OT: The Last Dance

Bruh what other player do ppl comb through they career and Nickpic moments in a career like they do Bron..**** wild. But down the stretch in 17 I do a agree Lebron deferred to kyrie In that game 3. Kyrie had it cooking. Dwn one late Lebron tried set kyrie up with a switch to get Klay off Kyrie and get curry switched on to him..but for whatever kyrie waved off the JR screen and went 1vs1 vs Klay and took a fadeaway 3..i remember watching JR reaction when kyrie waved him off “like bruh wtf u doing” I think they was down 2 Or 1 at that time. Then he set up korver for a wide open contested corner 3 That would’ve put them up like 6 or 7 and he missed also And KD has it cooking that game..**** you can kill your health by nicpickin every moment and theorizing rather or not player X was using PEDS😭

2011 Mavs series, Dirk showed what you had to do while Ms James and Ms Wade we’re making fun of Dirk being sick then Lebron is so butthurt afterthe series he’s go to the classic “my life is better than yours”
 
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2011 Mavs series, Dirk showed what you had to do while Ms James and Ms Wade we’re making fun of Dirk being sick then Lebron is so butthurt afterthe series he’s go to the classic “my life is better than yours”
Lmao **** a series from almost 10 year ago🤣🤣..if that’s how interpreted the question and his answer..okay...and his life did turn out to be pretty **** good tho🤷🏾‍♂️
 
Lmao **** a series from almost 10 year ago🤣🤣..if that’s how interpreted the question and his answer..okay...and his life did turn out to be pretty **** good tho🤷🏾‍♂️

Ok getting swept against GSW that much more recent? Missing the playoffs last year after “going playoff mode” is that more recent?

And yes when an athlete resorts to “my life is better” then you know they just ****ed up in someway
 
Bruh what other player do ppl comb through they career and Nickpic moments in a career like they do Bron..**** wild. But down the stretch in 17 I do a agree Lebron deferred to kyrie In that game 3. Kyrie had it cooking. Dwn one late Lebron tried set kyrie up with a switch to get Klay off Kyrie and get curry switched on to him..but for whatever kyrie waved off the JR screen and went 1vs1 vs Klay and took a fadeaway 3..i remember watching JR reaction when kyrie waved him off “like bruh wtf u doing” I think they was down 2 Or 1 at that time. Then he set up korver for a wide open contested corner 3 That would’ve put them up like 6 or 7 and he missed also And KD has it cooking that game..**** you can kill your health by nicpickin every moment and theorizing rather or not player X was using PEDS😭

Not nitpicking; but when u claim to be The GOAT, as he did, u open urself up to scrutiny. No other player has self anointed themselves as the GOAT like LBJ did. This is not the first or 2nd or 30th time LBJ disappeared in crucial 4th qtr moments when teams were making runs. We can go to the Orlando series in 09 or the SA series in 14, or the GSW series in 15.

I mean, LBJ is the best SF in the history of the game, imo. I’ve seen Bird, Pip, G Hill live. I’ve examined Big O, Barry, and G Gervin’s careers....and I can confidently say LBJ is the best 3 in NBA history, in my view. I have him top 5 of all time, but I’m not putting LBJ over Kobe, and I’m definitely not calling him GOAT b/c he defers & hides when pressure is on. He sulks and becomes disengaged when things are not going his way, and that’s part of his disappearing acts. It happens way to often.
 
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Ok getting swept against GSW that much more recent? Missing the playoffs last year after “going playoff mode” is that more recent?

