Our Glorious Athletic Director

[dookie blaylock]

Consigliere is dominating this topic.

Consigliere is now embarrassed. It's like getting an endorsement from Forrest Gump.

Didn't he buy Apple at like $5.00?

lieutenant dan did that for him.

 

[AntwanJ306]

Consigliere is dominating this topic.

Consigliere is now embarrassed. It's like getting an endorsement from Forrest Gump.

Didn't he buy Apple at like $5.00?

Yeah, some fruit company.

 

[Consigliere]

Consigliere is dominating this topic.

Consigliere is now embarrassed. It's like getting an endorsement from Forrest Gump.

Didn't he buy Apple at like $5.00?

lieutenant dan did that for him.

So he trusted the right people. He trusted Bubba and it lead him to the Shrimp business.

Forrest Gump knew his own problems (i.e. retardation) that's why he surrounded himself with the right people.

Our Admin should take notes from Forrest Gump. When you can't do it, hire someone competent who can do it. Then you look like a genius for hiring that person.

 

[dookie blaylock]

Consigliere is dominating this topic.

Consigliere is now embarrassed. It's like getting an endorsement from Forrest Gump.

Didn't he buy Apple at like $5.00?

lieutenant dan did that for him.

So he trusted the right people. He trusted Bubba and it lead him to the Shrimp business.

Forrest Gump knew his own problems (i.e. retardation) that's why he surrounded himself with the right people.

Our Admin should take notes from Forrest Gump. When you can't do it, hire someone competent who can do it. Then you look like a genius for hiring that person.

well he also trusted jenny, and all she did was take advantage of him, get aids, die, and leave him with the kid who sees dead people.

 

[561Cane]

Bull****. The atmosphere on gameday is crappy because UM is not winning. They win, people show up. It's always been this way in SFL.

BTW, I was at the Dolphins game this past Sunday and the place was electric and loud. It does happen, we just have not witnessed it at Canes game.

That's our fearless leader showing when it comes to the stadium issue he has no desire, plan or vision to have it resolved. Unreal. Where are our priorities? We are rotting at SLS. That FAMU game was the worst attendance for FAMU I have ever seen. I'm done with this guy.

You think it is SunLife Stadium? Dude, go look at what Miami drew for home games in 1997. Paid attendance under 20K against Rutgers for homecoming. Miami is not drawing because it is not putting out a product that corresponds to South Florida. South Florida goes for front runners, period. Even in the OB the paid attendance was around 40 to 45K against pedestrian teams even when Miami was good.

I was there in 1997. In 1997, we were in our 3rd year of probation, with a horrible home schedule and watching the University of Miami football team going 5-7. No **** the stadium is going to be empty. If you can't see that less fans are attending games at SLS then you are either not attending the games or not attention to detail. The crowds are clearly smaller at SLS than at the OB. At SLS, we have yet to play a game where every seat is completely full. Oklahoma, FSU and Florida have visited SLS and not one of those games were completely full. Upper decks (especially the corners) had many empty seats. When Florida and FSU (even under Coker) visited the OB those games were full entirely.

Additionally, playing our games at SLS is hurting this program. Regardless of the product on the field, the experience is flat out boring. Fans are too far from the field and are not part of the game. Even during our bad years at the Orange Bowl, our experience at the games were night and day. I felt part of the game, like my yelling and screaming made a difference. Fans were closer to the field and closer together. So when one section is cheering "Lets go Canes" it wasn't long for the rest of the stadium to catch on. When has that ever happened at SLS? Once or twice since we have been there. You know why? Because the fans are far away from each other too. You can't hear what is being chanted in 3 sections next to you. I haven't heard a good "Lets go Canes" chant in years. At the OB, we got that every game.

I feel sorry for our players. They have zero home field advantage. They don't really feed off the crowd at SLS. It takes 70k to get that place loud and that never happens. At least at the Orange Bowl, 40k would have that place rocking. The value of attending University of Miami game is just not worth it anymore, especially with a ****ty product on the field. Road games have become more enjoyable than home games.

