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OT/ Which of these Miami greats would you vote for to make 2022 NFL HOF class?

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Wayne is most likely next but will have to compete with a very viable Torry Holt, who's career numbers aren't quite as good but has been eligible longer. Dre is an interesting one. He could go the Calvin Johnson route as the most dominant receiver for a span of his career with no rings (and pretty far down on the career TD's list), or, more likely IMO, he could wait.

Hester is in without question, but it's probably gonna be awhile. I still think Wilfork gets in. It's just hard as an NT that doesn't rack up massive stat sacks. But all those rings and being the anchor of the most dominant program in the NFL will help. Biggest problem he faces is you've got Peppers, Ware, Suggs and Allen all top-12 in all-time sacks and all not in.

I don't think most of this happens quickly. We've seen a lot of first-ballot eligible players getting in recently, which makes it more difficult for the guys who aren't sure-fire HOF'ers.
 
Rellyrell said:
Vince will, but it’s going to be a while. The dirty work guys get overlooked so often: FB, OL, NT, TEs. Imo I think he gets in, but it’s going to be a while.

Wayne needs to get in b/c he has the #’s & accolades

Dre, gets in. He was a monster & considered one of the best WR for like a 10 yr stretch, playing w/ NO QB. But he’s going to have to wait probably a couple of yrs.

Hester should be the first full time specialist to get in. He revolutionized the position & changed the NFL kick offs b/c it was way too easy for him. A true weapon where teams had rather give The Bears great field position than to kick it to him. NFL needs to change their mindset on this one.
*Still made he didn’t get a ring in ‘06, but happy Wayne got one in place.
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The sack numbers just aren't there...I know he was a NT and all, but there will also be a number of DTs getting in from "his" era, probably moreso than other eras and I think it leaves him out.

Aaron Donald, Kevin Williams, Ndamukong Suh, Geno Atkins are, IMO the guys that should be in. Ridiculous sack numbers from the position. I, personally, think Gerald McCoy should get in...

But then you get to contemporaries like Haloti Ngata, Fletcher Cox that should be in line before him.

Its just a long road for Vince, IMO. Only 16 career sacks is going to be tough in an era where you've got guys going in with over 60.

Maybe much much later, but he's got a long wait if so, IMO.
 
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BoxingRobes said:
The sack numbers just aren't there...I know he was a NT and all, but there will also be a number of DTs getting in from "his" era, probably moreso than other eras and I think it leaves him out.

Aaron Donald, Kevin Williams, Ndamukong Suh, Geno Atkins are, IMO the guys that should be in. Ridiculous sack numbers from the position. I, personally, think Gerald McCoy should get in...

But then you get to contemporaries like Haloti Ngata, Fletcher Cox that should be in line before him.

Its just a long road for Vince, IMO. Only 16 career sacks is going to be tough in an era where you've got guys going in with over 60.

Maybe much much later, but he's got a long wait if so, IMO.
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The aforementioned guys are DTs. DTs & NTs r two different beast. Not too many NTs around nowadays. His primary responsibility was to be a str8 escort for LBs & clog lanes up. That’s y it’s hard to evaluate NTs b/c their #’s aren’t ****. He’s not asked to shed & attack; he was asked to hold & clog. But the guy has been to the PB 5x w/ 4 All Pro Nods. And he collected 17 TOs in the process including 3 ints (which may be a record for his position). For a NT to be recognized w/ that many pro bowl nods says something. 13 yr career w/ 5 pro bowl nods at the NT position & 2 rings? I think he gets in, but maybe 10 yrs from now.
 
Rellyrell said:
Let me be more specific; I’m not referring to punters or place kickers. I’m referring to a guy who returns punts & kicks.
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Thing is, it's important that Guy got in, because he did pave the way for a "specialist" to get in, regardless of the specialization.

Regardless, zero question in my mind Hester gets in. Dude was the most dangerous player in football for 3-4 years.

Separately, I've been wondering if any school put guys into the Hall in three consecutive years in the modern era.
 
Rellyrell said:
The aforementioned guys are DTs. DTs & NTs r two different beast. Not too many NTs around nowadays. His primary responsibility was to be a str8 escort for LBs & clog lanes up. That’s y it’s hard to evaluate NTs b/c their #’s aren’t ****. He’s not asked to shed & attack; he was asked to hold & clog. But the guy has been to the PB 5x w/ 4 All Pro Nods. And he collected 17 TOs in the process including 3 ints (which may be a record for his position). For a NT to be recognized w/ that many pro bowl nods says something. 13 yr career w/ 5 pro bowl nods at the NT position & 2 rings? I think he gets in, but maybe 10 yrs from now.
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Brother, his resume is very similar to Ted Washington, and Ted Washington has twice as many sacks as he Big Vince. Chester McGlockton has a similar result in regards to AP/PB and has over 3x as many sacks. Neither guy is likely getting into the Hall of Fame. A similar low sack nose tackle with a similar resume, Fred Smerlas, isn't in.

