the **** did they ever think 55 was a Tackle, why did it take them so long to see that Scaife was our best pass blocking Tackle, and what the **** where they thinking all year with the LG possition too?
 
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#46
We were very bad running the ball against anyone with a pulse on defense or on the road.

Also, is the scheme the reason for all the false start/holding penalties that killed drives during the 4 game losing streak?

FSU: 2.2 yards a rush
LSU: 2.4 yards a rush
@BC: 4.3 yards a rush
@GT 4.5 yards a rush
@UVA: 5.1 yards a rush (take away Homer's 70 yard run and its 2.8 yards a rush)

These numbers are atrocious, regardless of scheme.
 

brock

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We were very bad running the ball against anyone with a pulse on defense or on the road.

Also, is the scheme the reason for all the false start/holding penalties that killed drives during the 4 game losing streak?

FSU: 2.2 yards a rush
LSU: 2.4 yards a rush
@BC: 4.3 yards a rush
@GT 4.5 yards a rush
@UVA: 5.1 yards a rush (take away Homer's 70 yard run and its 2.8 yards a rush)

These numbers are atrocious, regardless of scheme.
Curious how you came up with those averages unless you included Perry/rosier runs and sack yardage which goes against yards per rush
 
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#49
We're not a traditional running team, and that's okay.. Design your play calls around this. A bubble screen is essentially a hand off.

Use your hand offs strategically the way you take your shots downfield.

Be creative. We have the hogs to compete at a high level.
 
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#50
Check online forums and it's rare to find any college or pro fan base that doesn't whine about its offensive line. There is no greater commonality.

Dolphin fans use it to excuse Ryan Tannehill year after year. He's the next great thing if he merely had a subpar offensive line instead of Turnstile Twins everywhere.

Bottom line, offensive lines cannot vary as much as we prefer to believe. There are 5 players out there at all times. That in itself lends to sameness, far beyond quarterback where one guy can be light years above someone else. You don't really need to study anything to understand the basic logic that a position with 3 players varies less than 1 but more than 5, and so forth.

Again, more often than not. Much more often than not. You always have the geniuses who scramble for outliers, as if they hold any meaning whatsoever.

NFL offensive lines will vary less than college, for the obvious reason that a common draft produces nationwide parity to greater dependability than regional factors and 30/85 scholarships.

The Canes will have offensive line talent very comparable to other schools on the same basic tier that we have occupied for the past dozen years or so, the programs with recruiting annually in the 8-20 range as a rule.
 

Rd745

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#51
Big issue with our OL is our staffs inability to determine who our best players are and where they should be playing. How the **** did they ever think 55 was a Tackle, why did it take them so long to see that Scaife was our best pass blocking Tackle, and what the **** where they thinking all year with the LG possition too?
In year 1 they didn’t figure out the right OL combination until after we lost 4 god damn games in a row, but it was year 1.

This year they rotated way too many guys around and it hurt us, among other things.

I hope by now they realize Donaldson needs to remain at Guard and they need to find another tackle between Campbell Herbert and Hillary. I don’t have faith in George Brown based on reports.

Gaynor will be a big upgrade at C and will bring more nastiness.

Boulware is definitely more athletic but he was in the dog house. I’m hoping Reed wins the job here.

Regardless they need to leave camp with their starting OL and stick to it. Spring and summer is more than enough tim to find the right 5
 

SCarolina Ibis

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#52
Who’s of this agreement with me?

When people say we don’t run a qb friendly or receiver friendly offense to maximize their talent that same notion definitely applies to the oline IMO. How many times did richts predictable non creative offense exploit their weaknesses in obvious situations? You are a coordinator you are supposed to scheme and work around their faults. The constant 3rd and 1 same plays, draws up the middle, all verticals, lack of motion in the offense to make the defense account for a side of the field and unclog some of that in the middle by taking them out of that in the play. Bottom line put them in a position to succeed... This isn’t a post to defend Searels because I defintiely Think he needs to go regardless but just been thinking about the success we have had recently when we have spread the defense out. Miami finished the season #23 in the country in yards per rush with 5.19 a rush. Roman alluded to it on twitter the other day too. It’s deeper beyond a talent issue, this scheme was the biggest detriment of the season rather than their play imo but we all knew that hopefully richt understands this

This is why in today’s age of football the system is very important, you all think a team like ucf or Memphis has a better oline in terms of talent than Miami? No but the system they run helps erase any edge Miami has in talent compared to those two teams and thus the difference in performance.

