Our Glorious Athletic Director

[dk72]

I have seen past quotes from ADs about the stadium issue and the fact that they've researched the options and found nothing that turned out to be feasible. To think that the athletic department hasn't is just asinine.

OMG, he saw quotes. That is enough. Lock the thread.

If they have done research then good on them, but any dummy would know to mention that while doing an interview and not make yourself look like a passive buffoon that's just waiting on a knight in white shining armor to come and hand you a stadium.

They have mentioned it in the past. That's EXACTLY why James made the snarky comment about waiting for someone to bring them one. The question about the stadium keeps getting recycled despite the fact that UM has already commented about looking into it and not finding any viable option, as if somehow something magically changed since then. Hence, the only option left is to wait for that knight in shining armor to bring us a stadium. In fact, the administration jumped right into the conversation when the MLS stadium was being discussed, because that was the first new, even semi-viable possibility to arise in years.

If he's said it before then I stand corrected. I have no problem admitting I am wrong.

Appreciate it.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

Yes it strikes me as well. We're constantly solicited for projects that the school deems worthy. That is the key, it comes from the school. They determine the projects and priorities. They come up with the plans. How about the school leading for once? How about the school (if the answer is NO) releasing the studies proving it can't be done and allowing us to critique it? How about the school releasing the studies of what they need?

Remember the school has done all these "studies" let's see them.

Right...you're solicited by the university AFTER they have conducted feasibility studies, found that it's feasible, contacted big-name donors to raise start-up funds for vendors/contractors, lined up the necessary permits, put forth a design concept, etc, etc, etc.

The university doesn't contact alumni or send out a PR announcement to the gen public until they've got all their ducks in a row. They don't alert you of stuff that isn't feasibly going to happen.

How about the school releasing the study so we can critique it?

When's the last time they released a feasibility study of anything--any building or reno on campus--to the gen public? It's simply not done. That's not the way these things go.

Would you agree that many people (alumni and fans) talk about the stadium endlessly?

Side note: When in Rome is not a defense to the counter-argument.

Yes I would agree that many people talk about the stadium endlessly.

As noted, the UM admin has previously made statements that they have studied various ventures. They have made the public aware that they have not yet found anything viable that would be better than our current situation at SLS. They made the public aware that they were exploring options with David Beckham, but as has been noted on this forum, those explorations have thus far proven fruitless.

 

[dk72]

Right...you're solicited by the university AFTER they have conducted feasibility studies, found that it's feasible, contacted big-name donors to raise start-up funds for vendors/contractors, lined up the necessary permits, put forth a design concept, etc, etc, etc.

The university doesn't contact alumni or send out a PR announcement to the gen public until they've got all their ducks in a row. They don't alert you of stuff that isn't feasibly going to happen.

How about the school releasing the study so we can critique it?

When's the last time they released a feasibility study of anything--any building or reno on campus--to the gen public? It's simply not done. That's not the way these things go.

Would you agree that many people (alumni and fans) talk about the stadium endlessly?

Side note: When in Rome is not a defense to the counter-argument.

Yes I would agree that many people talk about the stadium endlessly.

As noted, the UM admin has previously made statements that they have studied various ventures. They have made the public aware that they have not yet found anything viable that would be better than our current situation at SLS. They made the public aware that they were exploring options with David Beckham, but as has been noted on this forum, those explorations have thus far proven fruitless.

They won't be happy until the AD and President comes to their house and brings the paperwork with them and explains every thing they'd done. Even then, they'll continue to deride the administration for supposedly not doing their job regarding a new stadium simply because they don't like the answer.

 

[MGreen26]

the problem with a land lease is that the city still has the leverage and they'll still gouge. we need their cooperation more than they need ours. they could just lease us enough land for the stadium itself, but keep the controlling interest of the parking lots, which are a huge revenue generator (which is a reason why the orange bowl lease sucked so bad for us). they could (and should if they are smart) also charge a percentage of our annual revenue per terms of the lease, then collect city tax revenue on top of that. if we buy the land, we only have to pay the tax to them. they're not going to give us a lease for some negligible amount because the park is still popular with the public. if you're going to put together a capital campaign for a stadium, you play for keeps.