And yes when an athlete resorts to “my life is better” then you know they just ****ed up in someway
Lol not even what Lebron said. He answered the question he was asked. And the question was how does he feel about his haters who love to see him fail. He said for the next few days they can enjoy this but sooner than later they have to wake up to reality and live their lives, I’ll continue to live my mine and continue to do what make me and my family happy..pull the clip. Now if interpreted his answer into him saying his life is better then yours, for one that’s correct lol..but seriously if that’s what u got out that..then ****..as far as the cavs getting swept by the histories most talented team assembled, yea that happened. Him coming off injury down the stretch of last year and not being able to put the lakers in the playoffs after they fell apart in his absence abd others due to injury, yeah that happened too
 
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He let KD drain a 3 in his face last two minutes I believe

And of course Lebron puts up stats, he has the hall 90% of the time and plays in an offensive system that benefits him especially in Cleveland.

Why does Kobe have eerily similar stats to Jordan albeit way less efficiency? Coincidence they played in a similar system?

KD came down w like 40 secs to play after grabbing the rebound and pulled up on LBJ b/c his hands were down. He scored every single point w/in that 1:17 second period to give GSW the lead and win.
 
Lol not even what Lebron said. He answered the question he was asked. And the question was how does he feel about his haters who love to see him fail. He said for the next few days they can enjoy this but sooner than later they have to wake up to reality and live their lives, I’ll continue to live my mine and continue to do what make me and my family happy..pull the clip. Now if interpreted his answer into him saying his life is better then yours, for one that’s correct lol..but seriously if that’s what u got out that..then ****..as far as the cavs getting swept by the histories most talented team assembled, yea that happened. Him coming off injury down the stretch of last year and not being able to put the lakers in the playoffs after they fell apart in his absence abd others due to injury, yeah that happened too

You mean that same GSW team that could have lost to Rockets? That one?

Lebron was barely the 8th seed last year before he got hurt, but ok Lakers were on a tear!
 
Not nitpicking; but when u claim to be The GOAT, as he did, u open urself up to scrutiny. No other player has self anointed themselves as the GOAT like LBJ did. This is not the first or 2nd or 30th time LBJ disappeared in crucial 4th qtr moments when teams where making runs. We can go to the Orlando series in 09 or the SA series in 14, or the GSW series in 15.

I mean, LBJ is the best SF in the history of the game, imo. I’ve seen Bird, Pip, G Hill live. I’ve examined Big O, Barry, and G Gervin’s careers....and I can confidently say LBJ is the best 3 in NBA history, in my view. I have him top 5 of all time, but I’m not putting LBJ over Kobe, and I’m definitely not calling him GOAT b/c he defers & hides when pressure is on. He sulks and becomes disengaged when things are not going his way, and that’s part of his disappearing acts. It happens way to often.
Thats fair..but bruh it is nicpicking. You can look at all the top 10 players and find moments where they came up short or didn’t get it done..MJ vs the magic when he got stripped then threw the ball away. Magic dribbled out the clock. Bird consecutive 8 pt games in the finals. Kobe vs the pistons and suns..you can do it for everyone. That’s my only point. But your view is fair. LbJ said after 16 coming back from 3-1 against 73-9 dubs made home the goat. Then them mofos went out and said Hold my beer and added KD🤣🤣..but yeah if your thing is he said he the goat then u wanna see him go out and take down that squad or whatever else **** I have no problem with that thinking..it’s the ppl who talking about the man was taking PEDS that crazy lol
 
You mean that same GSW team that could have lost to Rockets? That one?

Lebron was barely the 8th seed last year before he got hurt, but ok Lakers were on a tear!
They didn’t lose to the rockets..rockets was the only team that matched up with the warriors because their style of play...and the lakers were 20-12 in the west after Christmas Day when they beaT GS and Lebrons got hurt..they wasn’t no **** 8 seed. Then McGee went down, rondo and Lonzo..but if you want to harp on that then don’t wear yourself out my guy
 
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They didn’t lose to the rockets..rockets was the only team that matched up with the warriors because their style of play...and the lakers were 20-12 in the west after Christmas Day when they beaT GS and Lebrons got hurt..they wasn’t no **** 8 seed. Then McGee went down, rondo and Lonzo..but if you want to harp on that then don’t wear yourself out my guy

