Ot: tom herman is no savage

[caneaddict]

Kaaya and Herman should've pulled hammies week 3

 

[nystateofmind]

Anyone thinking Herman is some kind of program savior is wrong

[MENTION=6948]407cane[/MENTION] in January 2014: "We are so lucky to have Al Golden"

Oh so no defense for the coach you guys are all slobbing over now?

Cool

It was a bad loss.

Doesn't change the fact that Herman is legit.

Richt had a bad loss to VT

Doesn't mean he isn't legit

Richt had some of the best talent in the country at his disposal when he was at Georgia and he last won a Conference Title there in 2005.

 

[407cane]

[MENTION=6948]407cane[/MENTION] in January 2014: "We are so lucky to have Al Golden"

Oh so no defense for the coach you guys are all slobbing over now?

Cool

It was a bad loss.

Doesn't change the fact that Herman is legit.

Richt had a bad loss to VT

Doesn't mean he isn't legit

Richt had some of the best talent in the country at his disposal when he was at Georgia and he last won a Conference Title there in 2005.

Coincidently the last time he was calling plays

 

[Reshon52ap]

What part of "Herman is a lame duck" sounded inconclusive? Do you have a reason for why he choked away the season with the same roster?

Being a lame duck, even if you're using the term incorrectly, isn't an excuse for not having your team prepared. Dudes were in position for a playoff spot, but you somehow think the kids gave up? And that it isn't the fault of the coach? Weird.

He's approaching the end of his tenure at Houston. That's exactly the definition of a political lame duck.

You've still not said why you think the season has gone the way it has.

The term has a negative connotation because that exiting political figure has no power. That's why you're using it incorrectly. Houston's coach hasn't reached a term limit.

The season has gone the way it has because Hermann has marginal talent and he's not the genius that everyone thinks he is.

His offense put up 40 vs navy & thats while commiting stupid turnovers, defensee couldnt get stops, today was the first time his offense actually struggled

 

[KrazyCane]

[MENTION=6948]407cane[/MENTION] in January 2014: "We are so lucky to have Al Golden"

Oh so no defense for the coach you guys are all slobbing over now?

Cool

It was a bad loss.

Doesn't change the fact that Herman is legit.

Richt had a bad loss to VT

Doesn't mean he isn't legit

Richt had some of the best talent in the country at his disposal when he was at Georgia and he last won a Conference Title there in 2005.

Miami has had some of the best talent in the country during that time period as well and never won the Coastal. Lol see I told you, you are embarrassing yourself smh

 

[Dghustla]

What part of "Herman is a lame duck" sounded inconclusive? Do you have a reason for why he choked away the season with the same roster?

Being a lame duck, even if you're using the term incorrectly, isn't an excuse for not having your team prepared. Dudes were in position for a playoff spot, but you somehow think the kids gave up? And that it isn't the fault of the coach? Weird.

He's approaching the end of his tenure at Houston. That's exactly the definition of a political lame duck.

You've still not said why you think the season has gone the way it has.

The term has a negative connotation because that exiting political figure has no power. That's why you're using it incorrectly. Houston's coach hasn't reached a term limit.

The season has gone the way it has because Hermann has marginal talent and he's not the genius that everyone thinks he is.

Pretty much this. Herman has said that he feels with talent base around Houston that it can be a big time program. Herman signed a new 5 year deal in 12/15 and The univeristy recently said they were going to extend his contract.

That's the polar opposite of a lame duck. He's a good coach but ppl need to chill.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

Would still take Herman in a heartbeat. His team destroyed FSU last year.

 

[KrazyCane]

Would still take Herman in a heartbeat. His team destroyed FSU last year.

His team was also destroyed by SMU

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

Herman is a super Al Golden. Couple of good years and he's the next big coach (you forget Al Golden was super hyped too) . If he'd come here and struggled, everyone would have crushed the administration for hiring a guy who was a flash in the pan. If Butch had been hired and struggled, it's because the game had passed him by and he was never that good to begin with if you look at his actual record. ****, if we'd hired Saban and he didn't turn this team around in year one, porsters would say that Saban can't win without SEC bagmen and was a bad hire for our program. Richt ain't Saban, but he has a much longer track record of success than Herman and hasn't been in the coaching booth and out of the recruiting game for the last six years. I am shocked that offense is such a problem this year but Richt has enough credibility that he gets at least until next year before I declare him to be a bad hire (doesn't have to win a championship next year, but he should at least manage to win the coastal and beat FSU). My personal ranking for our coaching hire (if we had to do it again) : 1. Fedora 2. Richt 3. Les Miles (with a good OC!) 4. Doc Holliday (Marshall) 5. Charlie Strong 6/7 Fuente or Herman (basically same kind of coaches to me without extensive record of success ) 100. Butch Davis - he had his chance, he blew it. No take backs.

 

[Canedude08]

Also, give Chad Morris some love.

That guy is a good coach. He'll get a bigger job in a few years.