The new renovations are not going to resolve the issues I have stated above. In fact, it is going to feel more like a Miami Dolphins stadium than ever. It's putting lipstick on a pig. The funny part is these renovations do not guarantee a Super Bowl. So yes, we are rotting at SLS. That place flat out sucks!

 

[Hegemon]

Consigliere is dominating this topic.

Consigliere is now embarrassed. It's like getting an endorsement from Forrest Gump.

How does my ******* taste little doggy?

 

[Consigliere]

Consigliere is now embarrassed. It's like getting an endorsement from Forrest Gump.

Didn't he buy Apple at like $5.00?

lieutenant dan did that for him.

So he trusted the right people. He trusted Bubba and it lead him to the Shrimp business.

Forrest Gump knew his own problems (i.e. retardation) that's why he surrounded himself with the right people.

Our Admin should take notes from Forrest Gump. When you can't do it, hire someone competent who can do it. Then you look like a genius for hiring that person.

well he also trusted jenny, and all she did was take advantage of him, get aids, die, and leave him with the kid who sees dead people.

If no Jenny then he would still be a virgin.

Remember that part where the two friends of Lt. Dan went back to the apartment ("she tasted like cigarettes"). You can tell he never closed before. Even with the bad *** the good.

 

[dookie blaylock]

Didn't he buy Apple at like $5.00?

lieutenant dan did that for him.

So he trusted the right people. He trusted Bubba and it lead him to the Shrimp business.

Forrest Gump knew his own problems (i.e. retardation) that's why he surrounded himself with the right people.

Our Admin should take notes from Forrest Gump. When you can't do it, hire someone competent who can do it. Then you look like a genius for hiring that person.

well he also trusted jenny, and all she did was take advantage of him, get aids, die, and leave him with the kid who sees dead people.

If no Jenny then he would still be a virgin.

Remember that part where the two friends of Lt. Dan went back to the apartment ("she tasted like cigarettes"). You can tell he never closed before. Even if the bad *** the good.

well i can't argue against that.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

If the university wants to do an updated feasibility study, then go for it.

That is very big of you.

Wow, and you're patronizing, too. Why don't you lead the study? You seem to know your way around Google Earth.

I am aware we have to lead the study. Did you see our AD's comments?

How long can you stay hard to the $350 Million Renovations?

So you don't think that SunLife needs renovations after 27 years? And the downside for the University of Miami is what exactly? Ross uses his funds to make the renovations and that's bad for Dade County and the University of Miami. Good lord.

 

[AntwanJ306]

Consigliere is dominating this topic.

Consigliere is now embarrassed. It's like getting an endorsement from Forrest Gump.

How does my ******* taste little doggy?

LMAO. What the ****. We all know you're a tactless piece of trash. No need to overwhelm the board with it.

Miami-Dade at its finest.

 

[Consigliere]

If the university wants to do an updated feasibility study, then go for it.

That is very big of you.

Wow, and you're patronizing, too. Why don't you lead the study? You seem to know your way around Google Earth.

I am aware we have to lead the study. Did you see our AD's comments?

How long can you stay hard to the $350 Million Renovations?

So you don't think that SunLife needs renovations after 27 years? And the downside for the University of Miami is what exactly? Ross uses his funds to make the renovations and that's bad for Dade County and the University of Miami. Good lord.

 

[Hegemon]

Consigliere is dominating this topic.

Consigliere is now embarrassed. It's like getting an endorsement from Forrest Gump.

How does my ******* taste little doggy?

LMAO. What the ****. We all know you're a tactless piece of trash. No need to overwhelm the board with it.

Miami-Dade at its finest.

We all?

You're the only one following me around like a dog in heat.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

That is very big of you.

Wow, and you're patronizing, too. Why don't you lead the study? You seem to know your way around Google Earth.

I am aware we have to lead the study. Did you see our AD's comments?

How long can you stay hard to the $350 Million Renovations?

