OT: Mass Shooting at Douglas High School

[Calinative]

No that is called sweeping a problem under the rug to hide the root cause rather than addressing the problem behind it.

1) How are you going to make it impossible for a HS student to obtain a gun?


Well it's been shown that other countries have violent crime issues, just not necessarily gun related so it


No, that is called sweeping a problem under the rug without actually addressing the root cause of it. It's amazing we've had guns in this country for years but this mass shooting phenomenon has only really manifested the last 20 years or so.

Lets dissect this:

In Florida you need to be 18 to buy a weapon, this kid was already 19 (generally he'd be aged out of high school). What law would you put on the books to prevent him from buying a gun? He's a legal adult, high schoolers already can't legally own guns here unless they are of age.

Lets say you ban guns in totality. How does that address why this kid wanted to do what he did? What's stopping him from sitting in the school parking lot and running down kids with his car? Or creating a bomb? Or **** poisoning the drinking water at the school or a littany of other ****ed up scenarios?

We've banned drugs and alcohol in this country, has that made it impossible to acquire them? We've banned murder, do people not do that anymore?

Nothing you've proposed has done anything to address the actual issues at hand. You just want to sit around and yell and cuss at people without applying a single shred of critical thinking to anything on here. Grow the **** up.

How about raising the age to legally buy a gun to lets say the age you must be to ******* rent a car (25), or buy alcohol (21) at the very least? How about setting up a system similar to how people can even drive and apply that to gun ownership... Is that so crazy? That you need to have a permit to own a gun, that requires you to have taken a gun safety test and to pass backround check/mental fitness test or something. ...It probably is a problem to you because your a right wing gun nut that knows **** well you probably wouldn't be able to pass the tests that could possibly be required to owning a gun.

But your only argument is thats "sweeping it under the rug". That is the stupidest thing you've said yet. no, thats not, thats saving ******* lives you dip****. and just so you fully understand because apparently it needs to be explained to you like a 2 year old, Im not saying to ban guns entirely, and I'm also not saying that JUST by banning guns it will eradicate the ******* problem. I'm saying:

Step 1. Get it out of the hands of people that will do this kind of ****.
Step 2. Fix the problem so people dont want to do this in the first place.

Like **** man, this is what people like you just don't get. At the VERY LEAST taking guns away from people that shouldn't be allowed to have them will reduce the amount of INNOCENT people killed that shouldn't be. This isn't about taking your guns away and getting rid of the 2nd amendment, this is about controlling something thats main ******* purpose it to kill others. Thats what the **** the majority of these guns are for. Most people aren't using god **** hunting rifles to commit mass murder. Cars' main purpose isn't to kill others - its for ******* transportation, theres a reason tanks aren't seen rolling around on the street. Knives main purpose isn't to kill others - its for cutting your ******* steak and theres hunting knives which are for hunting obviously which is perfectly fine. Drugs main purpose isn't to kill others. Guns like a pistol or an AR-15, or Assault Rifles or any military weapon has the primary purpose of KILLING PEOPLE. People aren't going to schools or movie theaters or concerts to commit mass murder with a ******* hunting bow or knife. So at the very least you are saving lives.

This really shouldn't even be something anyone disagrees with. Should a mentally unstable person or someone who isn't even allowed to ******* buy a beer or rent a car in this country be allowed to buy a gun or not? This is a very simple question to ask with only one possible answer - NO.

 

[frostycane]

This guy did what I’ve always feared. ( I’m a facility manager at a local elementary and am on the crisis team). Get in and pull the fire alarm, and then start shooting. There’s no lock down procedure for that. No ALICE training. The only real way to protect ourselves from this is trying to begin to minimize the ease and amount of automatic/ semi automatic weapons out there. Get rid of extended magazines, create a registration process, and employ people to enforce the laws you do make. If it was me I’d eliminate all assault weapons to the public. And extended mags for hand guns. I’d also put an annual purchase maximum for how many guns you can buy without triggering an investigation. We could be using technology much better in this country to track guns and we just don’t do it. Just think car registration and VIN numbers it works so why wouldn’t it work with guns.