Chad Morris and Tom Herman are practically the same coach, just that Herman took his first job with a better program. Remember, Houston was winning 6-7 games under Tony Levine, who inherited the program from Sumlin, who in turn had gotten his shot after Art Briles left for Baylor. They've had some legit hires over there in Houston over the last decade and change. That said, I can't help but laugh at the idiots that look at Herman's last month as some kind of indictment, forgetting that we have **** near two seasons of material on the guy, and he's shown early on that he's legit. Can he fail at his next stop? Of course he can, that's true of any coach not named Nick Saban or Urban Meyer. Even Meyer was a question mark when he took the UF job, a lot of people didn't think he would be able to do what he did in the SEC.

Urban Meyer just lost to James Franklin, does that make him a bum? Only an idiot would look at a couple of games, and then make snap judgments on a coach, or any leader.

 

[Canedude08]

Herman is a super Al Golden. Couple of good years and he's the next big coach (you forget Al Golden was super hyped too) . If he'd come here and struggled, everyone would have crushed the administration for hiring a guy who was a flash in the pan. If Butch had been hired and struggled, it's because the game had passed him by and he was never that good to begin with if you look at his actual record. ****, if we'd hired Saban and he didn't turn this team around in year one, porsters would say that Saban can't win without SEC bagmen and was a bad hire for our program. Richt ain't Saban, but he has a much longer track record of success than Herman and hasn't been in the coaching booth and out of the recruiting game for the last six years. I am shocked that offense is such a problem this year but Richt has enough credibility that he gets at least until next year before I declare him to be a bad hire (doesn't have to win a championship next year, but he should at least manage to win the coastal and beat FSU). My personal ranking for our coaching hire (if we had to do it again) : 1. Fedora 2. Richt 3. Les Miles (with a good OC!) 4. Doc Holliday (Marshall) 5. Charlie Strong 6/7 Fuente or Herman (basically same kind of coaches to me without extensive record of success ) 100. Butch Davis - he had his chance, he blew it. No take backs.

Herman beat more ranked teams last season than Golden did in his entire Temple tenure. Remember, the Cougs beat Florida State in the bowl game, they also beat OU in the season opener this year. Herman gets his "Midmajor" team up for those big games, against name opponents, and that's why people are salivating at the thought of him coaching at a school with legit resources, and recruiting chops. You can have some nice runs at Houston, but that school isn't where you want to be for the long haul. That's why Sumlin and Briles left.

 

[Handsome Squidbum]

Herman is a super Al Golden. Couple of good years and he's the next big coach (you forget Al Golden was super hyped too) . If he'd come here and struggled, everyone would have crushed the administration for hiring a guy who was a flash in the pan. If Butch had been hired and struggled, it's because the game had passed him by and he was never that good to begin with if you look at his actual record. ****, if we'd hired Saban and he didn't turn this team around in year one, porsters would say that Saban can't win without SEC bagmen and was a bad hire for our program. Richt ain't Saban, but he has a much longer track record of success than Herman and hasn't been in the coaching booth and out of the recruiting game for the last six years. I am shocked that offense is such a problem this year but Richt has enough credibility that he gets at least until next year before I declare him to be a bad hire (doesn't have to win a championship next year, but he should at least manage to win the coastal and beat FSU). My personal ranking for our coaching hire (if we had to do it again) : 1. Fedora 2. Richt 3. Les Miles (with a good OC!) 4. Doc Holliday (Marshall) 5. Charlie Strong 6/7 Fuente or Herman (basically same kind of coaches to me without extensive record of success ) 100. Butch Davis - he had his chance, he blew it. No take backs.

Herman beat more ranked teams last season than Golden did in his entire Temple tenure. Remember, the Cougs beat Florida State in the bowl game, they also beat OU in the season opener this year. Herman gets his "Midmajor" team up for those big games, against name opponents, and that's why people are salivating at the thought of him coaching at a school with legit resources, and recruiting chops. You can have some nice runs at Houston, but that school isn't where you want to be for the long haul. That's why Sumlin and Briles left.

He beat a FSU team that I believe had lost its motivation when it landed in the Peach Bowl. See it all the time in bowl Season where a disappointed team mails it in. He beat an average Oklahoma team first game of season. Whoopy doo. Al golden beat Oklahoma too. Houston has orders of magnitude better talent than Navy and got worked. Houston also has far better talent than SMU and lost by a greater margin to them than we did to VT (who is closer talent wise to us than SMU is to Houston). Underperforming with better talent - we've seen that story before.

 

[Reshon52ap]

Also, give Chad Morris some love.

That guy is a good coach. He'll get a bigger job in a few years.

Chad Morris and Tom Herman are practically the same coach, just that Herman took his first job with a better program. Remember, Houston was winning 6-7 games under Tony Levine, who inherited the program from Sumlin, who in turn had gotten his shot after Art Briles left for Baylor. They've had some legit hires over there in Houston over the last decade and change. That said, I can't help but laugh at the idiots that look at Herman's last month as some kind of indictment, forgetting that we have **** near two seasons of material on the guy, and he's shown early on that he's legit. Can he fail at his next stop? Of course he can, that's true of any coach not named Nick Saban or Urban Meyer. Even Meyer was a question mark when he took the UF job, a lot of people didn't think he would be able to do what he did in the SEC.