So you don't think that SunLife needs renovations after 27 years? And the downside for the University of Miami is what exactly? Ross uses his funds to make the renovations and that's bad for Dade County and the University of Miami. Good lord.

And you...

 

[Consigliere]

Wow, and you're patronizing, too. Why don't you lead the study? You seem to know your way around Google Earth.

I am aware we have to lead the study. Did you see our AD's comments?

How long can you stay hard to the $350 Million Renovations?

So you don't think that SunLife needs renovations after 27 years? And the downside for the University of Miami is what exactly? Ross uses his funds to make the renovations and that's bad for Dade County and the University of Miami. Good lord.

And you...

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$350 Million in Renovations............

 

[Pentagon Cane]

Status of your stadium initiative.

 

[Consigliere]

Status of your stadium initiative.

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Hurricane Fan "insults" another Hurricane fan by rubbing it in that we're required to do the whole planning of a stadium.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

So you don't think that SunLife needs renovations after 27 years? And the downside for the University of Miami is what exactly? Ross uses his funds to make the renovations and that's bad for Dade County and the University of Miami. Good lord.

That stadium needed to go away. Any move that kept that regulating stadium intact for several more decades was a loss for the community. The fact that the Canes somehow ignored more than 20 years of evidence and attached themselves to that glorified neutral site is more than I can take. I started to respond to multiple posts in this thread but the topic in general is so infuriating I try to stay away.

Any simpleton can rationalize a patch. Sure a patch is technically an improvement. I can patch my 20 year old lawnmower with some new parts. No matter how many hundreds of millions we use to patch Sun Life it's still a bland design in an irrelevant location. It's an awful location for a pro franchise because there's no spice or animosity of a great city in that area. The opponent lands at the airport and then tries to restrain laughter while heading toward the middle of nowhere. Half of them think they are headed for the Calder barns to play the game. In our case it's not only pathetic it's more like a parody. Yeah, let's remove all pretense of a college atmosphere and play somewhere where we need to check our gas level before heading away from campus.

Keep in mind that the patchwork, regardless of cost, is hardly ideal. It's not an optimum roof or optimum seating arrangement. It's merely whatever will attach to an old flawed design that was never intended to include patches of that type. And make no mistake, there will be errors. Nothing can be fully anticipated.

I walked up the ramp last Saturday night in absolute hysterics that Stephen Ross insisted it will be the equivalent of a new stadium. That stadium is rotting and aging at the core. You can't mistake it for a new stadium unless you haven't visited anything built after 1995. It reminded me of Steve Jobs, early in his second tour, when he said that Apple OS 9 would be the equivalent of a new computer. Meanwhile, behind the scenes Apple was already dumping 9 in preparation for the truly exponential leap to OS X. Not that I'm comparing Ross to Jobs. The sad aspect is that Ross truly believes what he is saying. He has nothing behind the curtain. Instead of a visionary we have clods at every level.

I'm into my 50s and can't believe we managed to bungle so many decisions that it turned out this way. Shouldn't be possible. When I was a kid the Dolphins were the sharpest team in the league, grabbing Shula and Warfield for a comparative pittance. As weak as the Canes were, we had the Orange Bowl as a lingering trump card in case we ever became special. Somehow it all dissolved into Miami Gardens. And now I suppose we have rely on a contrived desperate patchwork somehow exchanging a neutral site into rousing home advantage, even though there's no historical example, at least none that I'm aware of.

Somebody in this thread claimed the '80s Canes made the Orange Bowl what it was. Talk about ignorance. The '70s Dolphins still hold the NFL record for longest home winning streak at 31. I attended those games as a kid. My dad got season tickets for the family beginning in 1972. Dad always had great instincts and timing. We occupied a venue that held the longest pro and college winning streaks yet brainstormed to rubble it. At least I did my part in writing letters to Dee and Shalala in 2007, detailing all the devastating specifics.