 

[Suhrthing]

didnt realize skinheads went back that far, not saying they didnt though

I think it was me conflating actual events with higher learning ha.

 

[Texxcane]

How about raising the age to legally buy a gun to lets say the age you must be to ******* rent a car (25), or buy alcohol (21) at the very least? How about setting up a system similar to how people can even drive and apply that to gun ownership... Is that so crazy? That you need to have a permit to own a gun, that requires you to have taken a gun safety test and to pass backround check/mental fitness test or something. ...It probably is a problem to you because your a right wing gun nut that knows **** well you probably wouldn't be able to pass the tests that could possibly be required to owning a gun.

But your only argument is thats "sweeping it under the rug". That is the stupidest thing you've said yet. no, thats not, thats saving ******* lives you dip****. and just so you fully understand because apparently it needs to be explained to you like a 2 year old, Im not saying to ban guns entirely, and I'm also not saying that JUST by banning guns it will eradicate the ******* problem. I'm saying:

Step 1. Get it out of the hands of people that will do this kind of ****.
Step 2. Fix the problem so people dont want to do this in the first place.

Like **** man, this is what people like you just don't get. At the VERY LEAST taking guns away from people that shouldn't be allowed to have them will reduce the amount of INNOCENT people killed that shouldn't be. This isn't about taking your guns away and getting rid of the 2nd amendment, this is about controlling something thats main ******* purpose it to kill others. Thats what the **** the majority of these guns are for. Most people aren't using god **** hunting rifles to commit mass murder. Cars' main purpose isn't to kill others - its for ******* transportation, theres a reason tanks aren't seen rolling around on the street. Knives main purpose isn't to kill others - its for cutting your ******* steak and theres hunting knives which are for hunting obviously which is perfectly fine. Drugs main purpose isn't to kill others. Guns like a pistol or an AR-15, or Assault Rifles or any military weapon has the primary purpose of KILLING PEOPLE. People aren't going to schools or movie theaters or concerts to commit mass murder with a ******* hunting bow or knife. So at the very least you are saving lives.

This really shouldn't even be something anyone disagrees with. Should a mentally unstable person or someone who isn't even allowed to ******* buy a beer or rent a car in this country be allowed to buy a gun or not? This is a very simple question to ask with only one possible answer - NO.

well, you have some good ideas, raise the age maybe, but how in the **** are you gonna take guns away from people who should not have them, impossible, step 2, you may have something in the fact that our judicial system is a joke, swift, hardcore action would help, and i'm not talking bout sittin in jail for years either. I can tell by your post your heart is in the right place, you just need to be alive several more years it brings more wisdom and common sense. The problem here is not the guns its the people behind them, guns have been here 200 years and will always be here, way to many out there to fix that. For some reason its the people whoo have changed, i dont know the answer to that, crazy video games, violence on tv, young folks now days have zero respect for anything authority, they get away with it and are never held accountable till something like this happens. Something else imo is school teachers cannot disipline students anymore, if they try they are called out by kids parents and sued or whatever else. We have teachers quitting faster than we can hire them, students now will just stand up and tell ateacher to **** off and that she cant do **** about it, they get hit, slapped, shoved, the school wont back em for fear of law suites. Its pathetic, i wouldnt teach school for any amount of money, i would end up beating one of those punks to death. This is a big part of the problem imo, and that starts at home, these parents expect the school to raise their kids because their to lazy. Just an FYI Va Tech shooter killed like 40 with a pistol

 

[CaneOil]

I have the facts moron. Gun deaths are almost zero in England .

How about stabbings

This guy did what I’ve always feared. ( I’m a facility manager at a local elementary and am on the crisis team). Get in and pull the fire alarm, and then start shooting. There’s no lock down procedure for that. No ALICE training. The only real way to protect ourselves from this is trying to begin to minimize the ease and amount of automatic/ semi automatic weapons out there. Get rid of extended magazines, create a registration process, and employ people to enforce the laws you do make. If it was me I’d eliminate all assault weapons to the public. And extended mags for hand guns. I’d also put an annual purchase maximum for how many guns you can buy without triggering an investigation. We could be using technology much better in this country to track guns and we just don’t do it. Just think car registration and VIN numbers it works so why wouldn’t it work with guns.