This makes no sense. If the school agrees to build, it has all the leverage. It won't build and fund the project if the terms aren't right. Tropical park makes no money right now other than Sandra's enchanted. The stadium would go where the current football field there is. High schools could still use it (that would be incredible for recruiting). Miami would get all the rake for 7 games a year. The city would get all the money for every other event. There is only upside on that deal on both ends. How again would the city have leverage to say no to that? If the terms aren't right um would say pound sand find someone else to build a facility u can use to hold events and make a pile of money.

go look at a map and try to find an undeveloped 100 acre piece of land that's less than 1 mile from a highway, all within 15 miles of campus. you can't. that's the city's leverage.

parks are public works and a sunk cost, so it's not like tropical park is designed to be a source of revenue. how much should we lease the land for? if it's anything less than $1 million/year (which would be very low), why would the city even take a sniff?

city to hold events? if someone is putting an event together and wants an outdoor venue, why would they go to our stadium when sun life (which will be overhauled by then) has 30% more capacity and easier access to the broward market? does the city have to train its own staff to run the building or are they going to pay the stadium management company to do that?

we have zero leverage because we have zero other options. we need their land, they don't need our stadium.

Your logic is scary. Right now the land makes them zero. Sunlife is a huge venue. Do you know how attractive a new more intimate stadium would be for concerts especially Latin artists given the location? The city can spend no money and have a money maker? Hmmmmm. Tough decision there. Or it can sit on the land and generate nothing.

if the solution was that simple, don't you think the city would have done something by now? they already have marine stadium that they do nothing with that was a unique, intimate concert venue, but it still sits there collecting dust despite people wanting to buy it and do something with it. tropical park is not some empty lot in the middle of nowhere. it's a public works installation in the middle of the city and is built to lose money in exchange for public benefit.

You have not refuted a single point. You just say it can't be done. It is not simple by any stretch, but nobody has offered to build a marquee facility at tropical w no cost to the city. The facility would only add to the public benefit and take nothing away. Shops and restaurants around the area would flourish to. But man that would take hard work so the school should throw its hands up. Marine stadium is a completely different venue and does not even deserve a reply.

 

[Consigliere]

Right...you're solicited by the university AFTER they have conducted feasibility studies, found that it's feasible, contacted big-name donors to raise start-up funds for vendors/contractors, lined up the necessary permits, put forth a design concept, etc, etc, etc.

The university doesn't contact alumni or send out a PR announcement to the gen public until they've got all their ducks in a row. They don't alert you of stuff that isn't feasibly going to happen.

How about the school releasing the study so we can critique it?

When's the last time they released a feasibility study of anything--any building or reno on campus--to the gen public? It's simply not done. That's not the way these things go.

Would you agree that many people (alumni and fans) talk about the stadium endlessly?

Side note: When in Rome is not a defense to the counter-argument.

Yes I would agree that many people talk about the stadium endlessly.

As noted, the UM admin has previously made statements that they have studied various ventures. They have made the public aware that they have not yet found anything viable that would be better than our current situation at SLS. They made the public aware that they were exploring options with David Beckham, but as has been noted on this forum, those explorations have thus far proven fruitless.

Not sure you're aware these statement have no merit or credibility without the study behind it. Technically CIS studied the stadium issue yesterday with everyone posting back and forth about it. That doesn't make it an accurate study.

Hence release the study and let us critique it. A study is a vague word. Let us review all these studies. Remember they already exist. It shouldn't be that much trouble to release them and shut everyone up.

 

[AntwanJ306]

But man that would take hard work so the school should throw its hands up.

The "school" has raised $3 billion while skyrocketing the academic rating. GTFOH with "that would take hard work".

 

[AntwanJ306]

Hence release the study and let us critique it.

Because the CEOs on the BOT are probably afraid of looking dumb after the brain trust around here picks the study apart. Can't have them losing job security because of future congressmen and doctors like Hegemon and rokulika.

 

[Consigliere]

How about the school releasing the study so we can critique it?

When's the last time they released a feasibility study of anything--any building or reno on campus--to the gen public? It's simply not done. That's not the way these things go.

Would you agree that many people (alumni and fans) talk about the stadium endlessly?

Side note: When in Rome is not a defense to the counter-argument.

Yes I would agree that many people talk about the stadium endlessly.

As noted, the UM admin has previously made statements that they have studied various ventures. They have made the public aware that they have not yet found anything viable that would be better than our current situation at SLS. They made the public aware that they were exploring options with David Beckham, but as has been noted on this forum, those explorations have thus far proven fruitless.

They won't be happy until the AD and President comes to their house and brings the paperwork with them and explains every thing they'd done. Even then, they'll continue to deride the administration for supposedly not doing their job regarding a new stadium simply because they don't like the answer.

They can simply load a PDF of the study on to the miami.edu site. I don't need a personal visit. It really is simple.