Now on to next year we lose Tyree(he was terrible early on this year but has settled down recently) and gaultheir(he’s been terrible all year). We do get back scaife who looks pretty good now especially lately, Donaldson has made some impactful blocks specifically in the run game the last few games he just need to be more consistent, boulware imo has been good when he’s played this year although he hasn’t been playing as much as he was in that stretch earlier on in the season.

I think The oline might be solid next year
Lt Scaife(will he move over there?), george Brown
Lg Boulware/Cleveland reed
C Gaynor
Rg Donaldson , hillery
Rt Campbell, Herbert(will he take the next step?
Oline development is obviously at a different pace than other positions. Should see a leap in guys game like Herbert and hillery which will be great for us especially if Herbert can take the right tackle spot. I like Campbell’s ability a lot there too.
For what its worth, I agree that the talent is there. Its the inability to get the most out of that talent that concerns me.

In my brief defense of Searels, I pointed out that he was the only coach responsible for identifying, recruiting, coaching & naming 5 starters. By comparison, the secondary was split between 2 coaches, same as linebacker.

The talent is there. But man.. This is still going to come down to their development.
 
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#53
Yeah. That MAJOR improvement had Miami ranked as the NO. 93 total offense by the end of the regular season. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Their were QB issues and play calling issues and all that. So what. Miami's offensive line is ATROCIOUS!
Nah. False
 
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Who’s of this agreement with me?

When people say we don’t run a qb friendly or receiver friendly offense to maximize their talent that same notion definitely applies to the oline IMO. How many times did richts predictable non creative offense exploit their weaknesses in obvious situations? You are a coordinator you are supposed to scheme and work around their faults. The constant 3rd and 1 same plays, draws up the middle, all verticals, lack of motion in the offense to make the defense account for a side of the field and unclog some of that in the middle by taking them out of that in the play. Bottom line put them in a position to succeed... This isn’t a post to defend Searels because I defintiely Think he needs to go regardless but just been thinking about the success we have had recently when we have spread the defense out. Miami finished the season #23 in the country in yards per rush with 5.19 a rush. Roman alluded to it on twitter the other day too. It’s deeper beyond a talent issue, this scheme was the biggest detriment of the season rather than their play imo but we all knew that hopefully richt understands this

This is why in today’s age of football the system is very important, you all think a team like ucf or Memphis has a better oline in terms of talent than Miami? No but the system they run helps erase any edge Miami has in talent compared to those two teams and thus the difference in performance.

Now on to next year we lose Tyree(he was terrible early on this year but has settled down recently) and gaultheir(he’s been terrible all year). We do get back scaife who looks pretty good now especially lately, Donaldson has made some impactful blocks specifically in the run game the last few games he just need to be more consistent, boulware imo has been good when he’s played this year although he hasn’t been playing as much as he was in that stretch earlier on in the season.

I think The oline might be solid next year
Lt Scaife(will he move over there?), george Brown
Lg Boulware/Cleveland reed
C Gaynor
Rg Donaldson , hillery
Rt Campbell, Herbert(will he take the next step?
Oline development is obviously at a different pace than other positions. Should see a leap in guys game like Herbert and hillery which will be great for us especially if Herbert can take the right tackle spot. I like Campbell’s ability a lot there too.
Our OL is fucking terribly inconsistent
 

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@brock I see you stealing my depth chart. Stay gold, pony boy.
 
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#59
The OL looks bad against any team that has a pulse on the DLine. They look halfway decent vs teams like Va Tech & Pitt at the end of the season when the games don't really matter.

Put the tape on vs LSU, vs BC, vs Duke etc., they're average at best & below average on the regular.

Corch Seashells is an awful OL coach & our offensive scheme doesn't make it any easier on our OL by constantly putting them in positions to do things they literally can't do.

Everybody is always pushing this "better next year" fairytale, but as long as guys like Jon Richt & Seashells are still coaching their positions there's not going to be much development.

Fans are just repositioning themselves back into the same place they were in coming into this season. Yall will delude yourselves into believing then you'll be let down because you tricked yourself into falling for the same old stupid sh*t every season, followed by making the exact same excuses & blaming players, fans & injuries. Wash, rinse, repeat.
 
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#60
Scaife is not a LT.
 
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