How long before liberals ban all guns? We have at least 300 million guns in this country, it would take 2000 years to get all of them. Then sooner or later we become Mexico the death capital of the world. The took all guns away from the public so now they can't fight back they are sitting ducks. Are knives and trucks next? Knife crimes is at an all time high in Europe.

Would have been nice if the classrooms had bullet proof doors and walls so when they go into lock down at least those in that room are safe. There are many things that could be done to make schools safer. This time the FBI dropped the ball to busy pulling their ****ers.

 

[CaneFan79]

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The shooter was probably using the civilian derivative which was called the Colt AR-15. The latter is semi-automatic. I'm not sure that it is same as the armalite to which you link. Note that that the Colt patent has expired and that there are many knockoffs for civilian purchase, including a hunting version. I'm not sure these are considered assault weapons. Someone has said the same damage could have been accomplished with a semi-automatic pistol.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_AR-15

It will be very tough to remove these from circulation. There must be millions in circulation. Again, we are not Europe, we have the heritage of a large frontier and guns were part of conquering the wilderness (and yes, in some cases the indigenous population). I don't know of a single European country that had the conquest of a wild frontier as part of its recent history (i.e., last 200-300 years).

We could try to ban ammunition but that will be difficult too. I think these guns use standard ammunition there will be resistance from good people who have guns, will not give them up easily, and don't shoot up schools. Some are hunters, some keep guns for protection. I don't share their passion, and don't agree with them necessarily, but they are not "rednecks" or bad people. A friend of mine, a ****** girl from Long Island had a gun. She happened to have been former CIA ops (stationed in Moscow embassy) and later DEA (worked drug cartels in Latin America). I don't know why she wouldn't give up her gun after she left the DEA but she wouldn't. People seem to become attached to them

I guess it's easy to confuse consumer AR-15 with military assault weapons. I'm not sure the Colt consumer version (or the many knockoffs) are considered assault weapons.

"Assault Weapons" comes from the AP style guide and is used by them to describe semi-automatic rifles based off of selective fire "Assault Rifles." Dumb and inaccurate? Sure, they're journalists, not weapons experts.

The Sturmgewehr 44, the German selective fire rifle with a detachable magazine from late stages of WW2, was translated by some into "assault rifle," popularizing the term.

The Armalite Rifle (AR)-15 was the basis of the M-16 and the civilian-use semi-auto-only "knock-offs" mostly (some have a gas piston, not gas tube) use the same concept of operation and interchangeable parts. The gun community calls it the "AR Platform" because of these facts.

 

[Calinative]

This guy did what I’ve always feared. ( I’m a facility manager at a local elementary and am on the crisis team). Get in and pull the fire alarm, and then start shooting. There’s no lock down procedure for that. No ALICE training. The only real way to protect ourselves from this is trying to begin to minimize the ease and amount of automatic/ semi automatic weapons out there. Get rid of extended magazines, create a registration process, and employ people to enforce the laws you do make. If it was me I’d eliminate all assault weapons to the public. And extended mags for hand guns. I’d also put an annual purchase maximum for how many guns you can buy without triggering an investigation. We could be using technology much better in this country to track guns and we just don’t do it. Just think car registration and VIN numbers it works so why wouldn’t it work with guns.

Because the NRA basically owning enough congressmen/women on any voting that has to do with gun legislation, thats why stuff like that isn't currently in place.

 

[UMAlum21]

How about raising the age to legally buy a gun to lets say the age you must be to ******* rent a car (25), or buy alcohol (21) at the very least? How about setting up a system similar to how people can even drive and apply that to gun ownership... Is that so crazy? That you need to have a permit to own a gun, that requires you to have taken a gun safety test and to pass backround check/mental fitness test or something. ...It probably is a problem to you because your a right wing gun nut that knows **** well you probably wouldn't be able to pass the tests that could possibly be required to owning a gun.

But your only argument is thats "sweeping it under the rug". That is the stupidest thing you've said yet. no, thats not, thats saving ******* lives you dip****. and just so you fully understand because apparently it needs to be explained to you like a 2 year old, Im not saying to ban guns entirely, and I'm also not saying that JUST by banning guns it will eradicate the ******* problem. I'm saying:

Step 1. Get it out of the hands of people that will do this kind of ****.
Step 2. Fix the problem so people dont want to do this in the first place.