Lebron came back Jan 31 with the team being 26-25

Lakers with Lebron out were 7-11

They were 19-14 when Lebron got hurt against the Warriors when they were down big and the backups and scrubs came back and beat them

Didn’t know Lebron couldn’t get over that
 
First on a serious note..MJ was not a great 3 pt shooter even in his era..so if he came in today’s game and tried to be a volume 3pt shooter, the results would likely be westbrook or wade like
Lmao..so you think MJ is a better scorer then KD..by 25 points in this era? That’s the question..MJs games is nothing at all like harden..he wouldn’t be doing the **** harden does..MJ was midrange, mid post, get to basketball get fouled/finish and a dribble pull-up scorer..he was never the offensive ignitiator at any point like harden. MJs most effective years was playing in the triangle without the ball.. so for all these ppl who think he could be dropped in today’s game and ave 50, when the guy played in the 80s when scoring was higher and pace of play was higher (athleticism wasn’t as good as it is today across the board and he ave 35 and 37 career highs) Then today..I ask what’s the formula for 90s MJ to get 50?? Who’s system is he putting up 35 plus FGAs in?? Dantoni? Are u guys just saying MJ would automatically become a better 3 pt shooter and therefore be a efficient volume 3pt scorer?? Are we just pretending like Defenses are gonna let MJ play 1v1 on the wing like the rules in the 90s allowed?..James harden avg 35 on 26 shots per night...or are ppl who believe Jordan would ave 50 just saying outrageous bs


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First, there were several good 3-point shooters that simply did not take the number of 3-point shots that are taken today.

Larry Bird was a great 3-point shooter. Now, you can say "he's only ranked 148th in all-time NBA 3-point shooting percentage". True. But there are only 8 Hall of Famers ahead of him. And there are a few guys ahead of him who WILL be Hall of Famers, but we are still talking about the fact that over 125 guys ahead of him are more like 3-point specialists.

Bird shot .3758 from 3-point range for his career. But look at his contemporaries.

Ainge shot .378
Dumars shot .3819
Stockton shot .3836
Mullin shot .3834
Reggie Miller shot .3947
D3 Scott shot .3967
Ray Allen shot .4002
Even the GOAT, Steve Kerr, shot .454

For his career, Bird averaged UNDER 2 three-point attempts per game, and made under 1 per game. In his BEST year, he averaged 3.3 attempts per game.

And the reason I cite Bird is because he was a person who did NOT have the athleticism of Jordan, so you would naturally think that he could have benefitted from taking more 3 point shots, yet the NBA was not built that way back then. But to think that Bird COULD NOT have hit more 3s in today's game is just nuts, his percentage was fantastic and he could have benefitted from getting more attempts within the flow of today's game.

So then you move on to Jordan, and HIS 3-point percentage for his career was .327 (after two bad years in Washington). So he's not that far off from Bird in terms of percentage, and he averaged fewer attempts and makes per game than Bird did.

Again, the NBA game just wasn't set up then the way it is now. A lot of great shooters from the 90s and earliers may well have cranked up their 3 point percentage out of sheer practice-makes-perfect. Do you honestly believe that shooters are sooooo much better today? Look at the Top 150 3-point shooters (by percentage) and the list is full of recent role-players who simply take a ton of shots without rebounding, assisting, or scoring close to the basket.

The NBA of the 80s and 90s was full of talented big men, and the game went through the post. It was a very physical game. But there are a lot of guys from that era who could also thrive in today's spacing game where the centers absolutely suck.
 