Given the Admin's track record towards athletics I tend to distrust them or at least distrust their ability to study the problem.

 

[dk72]

When's the last time they released a feasibility study of anything--any building or reno on campus--to the gen public? It's simply not done. That's not the way these things go.

Would you agree that many people (alumni and fans) talk about the stadium endlessly?

Side note: When in Rome is not a defense to the counter-argument.

Yes I would agree that many people talk about the stadium endlessly.

As noted, the UM admin has previously made statements that they have studied various ventures. They have made the public aware that they have not yet found anything viable that would be better than our current situation at SLS. They made the public aware that they were exploring options with David Beckham, but as has been noted on this forum, those explorations have thus far proven fruitless.

They won't be happy until the AD and President comes to their house and brings the paperwork with them and explains every thing they'd done. Even then, they'll continue to deride the administration for supposedly not doing their job regarding a new stadium simply because they don't like the answer.

They can simply load a PDF of the study on to the miami.edu site. I don't need a personal visit. It really is simple.

Given the Admin's track record towards athletics I tend to distrust them or at least distrust their ability to study the problem.

There is simply no reason for, nor is it even a good idea, for a private institution to be releasing internal documents because a bunch of whiny fans want to dictate how the university is run and want to pretend they even understand the issues.

 

[TheUuuuu]

@OmarKelly: "If someone want to build us a stadium that holds 40,000 people & wants to put it close to our campus we'll definitely be listening," James

@OmarKelly: "If there's a better spot for the Hurricanes I'm all ears and we'll definitely listen," Blake James told @JoeRoseShow on stadium issue.



Can we have a bigger worthless, vision-less piece of garbage running our athletic department?

Shalala is leaving and this clown is 1B right after her.

Purge the trash.

Golden will lose enough games this year to GTFOH.

What would you do if you were the AD? Please, enlighten us.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

How about the school releasing the study so we can critique it?

When's the last time they released a feasibility study of anything--any building or reno on campus--to the gen public? It's simply not done. That's not the way these things go.

Would you agree that many people (alumni and fans) talk about the stadium endlessly?

Side note: When in Rome is not a defense to the counter-argument.

Yes I would agree that many people talk about the stadium endlessly.

As noted, the UM admin has previously made statements that they have studied various ventures. They have made the public aware that they have not yet found anything viable that would be better than our current situation at SLS. They made the public aware that they were exploring options with David Beckham, but as has been noted on this forum, those explorations have thus far proven fruitless.

Not sure you're aware these statement have no merit or credibility without the study behind it. Technically CIS studied the stadium issue yesterday with everyone posting back and forth about it. That doesn't make it an accurate study.

Hence release the study and let us critique it. A study is a vague word. Let us review all these studies. Remember they already exist. It shouldn't be that much trouble to release them and shut everyone up.

If you want access to the study, join the BOT or the study committee. Simple as that.

Otherwise, no business or corporation makes a practice of releasing feasibility studies for public consumption. It's just not done. So stop whining about it.

 

[Consigliere]

Would you agree that many people (alumni and fans) talk about the stadium endlessly?

Side note: When in Rome is not a defense to the counter-argument.

Yes I would agree that many people talk about the stadium endlessly.

As noted, the UM admin has previously made statements that they have studied various ventures. They have made the public aware that they have not yet found anything viable that would be better than our current situation at SLS. They made the public aware that they were exploring options with David Beckham, but as has been noted on this forum, those explorations have thus far proven fruitless.

They won't be happy until the AD and President comes to their house and brings the paperwork with them and explains every thing they'd done. Even then, they'll continue to deride the administration for supposedly not doing their job regarding a new stadium simply because they don't like the answer.

They can simply load a PDF of the study on to the miami.edu site. I don't need a personal visit. It really is simple.

Given the Admin's track record towards athletics I tend to distrust them or at least distrust their ability to study the problem.

There is simply no reason for, nor is it even a good idea, for a private institution to be releasing internal documents because a bunch of whiny fans want to dictate how the university is run and want to pretend they even understand the issues.

Then there is simply no reason for us to trust said private institution given their prior actions, comments, decisions and track record regarding athletics.

Very truly yours,

lameasses

hypocrites

whinny fans

 

[canesstevealum08]

If the university was able to acquire land and profit somewhat from non football events , they'd make it happen. Additionally, money is only asked of donors after feasibility studies. Often the first donation announced is not the first one that was made,

what don't you understand about my post cosig? Also, yes the land expense and local politics is a huge issue.