Like **** man, this is what people like you just don't get. At the VERY LEAST taking guns away from people that shouldn't be allowed to have them will reduce the amount of INNOCENT people killed that shouldn't be. This isn't about taking your guns away and getting rid of the 2nd amendment, this is about controlling something thats main ******* purpose it to kill others. Thats what the **** the majority of these guns are for. Most people aren't using god **** hunting rifles to commit mass murder. Cars' main purpose isn't to kill others - its for ******* transportation, theres a reason tanks aren't seen rolling around on the street. Knives main purpose isn't to kill others - its for cutting your ******* steak and theres hunting knives which are for hunting obviously which is perfectly fine. Drugs main purpose isn't to kill others. Guns like a pistol or an AR-15, or Assault Rifles or any military weapon has the primary purpose of KILLING PEOPLE. People aren't going to schools or movie theaters or concerts to commit mass murder with a ******* hunting bow or knife. So at the very least you are saving lives.

This really shouldn't even be something anyone disagrees with. Should a mentally unstable person or someone who isn't even allowed to ******* buy a beer or rent a car in this country be allowed to buy a gun or not? This is a very simple question to ask with only one possible answer - NO.

This is going to be the last response I give you because it's apparent you are not a very stable dude and are incapable of having a rational discussion. Usually I wouldn't give a **** when engaging with the usual idiots on here, but in this case I'm actually embarrassed that someone from my alma mater is so irrational, unstable, and incapable of having an adult conversation.

You assigned a bunch of arguments to me that at no point did I make because by all indications you're either so irrational that you'd can't think straight or you are just that dumb and lack even the slightest semblance of reaching comprehension.

I don't own a gun, nobody in my family owns a gun, I've never fired a gun, and I'm not "right wing. I'm not opposed to making it more difficult to get a gun nor do I want mentally unstable people to be able to freely acquire weapons. Nor am I happy this **** happened in the community I've spent my entire life in. So despite your ridiculous mischaracterizations of me, you're full of ****. That doesn't change my premise that banning guns does nothing to address the underlying issue of why lunatics feel it is ok to attack innocent people, nor will it actually keep guns out of the hands of determined, dangerous people. Just like making it illegal to have drugs in this country, or making it illegal for underage kids to drink, or making it illegal for people without a driver's license to operate a vehicle or you name it, it still happens all the ******* time. You don't think this doofus could have found some **** head in his trailer park willing to buy the gun for him if you needed to be 21? Made a fake ID? Stolen one?

Apparently trying to think critically and use the brain God gave makes me an angry, right wing gun nut, despite you being the one ranting, raving, and cursing at everyone who may not align with everything you believe (I'm not really sure what you believe because you constantly contradict yourself and write like an angry ******* chick).

Grow the **** up, try to use whatever brainpower you have in your head (you had to do something right to get into UM unless your parents just wrote a nice check) and stop PMSing at differing viewpoints. Or you can continue to be an angry, irrational little guy, but best believe if you carry yourself like this in any kind of corporate setting you'll get tossed on your *** faster than you can login here to whine about it.

 

[Calinative]

well, you have some good ideas, raise the age maybe, but how in the **** are you gonna take guns away from people who should not have them, impossible, step 2, you may have something in the fact that our judicial system is a joke, swift, hardcore action would help, and i'm not talking bout sittin in jail for years either. I can tell by your post your heart is in the right place, you just need to be alive several more years it brings more wisdom and common sense. The problem here is not the guns its the people behind them, guns have been here 200 years and will always be here, way to many out there to fix that. For some reason its the people whoo have changed, i dont know the answer to that, crazy video games, violence on tv, young folks now days have zero respect for anything authority, they get away with it and are never held accountable till something like this happens. Something else imo is school teachers cannot disipline students anymore, if they try they are called out by kids parents and sued or whatever else. We have teachers quitting faster than we can hire them, students now will just stand up and tell ateacher to **** off and that she cant do **** about it, they get hit, slapped, shoved, the school wont back em for fear of law suites. Its pathetic, i wouldnt teach school for any amount of money, i would end up beating one of those punks to death. This is a big part of the problem imo, and that starts at home, these parents expect the school to raise their kids because their to lazy. Just an FYI Va Tech shooter killed like 40 with a pistol