Lebron came back Jan 31 with the team being 26-25

Lakers with Lebron out were 7-11

They were 19-14 when Lebron got hurt against the Warriors when they were down big and the backups and scrubs came back and beat them

Didn’t know Lebron couldn’t get over that
like I said before..it wasn’t just Lebron who got hurt and missed time..josh hart got hurt, McGee and rondo were out for weeks. Lonzo was out for weeks, kuzma was out for weeks. The whole team got hit with injuries and they never bounced back
 
Thats fair..but bruh it is nicpicking. You can look at all the top 10 players and find moments where they came up short or didn’t get it done..MJ vs the magic when he got stripped then threw the ball away. Magic dribbled out the clock. Bird consecutive 8 pt games in the finals. Kobe vs the pistons and suns..you can do it for everyone. That’s my only point. But your view is fair. LbJ said after 16 coming back from 3-1 against 73-9 dubs made home the goat. Then them mofos went out and said Hold my beer and added KD🤣🤣..but yeah if your thing is he said he the goat then u wanna see him go out and take down that squad or whatever else **** I have no problem with that thinking..it’s the ppl who talking about the man was taking PEDS that crazy lol

Ppl hate on LBJ b/c of 2010’s “decision.” We’ve been accustomed to seeing iconic stars staying w one team, beating their rivals; not teaming up with them. Lol Yeah, Boston did it w KG and Pierce, and Sweet Baby Ray, but those dude were older into their careers and looking to chase a ring, which they accomplished to cap off their careers. Plus, let’s be honest, none of those mofos are in the same stratosphere in terms of any superstar in NBA history, and certainly not LeBron. To me, I’m all about competition. KD is even worst in my eyes b/c he went to the same team that kicked his ***! Lol. At least I can reason w LBJ that he was friends w Bosh, and Wade prior to. KD wasn’t kicking it w Steph, Klay, or Draymond. Lol. That’s by far the biggest bytch move in sports history, imo.

Anyways.......

LeBron is a great, great player. Just like teams r still looking for the next Sean Taylor, teams are looking for the next LBJ, and in both instance, it’ll probably be another 100 yrs to find either. But like I said, the moment you say, not others, but YOU say u’re the GOAT, brother, u bets be ready to have ur entire portfolio examined and scrutinized. However, the fact that it’s even a debate is a testament to his basketball acumen and greatness in its own right.
 
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Use paragraph breaks.

First, there were several good 3-point shooters that simply did not take the number of 3-point shots that are taken today.

Larry Bird was a great 3-point shooter. Now, you can say "he's only ranked 148th in all-time NBA 3-point shooting percentage". True. But there are only 8 Hall of Famers ahead of him. And there are a few guys ahead of him who WILL be Hall of Famers, but we are still talking about the fact that over 125 guys ahead of him are more like 3-point specialists.

Bird shot .3758 from 3-point range for his career. But look at his contemporaries.

Ainge shot .378
Dumars shot .3819
Stockton shot .3836
Mullin shot .3834
Reggie Miller shot .3947
D3 Scott shot .3967
Ray Allen shot .4002
Even the GOAT, Steve Kerr, shot .454

For his career, Bird averaged UNDER 2 three-point attempts per game, and made under 1 per game. In his BEST year, he averaged 3.3 attempts per game.

And the reason I cite Bird is because he was a person who did NOT have the athleticism of Jordan, so you would naturally think that he could have benefitted from taking more 3 point shots, yet the NBA was not built that way back then. But to think that Bird COULD NOT have hit more 3s in today's game is just nuts, his percentage was fantastic and he could have benefitted from getting more attempts within the flow of today's game.

So then you move on to Jordan, and HIS 3-point percentage for his career was .327 (after two bad years in Washington). So he's not that far off from Bird in terms of percentage, and he averaged fewer attempts and makes per game than Bird did.

Again, the NBA game just wasn't set up then the way it is now. A lot of great shooters from the 90s and earliers may well have cranked up their 3 point percentage out of sheer practice-makes-perfect. Do you honestly believe that shooters are sooooo much better today? Look at the Top 150 3-point shooters (by percentage) and the list is full of recent role-players who simply take a ton of shots without rebounding, assisting, or scoring close to the basket.