The best way to evaluate a home venue is relationship of home results to road results. By the time we departed for Sun Life it had established itself as a decisively below average home site for more than 20 years. I've detailed the numbers here and elsewhere. The Dolphins forfeited 2.5 points per game on average compared to their Orange Bowl years. That's a net comparison because it focuses on results in road games. The difference from home to road should be 5.5 points on average. In the Orange Bowl it was considerably higher while in Sun Life it's far lower. Looking at it that way you account for differences in eras so nobody can sloppily assert that the Dolphins were a better team overall in their Orange Bowl years than after they moved to Sun Life.

Here is a recent link from late 2013 that evaluates the same measure beginning in 2002, when the NFL's current franchise layout began once the Texans joined the league. You'll note Seattle and Baltimore at top -- the two most recent Super Bowl champs -- while Sun Life comfortably near the bottom: http://grantland.com/features/bill-barnwell-best-home-field-advantages/

 

[rex karz]

So you don't think that SunLife needs renovations after 27 years? And the downside for the University of Miami is what exactly? Ross uses his funds to make the renovations and that's bad for Dade County and the University of Miami. Good lord.

That stadium needed to go away. Any move that kept that regulating stadium intact for several more decades was a loss for the community. The fact that the Canes somehow ignored more than 20 years of evidence and attached themselves to that glorified neutral site is more than I can take. I started to respond to multiple posts in this thread but the topic in general is so infuriating I try to stay away.

Any simpleton can rationalize a patch. Sure a patch is technically an improvement. I can patch my 20 year old lawnmower with some new parts. No matter how many hundreds of millions we use to patch Sun Life it's still a bland design in an irrelevant location. It's an awful location for a pro franchise because there's no spice or animosity of a great city in that area. The opponent lands at the airport and then tries to restrain laughter while heading toward the middle of nowhere. Half of them think they are headed for the Calder barns to play the game. In our case it's not only pathetic it's more like a parody. Yeah, let's remove all pretense of a college atmosphere and play somewhere where we need to check our gas level before heading away from campus.

Keep in mind that the patchwork, regardless of cost, is hardly ideal. It's not an optimum roof or optimum seating arrangement. It's merely whatever will attach to an old flawed design that was never intended to include patches of that type. And make no mistake, there will be errors. Nothing can be fully anticipated.

I walked up the ramp last Saturday night in absolute hysterics that Stephen Ross insisted it will be the equivalent of a new stadium. That stadium is rotting and aging at the core. You can't mistake it for a new stadium unless you haven't visited anything built after 1995. It reminded me of Steve Jobs, early in his second tour, when he said that Apple OS 9 would be the equivalent of a new computer. Meanwhile, behind the scenes Apple was already dumping 9 in preparation for the truly exponential leap to OS X. Not that I'm comparing Ross to Jobs. The sad aspect is that Ross truly believes what he is saying. He has nothing behind the curtain. Instead of a visionary we have clods at every level.

I'm into my 50s and can't believe we managed to bungle so many decisions that it turned out this way. Shouldn't be possible. When I was a kid the Dolphins were the sharpest team in the league, grabbing Shula and Warfield for a comparative pittance. As weak as the Canes were, we had the Orange Bowl as a lingering trump card in case we ever became special. Somehow it all dissolved into Miami Gardens. And now I suppose we have rely on a contrived desperate patchwork somehow exchanging a neutral site into rousing home advantage, even though there's no historical example, at least none that I'm aware of.

Somebody in this thread claimed the '80s Canes made the Orange Bowl what it was. Talk about ignorance. The '70s Dolphins still hold the NFL record for longest home winning streak at 31. I attended those games as a kid. My dad got season tickets for the family beginning in 1972. Dad always had great instincts and timing. We occupied a venue that held the longest pro and college winning streaks yet brainstormed to rubble it. At least I did my part in writing letters to Dee and Shalala in 2007, detailing all the devastating specifics.