How are we going to take guns away from people that shouldn't have them? Same ******* way we do it with vehicles - require physical tests of gun safety and written test of mental health with the added bonus of a background check/passing basic medical checks. At the very least it would reduce the amount of mentally ill people or people who very clearly should not be allowed to own them. Again this isn't about making sure we reduce it by 100%, its about reducing it at all. If this only takes it away from 5k people, thats a big ******* deal imo, because you're taking them out of the hands of the most likely to use them for evil, and thats the entire point. Its not taking guns away from everybody, or that people shouldn't be able to have them. Its that insane people who want to shoot up a school shouldn't have them. That seems pretty simple to me. And the only reason something that basic isn't already law to own a gun, is because the NRA owns congress.

Secondly, I agree the big problem is the people, but part of fixing that problem is obviously getting the mass killing weapon out of their hands, it really is that simple. As for why people have changed, maybe they haven't all that much. Imo technology is the reason we are seeing more **** like this. Due to the internet and social media and anonymous internet sites similar to this (reddit and 4chan are probably the really big ones), Everyone is more connected than ever before. This allows the spread of Ideas - especially the crazy ones - much easier than ever. Its easier for sick people to get radicalized. And the internet allows people more access to buy things like never before. I'm sure you can order a gun and attachments online with ease today. And all that is a problem...probably the biggest problem. I completely doubt things like Music and video games are the problem. GTA doesn't make you go out and kill or steal and ****.

Parents today have a much harder job than 80s parents did. Like I'm sorry but it is insanely difficult to monitor a teenagers internet usage. And that internet usage is the primary way teens connect in this day and age...to their friends and radical groups trying to create their hitler youth movement.

 

[Texxcane]

This is going to be the last response I give you because it's apparent you are not a very stable dude and are incapable of having a rational discussion. Usually I wouldn't give a **** when engaging with the usual idiots on here, but in this case I'm actually embarrassed that someone from my alma mater is so irrational, unstable, and incapable of having an adult conversation.

You assigned a bunch of arguments to me that at no point did I make because by all indications you're either so irrational that you'd can't think straight or you are just that dumb and lack even the slightest semblance of reaching comprehension.

I don't own a gun, nobody in my family owns a gun, I've never fired a gun, and I'm not "right wing. I'm not opposed to making it more difficult to get a gun nor do I want mentally unstable people to be able to freely acquire weapons. Nor am I happy this **** happened in the community I've spent my entire life in. So despite your ridiculous mischaracterizations of me, you're full of ****. That doesn't change my premise that banning guns does nothing to address the underlying issue of why lunatics feel it is ok to attack innocent people, nor will it actually keep guns out of the hands of determined, dangerous people. Just like making it illegal to have drugs in this country, or making it illegal for underage kids to drink, or making it illegal for people without a driver's license to operate a vehicle or you name it, it still happens all the ******* time. You don't think this doofus could have found some **** head in his trailer park willing to buy the gun for him if you needed to be 21? Made a fake ID? Stolen one?

Apparently trying to think critically and use the brain God gave makes me an angry, right wing gun nut, despite you being the one ranting, raving, and cursing at everyone who may not align with everything you believe (I'm not really sure what you believe because you constantly contradict yourself and write like an angry ******* chick).