The NBA of the 80s and 90s was full of talented big men, and the game went through the post. It was a very physical game. But there are a lot of guys from that era who could also thrive in today's spacing game where the centers absolutely suck.
Who tf said Larry bird wouldn’t hit 3s in today’s game???
 
Ppl hate on LBJ b/c of 2010’s “decision.” We’ve been accustomed to seeing iconic stars staying w one team, beating their rivals; not teaming up with them. Lol Yeah, Boston did it w KG and Pierce, and Sweet Baby Ray, but those dude were older into their careers and looking to chase a ring, which they accomplished to cap off their careers. Plus, let’s be honest, none of those mofos are not on the same stratosphere in terms of any superstar in NBA history, and certainly not LeBron. To me, I’m all about competition. KD is even worst in my eyes b/c he went to the same team that kicked his ***! Lol. At least I can reason w LBJ that he was friends w Bosh, and Wade prior to. KD wasn’t kicking it w Steph, Klay, or Draymond. Lol. That’s by far the biggest bytch move in sports history, imo.

Anyways.......

LeBron is a great, great player. Just like teams r still looking for the next Sean Taylor, teams are looking for the next LBJ, and in both instance, it’ll probably be another 100 yrs to find either. But like I said, the moment you say, not others, but YOU say u’re the GOAT, brother, u bets be ready to have ur entire portfolio examined and scrutinized. However, the fact that it’s even a debate is a testament to his basketball acumen and greatness in its own right.
Greats was getting traded and paired with other greats long before the big 3 C’s..but I agree with your conclusion. Bruh this debate never gonna go away until the next young bull comes through
 
I blame Reinsdorf more than Krauss. Krauss as a GM and front office executive was exceptional at his job. A more competent owner would've been able to keep his ego in check.


We can all say this, but...

Phil approached Reinsdorf (when he was coaching the Lakers) and said he wanted to bury the hatchet with Krause. It was Krause who refused.

I'm not sure how Reinsdorf can FORCE Krause to do something.

And, look, I can't stand Krause. But imagine if Reinsdorf had fired Krause, the guy who put EVERY PLAYER (*except for Michael*) on that team, including Phil.

Krause put that team together, but his ego wouldn't allow him to maintain it or keep it going.

However, I will say that if Krause had been allowed to trade Pippen to the Celtics in 97, and he got Mercer and McGrady in the draft...good lord, MJ may have played another 6 years and Krause might be viewed as the greatest GM of all time.
 
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Who tf said Larry bird wouldn’t hit 3s in today’s game???


I'm addressing the points where people think that the great low-volume 3-point shooters of the 80s and 90s wouldn't be able to hit a higher percentage in the current spacing game.
 
I'm addressing the points where people think that the great low-volume 3-point shooters of the 80s and 90s wouldn't be able to hit a higher percentage in the current spacing game.
Noooo that’s not the point i was making. Most of those u named were great catch n shoot guys n any era..my point was in terms of a great scorer who would be a defenses focal point to contain in MJ. When ppl say Mj would ave 50 in today’s game they usually reference floor space, pace, prevalence of 3pt shooting aand hand checking (I’m sure many don’t understand what hand checking was but I digress) as to why.

my point is MJ was never a great 3pt shooter in his era when it wasn’t prevalent and a lot of those shot really were t all that contested because most defenses where geared to stop paint drives. Today that’s not the case especially for great scorers. Ppl like to say “well look at harden and the numbers he gets with his 3s” but majority of James 3s are heavily contested or of the step back varieties..MJ is too efficient of a player to fall in love with that game imo..if u put MJ in today’s game it would mirror that of KD in terms of where he’d be on the court. He’d be a wing off the ball, deadly in the midrange, deadly getting to the basket, deadly in fast break situations..he’d probably take the occasional open 3 but if he’s closed out on hard he most like gonna put it on the floor in favor of taking a contested 3..I don’t see Mj becoming this high volume 3point Shooter at all
 
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