 

[Consigliere]

When's the last time they released a feasibility study of anything--any building or reno on campus--to the gen public? It's simply not done. That's not the way these things go.

Would you agree that many people (alumni and fans) talk about the stadium endlessly?

Side note: When in Rome is not a defense to the counter-argument.

Yes I would agree that many people talk about the stadium endlessly.

As noted, the UM admin has previously made statements that they have studied various ventures. They have made the public aware that they have not yet found anything viable that would be better than our current situation at SLS. They made the public aware that they were exploring options with David Beckham, but as has been noted on this forum, those explorations have thus far proven fruitless.

Not sure you're aware these statement have no merit or credibility without the study behind it. Technically CIS studied the stadium issue yesterday with everyone posting back and forth about it. That doesn't make it an accurate study.

Hence release the study and let us critique it. A study is a vague word. Let us review all these studies. Remember they already exist. It shouldn't be that much trouble to release them and shut everyone up.

If you want access to the study, join the BOT or the study committee. Simple as that.

Otherwise, no business or corporation makes a practice of releasing feasibility studies for public consumption. It's just not done. So stop whining about it.

Come on man, let us whine in peace.

Side note, it's hard to access what may not exist.

 

[Consigliere]

what don't you understand about my post cosig? Also, yes the land expense and local politics is a huge issue.

No one is denying the amount difficulties involved. That doesn't mean it can't be done.

 

[canesstevealum08]

I absolutely think it can be done but I think the biggest fear is the not knowing what to do outside of football season with the lack of foresight from the University

 

[Hegemon]

Consigliere is dominating this topic.

 

[dookie blaylock]

This makes no sense. If the school agrees to build, it has all the leverage. It won't build and fund the project if the terms aren't right. Tropical park makes no money right now other than Sandra's enchanted. The stadium would go where the current football field there is. High schools could still use it (that would be incredible for recruiting). Miami would get all the rake for 7 games a year. The city would get all the money for every other event. There is only upside on that deal on both ends. How again would the city have leverage to say no to that? If the terms aren't right um would say pound sand find someone else to build a facility u can use to hold events and make a pile of money.

go look at a map and try to find an undeveloped 100 acre piece of land that's less than 1 mile from a highway, all within 15 miles of campus. you can't. that's the city's leverage.

parks are public works and a sunk cost, so it's not like tropical park is designed to be a source of revenue. how much should we lease the land for? if it's anything less than $1 million/year (which would be very low), why would the city even take a sniff?

city to hold events? if someone is putting an event together and wants an outdoor venue, why would they go to our stadium when sun life (which will be overhauled by then) has 30% more capacity and easier access to the broward market? does the city have to train its own staff to run the building or are they going to pay the stadium management company to do that?

we have zero leverage because we have zero other options. we need their land, they don't need our stadium.

Your logic is scary. Right now the land makes them zero. Sunlife is a huge venue. Do you know how attractive a new more intimate stadium would be for concerts especially Latin artists given the location? The city can spend no money and have a money maker? Hmmmmm. Tough decision there. Or it can sit on the land and generate nothing.

if the solution was that simple, don't you think the city would have done something by now? they already have marine stadium that they do nothing with that was a unique, intimate concert venue, but it still sits there collecting dust despite people wanting to buy it and do something with it. tropical park is not some empty lot in the middle of nowhere. it's a public works installation in the middle of the city and is built to lose money in exchange for public benefit.

You have not refuted a single point. You just say it can't be done. It is not simple by any stretch, but nobody has offered to build a marquee facility at tropical w no cost to the city. The facility would only add to the public benefit and take nothing away. Shops and restaurants around the area would flourish to. But man that would take hard work so the school should throw its hands up. Marine stadium is a completely different venue and does not even deserve a reply.

i'm not saying that it can't be done, because it can. it would take massive effort and collaboration between the university, a lobbying body, and the city, but it's possible. the biggest thing is ensuring that we don't get bent over by another crappy lease, which we are apt to do as proven by the orange bowl deal and the current sun life one. we need our own stadium, no question about it, but we have to be smart and have it on our terms. if we could get a favorable land lease, then by all means, yes. if we can catch the city at a bad time for them and buy a chunk of the park at a favorable price, that's even better.

 

[AntwanJ306]

Consigliere is dominating this topic.

Consigliere is now embarrassed. It's like getting an endorsement from Forrest Gump.

 

[Consigliere]

Consigliere is dominating this topic.

Consigliere is now embarrassed. It's like getting an endorsement from Forrest Gump.

Didn't he buy Apple at like $5.00?