The best way to evaluate a home venue is relationship of home results to road results. By the time we departed for Sun Life it had established itself as a decisively below average home site for more than 20 years. I've detailed the numbers here and elsewhere. The Dolphins forfeited 2.5 points per game on average compared to their Orange Bowl years. That's a net comparison because it focuses on results in road games. The difference from home to road should be 5.5 points on average. In the Orange Bowl it was considerably higher while in Sun Life it's far lower. Looking at it that way you account for differences in eras so nobody can sloppily assert that the Dolphins were a better team overall in their Orange Bowl years than after they moved to Sun Life.

Here is a recent link from late 2013 that evaluates the same measure beginning in 2002, when the NFL's current franchise layout began once the Texans joined the league. You'll note Seattle and Baltimore at top -- the two most recent Super Bowl champs -- while Sun Life comfortably near the bottom: http://grantland.com/features/bill-barnwell-best-home-field-advantages/

Wrigley Field makes the Chicago Cubs a blast to watch...the field and the team are inextricably linked to themselves and the community....even though they are perennial losers. If they ever destroyed Wrigley Field the Cubs would simply be losers.....losers not worth going out of your way to see or bother with.

The Orange Bowl made Cane football fun to watch - including through all those supposedly miserable years in the 70's when we cursed and booed the endless conveyer belt of lousy HC's. It was always fun.

The Miami Hurricanes without the OB are now the Cubs without Wrigley.

Not having a home field is a huge, gigantic, massive hole in the ship.....I'm simply shocked how more don't get it and that every stone isn't being overturned to find a solution.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

So you don't think that SunLife needs renovations after 27 years? And the downside for the University of Miami is what exactly? Ross uses his funds to make the renovations and that's bad for Dade County and the University of Miami. Good lord.

That stadium needed to go away. Any move that kept that regulating stadium intact for several more decades was a loss for the community. The fact that the Canes somehow ignored more than 20 years of evidence and attached themselves to that glorified neutral site is more than I can take. I started to respond to multiple posts in this thread but the topic in general is so infuriating I try to stay away.

Any simpleton can rationalize a patch. Sure a patch is technically an improvement. I can patch my 20 year old lawnmower with some new parts. No matter how many hundreds of millions we use to patch Sun Life it's still a bland design in an irrelevant location. It's an awful location for a pro franchise because there's no spice or animosity of a great city in that area. The opponent lands at the airport and then tries to restrain laughter while heading toward the middle of nowhere. Half of them think they are headed for the Calder barns to play the game. In our case it's not only pathetic it's more like a parody. Yeah, let's remove all pretense of a college atmosphere and play somewhere where we need to check our gas level before heading away from campus.

Keep in mind that the patchwork, regardless of cost, is hardly ideal. It's not an optimum roof or optimum seating arrangement. It's merely whatever will attach to an old flawed design that was never intended to include patches of that type. And make no mistake, there will be errors. Nothing can be fully anticipated.

I walked up the ramp last Saturday night in absolute hysterics that Stephen Ross insisted it will be the equivalent of a new stadium. That stadium is rotting and aging at the core. You can't mistake it for a new stadium unless you haven't visited anything built after 1995. It reminded me of Steve Jobs, early in his second tour, when he said that Apple OS 9 would be the equivalent of a new computer. Meanwhile, behind the scenes Apple was already dumping 9 in preparation for the truly exponential leap to OS X. Not that I'm comparing Ross to Jobs. The sad aspect is that Ross truly believes what he is saying. He has nothing behind the curtain. Instead of a visionary we have clods at every level.

I'm into my 50s and can't believe we managed to bungle so many decisions that it turned out this way. Shouldn't be possible. When I was a kid the Dolphins were the sharpest team in the league, grabbing Shula and Warfield for a comparative pittance. As weak as the Canes were, we had the Orange Bowl as a lingering trump card in case we ever became special. Somehow it all dissolved into Miami Gardens. And now I suppose we have rely on a contrived desperate patchwork somehow exchanging a neutral site into rousing home advantage, even though there's no historical example, at least none that I'm aware of.