Urban Meyer just lost to James Franklin, does that make him a bum? Only an idiot would look at a couple of games, and then make snap judgments on a coach, or any leader.

The offense which is his side of the ball put up 40 on navy they loss cause of bad defense today was the only time he looked bad in 2 years but everyone want to say he not a good coach

 

[Coach Macho]

Do people realize that he coaches at Houston?

HOUSTON.



He's the only reason yall even watch that school play football. SMH @ trying to discredit that dude.

 

[Gsugradcanefan]

Since the B12 decided not to expand Herman got his sights on that Texas job coming open at the end of the season.

 

[Canedude08]

Herman is a super Al Golden. Couple of good years and he's the next big coach (you forget Al Golden was super hyped too) . If he'd come here and struggled, everyone would have crushed the administration for hiring a guy who was a flash in the pan. If Butch had been hired and struggled, it's because the game had passed him by and he was never that good to begin with if you look at his actual record. ****, if we'd hired Saban and he didn't turn this team around in year one, porsters would say that Saban can't win without SEC bagmen and was a bad hire for our program. Richt ain't Saban, but he has a much longer track record of success than Herman and hasn't been in the coaching booth and out of the recruiting game for the last six years. I am shocked that offense is such a problem this year but Richt has enough credibility that he gets at least until next year before I declare him to be a bad hire (doesn't have to win a championship next year, but he should at least manage to win the coastal and beat FSU). My personal ranking for our coaching hire (if we had to do it again) : 1. Fedora 2. Richt 3. Les Miles (with a good OC!) 4. Doc Holliday (Marshall) 5. Charlie Strong 6/7 Fuente or Herman (basically same kind of coaches to me without extensive record of success ) 100. Butch Davis - he had his chance, he blew it. No take backs.

Herman beat more ranked teams last season than Golden did in his entire Temple tenure. Remember, the Cougs beat Florida State in the bowl game, they also beat OU in the season opener this year. Herman gets his "Midmajor" team up for those big games, against name opponents, and that's why people are salivating at the thought of him coaching at a school with legit resources, and recruiting chops. You can have some nice runs at Houston, but that school isn't where you want to be for the long haul. That's why Sumlin and Briles left.

He beat a FSU team that I believe had lost its motivation when it landed in the Peach Bowl. See it all the time in bowl Season where a disappointed team mails it in. He beat an average Oklahoma team first game of season. Whoopy doo. Al golden beat Oklahoma too. Houston has orders of magnitude better talent than Navy and got worked. Houston also has far better talent than SMU and lost by a greater margin to them than we did to VT (who is closer talent wise to us than SMU is to Houston). Underperforming with better talent - we've seen that story before.

Let's see, Meyer lost to Penn State tonight. PENN STATE. Penn State was .500, and yet Meyer's team blew a two score second half lead. Things happen, and it happens to **** near every coach. Houston's defense is struggling, but let's stop pretending that the last year and a half of Houston football was some smoke and mirrors show. Never mind his work as an assistant, it's obvious to anyone with two working eyes that Herman is legit, and is a good bet to find success at his next stop. Remember, Jimmy Johnson got worked a ton while at Okie State, what's your point?

 

[cane since birth]

LOL yall trolls are dumb as **** LMAO

 

[Canedude08]

Do people realize that he coaches at Houston?

HOUSTON.



He's the only reason yall even watch that school play football. SMH @ trying to discredit that dude.

I get what you're saying, and to an extent you are right, but let's not overstate the situation he stepped into at UH. UH wasn't SMU when June Jones took over, UH was a solid program that was underachieving after promoting from within following Sumlin's departure. Remember, Sumlin came in after Briles left, and Briles was the person that started the turnaround after the Dana Dimel/Kim Helton disasters(As a old coach, you know where Miami comes in when it comes to UH). Houston was on the right track, they just needed a person with chops, and Tony Levine wasn't it. Herman came in and maximized the talent on the roster immediately, and that's why he looked so good in year one. That said, Levine's crappy recruiting will eventually catch up with Herman, and you are starting to see that, they have a lot of JAGs on defense, and while Todd Orlando is a decent DC, he has been unable to mask all of their problems on that side of the ball.

 

[MIATL]

I've always liked Chad Morris. I think in a couple years he will move on to a bigger program and won't disappoint.

With his ties to the ACC, from being at Clemson, I thought he was the better fit for Miami over Herman.

But I think Morris is even more committed to staying in Texas, so he would have definitely bolted for Texas, TAMU, or Baylor the moment one of those jobs opened. I'd probably add Oklahoma to that mix.

 

[QuattroCane]

Herman is a good coach, but no one can defend these two losses.
This is like Miami losing to Duke and then FAU.