Listen man, I love'em. And if he gets in, we celebrating.

I just don't see it. Maybe I'm wrong, but if you look at who is in the HoF from the DT/NT spot, Vince doesn't fit. He'd be unique.

I think the guy that gets in from that Patriots DL during those championship teams is Richard Seymour. It don't think it'll be both. IMO, Calais has more of a chance to get in to the Hall of Fame than Vince.
 
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caneinorlando said:
Wayne
Hester
Dre
Vince
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IMO Dre > Wayne on merits unless it’s the SB. Andre was 3x first team all pro to 1x for wayne, more pro bowls, led league in receiving 2x to 2x for wayne. comparable yards. worse everything around him.

IMO Both receivers 1a/1b, then Vince (best NT of his era and multiple SBs but low stats).

Hester last. ST guys don’t make it.
 
CashMoneyCane said:
Thing is, it's important that Guy got in, because he did pave the way for a "specialist" to get in, regardless of the specialization.

Regardless, zero question in my mind Hester gets in. Dude was the most dangerous player in football for 3-4 years.

Separately, I've been wondering if any school put guys into the Hall in three consecutive years in the modern era.
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Last part of ur statement is something that’s also been on my mind. But u r correct about Guy; took way too long for him to get in, though.
 
Rellyrell said:
Last part of ur statement is something that’s also been on my mind. But u r correct about Guy; took way too long for him to get in, though.
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It's interesting because obviously you have to start with a program that has several Hall of Famers. A place that can't produce talent, like say... the gator, definitely doesn't have a shot.

If anyone, my guess would be USC or ND (but prior to like 1960ish). But I seriously doubt it's ever happened and simultaneously don't want to do the research.
 
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BoxingRobes said:
Brother, his resume is very similar to Ted Washington, and Ted Washington has twice as many sacks as he Big Vince. Chester McGlockton has a similar result in regards to AP/PB and has over 3x as many sacks. Neither guy is likely getting into the Hall of Fame. A similar low sack nose tackle with a similar resume, Fred Smerlas, isn't in.

Listen man, I love'em. And if he gets in, we celebrating.

I just don't see it. Maybe I'm wrong, but if you look at who is in the HoF from the DT/NT spot, Vince doesn't fit. He'd be unique.

I think the guy that gets in from that Patriots DL during those championship teams is Richard Seymour. It don't think it'll be both. IMO, Calais has more of a chance to get in to the Hall of Fame than Vince.
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Love me some Big Ted; those couple of yrs we had him in Chicago was fun. Allowed Urlacher to just roam free like a wild horse. To me, Vince has a bit more complete resume than Big Ted. He has more accolades; but it’s true Ted has more sacks.


It’ll be interesting for sure, to see how it pans out. Seymour should get in, imo. Dude was a menace. Campbell & Wilfork might fall into the hall of very good. What Campbell got going for him is that he’s a super lovable guy by the media, & he has solid stats.
 
Ethnicsands said:
IMO Dre > Wayne on merits unless it’s the SB. Andre was 3x first team all pro to 1x for wayne, more pro bowls, led league in receiving 2x to 2x for wayne. comparable yards. worse everything around him.

IMO Both receivers 1a/1b, then Vince (best NT of his era and multiple SBs but low stats).

Hester last. ST guys don’t make it.
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Jan Stenerud is in as a FG Kicker....Why shouldn't Hester??
 
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IMO, Andre Johnson should be at the top of this list. There was a little while that he was THE best receiver in the NFL even while playing with bum quarterbacks. Anyone who was the best at his position for multiple years should be a lock to me.

Reggie Wayne will get in but the comparison to Tory Holt was spot on. A super productive receiver in a very pass happy offense who was always good but never the best.

Devin Hester is the GOAT return man. But has anyone ever made the HOF as a return man? If anybody deserves enshrinement based solely on returns, it’s Hester. But these voters get kind of iffy on special teams players and Hester really didn’t do anything else besides return kicks in his career.

If Vince didn’t play for the Patriots, he probably wouldn’t get in. Not because he doesn’t deserve it but voters are enamored with stats and nose tackles don’t usually put up numbers. But he’s won multiple Superbowls and has been one of the league’s most personable “good guys” his entire career. I think the intangibles outweigh the lack of statistics.

They’re all deserving
 
Ethnicsands said:
Hester never kicked a field goal?

In all seriousness, Stenarud retired top 10 all time in points scored.
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Anytime a player has their particular Sport change their Rule/s....(see Bob Hayes/Prevent Defense)...then that tells you pretty much all you need to know....It literally means...."Your *** was so good"...that it was only fair to the entire League, for us to calm your uncontrollable *** down....
 
caneinorlando said:
Anytime a player has their particular Sport change their Rule/s....(see Bob Hayes/Prevent Defense)...then that tells you pretty much all you need to know....It literally means...."Your *** was so good"...that it was only fair to the entire League, for us to calm your uncontrollable *** down....
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I hope he makes it. There just is no precedence for a returner making it.
 
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