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The only autographed baseball I own is from Hank Aaron. And my bulldog is named Hank. After Hank Jr. Not Hank Aaron but thought I'd share anyway.
That's not in dispute. He is for me a top 5 all time player. But his lack of "greatest that come to mind" value is the result of that consistency.
Lots of people have one MVP award (which is what he has). What they don't have is 7 top-3s.
Yeah. Even his homers didn't wow. Reggie Jackson's did, or Stargell's, etc. But they struck out a billion times. And hit very few doubles, and never walked, and were mediocre defensively.So basically ur saying Hank is the home run version or Tony Gwen, consistent slugger but nothing that wow’d.
I didn’t have a chance to watch him, only his highlights, and his highlights always featured the ball going out of the park. I still feel if he wasn’t a different nationality, he would be celebrated more. Jmo.
Yeah. Even his homers didn't wow. Reggie Jackson's did, or Stargell's, etc. But they struck out a billion times. And hit very few doubles, and never walked, and were mediocre defensively.
Aaron made 21 all-star games (all but his first and last seasons). He was excellent forever. I have him
1. Ruth
2. Mays
3. Williams
4. Aaron
5. Mantle/Musial
FalseHe was a baseball legend from a time before performance enhancing drugs.
3 mvps before it. And should have been 4.I Loved Aaron...but im a HUGE Bonds fan....about 15yrs ago, Gammons had a conversation with Maddox, Glavine & Smoltz, and during the convo he asked them who was the best they ever faced, and without hesitation all said Bonds, immediately the steroid factor came up...and all 3 scoffed at it...All of them agreed that steroids do not help Hand, Eye coordination...and keep in mind, Bonds was hitting balls into the Upper deck of 3 Rivers, way before the Steroid stories came up...
Unfortunately the steroid stuff will haunt Bonds forever...But he Won 2 MVPs before that stuff....
This is valid. Homer totals were lower in ‘60s-‘70s.47 was huge for the time. Other factors already discussed. Saw an article on Marino and they said his 5,000 yard season would be the equivalent to 7500 yards/season in today's game.
Too many variables just have to enjoy what they do at the time they are playing.
Bonds is the best player i ever watched and as a Pirates fan I loved him. From day 1 playing centerfield, batting lead off, to the next year with Bonilla and then moving to left when Van Slyke was added. No question in my mind that Bonds is one of the 5-10 best ever, without steroids.I Loved Aaron...but im a HUGE Bonds fan....about 15yrs ago, Gammons had a conversation with Maddox, Glavine & Smoltz, and during the convo he asked them who was the best they ever faced, and without hesitation all said Bonds, immediately the steroid factor came up...and all 3 scoffed at it...All of them agreed that steroids do not help Hand, Eye coordination...and keep in mind, Bonds was hitting balls into the Upper deck of 3 Rivers, way before the Steroid stories came up...
Unfortunately the steroid stuff will haunt Bonds forever...But he Won 2 MVPs before that stuff....
Bonds is the best player i ever watched and as a Pirates fan I loved him. From day 1 playing centerfield, batting lead off, to the next year with Bonilla and then moving to left when Van Slyke was added. No question in my mind that Bonds is one of the 5-10 best ever, without steroids.
But I don’t think he is the home run champ without steroids.
Mantle at #5....Never....Did what he did playing at 70% his entire career is insanity....Absolutely OWNED the World Series....Yeah. Even his homers didn't wow. Reggie Jackson's did, or Stargell's, etc. But they struck out a billion times. And hit very few doubles, and never walked, and were mediocre defensively.
Aaron made 21 all-star games (all but his first and last seasons). He was excellent forever. I have him
1. Ruth
2. Mays
3. Williams
4. Aaron
5. Mantle/Musial
Plenty. Roids went both ways, pitchers and hitters.Bonds needs more credit. He was juiced, but how many jacks did he hit off pitchers that were on the “ Cream” as well?
The goat is the guy who hit more home runs than the average homes runs PER TEAM that year - and that is Ruth.3 mvps before it. And should have been 4.
he’s easily the goat.
you can measure it your way I guess. The purpose of the game isn’t home runs in isolation. Ruth was amazing and clearly No. 2 all time. He didn’t play against the athletes bonds did. Not integrated, etc. And that aside, on the pure statistics, bonds had the best seasin ever and prolly 2 of the top 3.The goat is the guy who hit more home runs than the average homes runs PER TEAM that year - and that is Ruth.
The Dimaggio stat of more HRs than Ks is crazy though.