Somebody in this thread claimed the '80s Canes made the Orange Bowl what it was. Talk about ignorance. The '70s Dolphins still hold the NFL record for longest home winning streak at 31. I attended those games as a kid. My dad got season tickets for the family beginning in 1972. Dad always had great instincts and timing. We occupied a venue that held the longest pro and college winning streaks yet brainstormed to rubble it. At least I did my part in writing letters to Dee and Shalala in 2007, detailing all the devastating specifics.

The best way to evaluate a home venue is relationship of home results to road results. By the time we departed for Sun Life it had established itself as a decisively below average home site for more than 20 years. I've detailed the numbers here and elsewhere. The Dolphins forfeited 2.5 points per game on average compared to their Orange Bowl years. That's a net comparison because it focuses on results in road games. The difference from home to road should be 5.5 points on average. In the Orange Bowl it was considerably higher while in Sun Life it's far lower. Looking at it that way you account for differences in eras so nobody can sloppily assert that the Dolphins were a better team overall in their Orange Bowl years than after they moved to Sun Life.

Here is a recent link from late 2013 that evaluates the same measure beginning in 2002, when the NFL's current franchise layout began once the Texans joined the league. You'll note Seattle and Baltimore at top -- the two most recent Super Bowl champs -- while Sun Life comfortably near the bottom: http://grantland.com/features/bill-barnwell-best-home-field-advantages/

I hear you. Chicago renovated Soldier Field. Green Bay renovated Lambeau Field. D1 schools are renovating their stadiums. Look at Doak Campbell. You ever been to Carter Stadium in Ft. Worth? I went to game against New Mexico in the early 90s and it was a dump. It's a darn nice facility. TCU spent about $150 million on the upgrades. All I know is there aren't a lot options right now so why not leverage Ross's investment?

 

[tokengator]

The stadium upgrades are lipstick on a pig. A soccer style roof, some adjustments to the video boards and their location, taking several rows (few thousand seats) off the top and putting them down on the field in front of the current seating structure does absolutely nothing. I can't imagine how awful the viewing is going to be for new rows at the bottom.

meanwhile, 95% of the stadium is going to be far as **** from the field, like it is now, and be part of one of the most vanilla football viewing experiences in the country. All news stadiums make a concerted effort in their design to stack people on top the field. It is why most of these new stadium are scary steep, but at least you are close enough to the action you can smell the fresh cut grass, even in the club seating areas.

NFL is a very corporate atmosphere. Sure there is some drunk silliness but for the most part the NFL has priced a lot of that out of the stadium and it is just a neutered entertainment venue with distraction after distraction (video board silliness, things like pools or clubs, etc), sanitized music pumped through the speakers, and whatever else the NFL deems acceptable to keep the people busy and entertained throughout the experience.

College separates itself with its passion and the atmosphere with much more of an authentic experience. It is why colleges to this day still have bleacher style seating. You are there for the game and the game only. It is more of a party. The atmosphere with all the pageantry, bands, generally very close to the stadium, the reduced corporate influence, less skyboxes which gives off less of a whine and cheese feel. College football games are a true experience and this is all created by the atmosphere. The game is the game and the NFL "game" is of much better quality but the game experience for college games is infinitely better. I've taken a few non-southerners and non-florida people to UF games. These are people from the northeast and NFL fans, not big college fans. All of them were absolutely blown away by the experience. Nothing they have ever encountered in their NFL-centric world in the northeast. All of this is lost at Dolphin stadium. It takes the vanilla NFL experience and neuters it even more. It is almost impossible to capture the authenticity and experience you get from college games. The orange bowl certainly had it. The stadium being on top of the field and intimate played a major role in that. Miami and the fans are losing out on a lot by not having the authentic college game day atmosphere. Sure you guys get to drink beer at games and have some nice amenities but I would personally trade all of that to be on top of the players and have the "feel" other college stadiums have. It can be done. If Tulane can build a stadium in a city with substantially less available real estate than Miami then Miami can do it. It takes a will, it will take some ingenuity, and it takes driven leaders to get it done.