Grow the **** up, try to use whatever brainpower you have in your head (you had to do something right to get into UM unless your parents just wrote a nice check) and stop PMSing at differing viewpoints. Or you can continue to be an angry, irrational little guy, but best believe if you carry yourself like this in any kind of corporate setting you'll get tossed on your *** faster than you can login here to whine about it.

pimp, what a great post man, others should take notice, you have never owned a gun, never even fired one, but you get it, the problem is not the guns. This kid had his mind made up and was determined, even posted a video stating he wanted to be a school shooter, FBI knew about said video, so whether he bought a gun, borrowed it or stole it does not matter. People immediatly cry gun control, NRA, Trump, republicans, blah blah, easiest thing to do. Chicago has the tightest laws in the country and people killin like crazy, like 4000 in 17, so yea it does a ton of good. If you totally stop the sales of guns tomorrow there would be plenty of guns for the next 100 years. I find its mostly people who have not been around guns their whole life like myself that just dont understand the truth about them, they dont even have a clue. I am all for stricter laws, more background, classes, etc, i welcome all that no problem but these people that believe that will stop stuff like this just are not using common sense. Whats funny is these movie stars like big fat nasty rosie odonell wants guns banned but thinks her body guards should carry, and Pelosi carries a little 25 auto in her purse, too funny

 

[frostycane]

I do agree that none of these laws will stop crimes like this. However, it’s like saying the war on drugs has had no effect on drugs. Sure there’s still plenty of drugs out there but think about how much has been caught too. Think about how bad it got in the 80s. So you will always take the good with the bad. But as for gun laws it is as if we have never done anything. And it’s time we do something. Try to curb it somewhere.

 

[Texxcane]

How are we going to take guns away from people that shouldn't have them? Same ******* way we do it with vehicles - require physical tests of gun safety and written test of mental health with the added bonus of a background check/passing basic medical checks. At the very least it would reduce the amount of mentally ill people or people who very clearly should not be allowed to own them. Again this isn't about making sure we reduce it by 100%, its about reducing it at all. If this only takes it away from 5k people, thats a big ******* deal imo, because you're taking them out of the hands of the most likely to use them for evil, and thats the entire point. Its not taking guns away from everybody, or that people shouldn't be able to have them. Its that insane people who want to shoot up a school shouldn't have them. That seems pretty simple to me. And the only reason something that basic isn't already law to own a gun, is because the NRA owns congress.

Secondly, I agree the big problem is the people, but part of fixing that problem is obviously getting the mass killing weapon out of their hands, it really is that simple. As for why people have changed, maybe they haven't all that much. Imo technology is the reason we are seeing more **** like this. Due to the internet and social media and anonymous internet sites similar to this (reddit and 4chan are probably the really big ones), Everyone is more connected than ever before. This allows the spread of Ideas - especially the crazy ones - much easier than ever. Its easier for sick people to get radicalized. And the internet allows people more access to buy things like never before. I'm sure you can order a gun and attachments online with ease today. And all that is a problem...probably the biggest problem. I completely doubt things like Music and video games are the problem. GTA doesn't make you go out and kill or steal and ****.

Parents today have a much harder job than 80s parents did. Like I'm sorry but it is insanely difficult to monitor a teenagers internet usage. And that internet usage is the primary way teens connect in this day and age...to their friends and radical groups trying to create their hitler youth movement.

by taking guns away from people who should not own them implies that they ALREADY own them, damm man, so yea you can do all you said but how you gonna decide out of the 300 million out there, and thats waaay low, who gets to keep theirs and who has to turn them in. People who have guns dont put it in the newspaper or internet, maybe you just misunderstood my post. Going forward yea tighten up, may make a small difference but doubtful, they just buy off the street, or steal one. My point about the kids is, they have zero respect for authority, not all of coarse but a helluva lot, i know several teachers and what they say goes on is just unreal, no wonder they all quit as soon as they can. In the 80's we got our asses whipped for just a little talking back, now their parents sue the school and demand the teacher fired, and education is taking the hit. Just saw lebron on tv talking politics and blaming Trump, ******* A typical stupid motherfuker, should stick to bouncing a ball and making millions, has an IQ of an 8th grader

 

[CaneOil]

I do agree that none of these laws will stop crimes like this. However, it’s like saying the war on drugs has had no effect on drugs. Sure there’s still plenty of drugs out there but think about how much has been caught too. Think about how bad it got in the 80s. So you will always take the good with the bad. But as for gun laws it is as if we have never done anything. And it’s time we do something. Try to curb it somewhere.

The school administration knew about him, the teachers knew about him, the FBI knew about him, cops probably knew about him. The entire system is run by F ups that's why this happened.

 

[Suhrthing]

How are we going to take guns away from people that shouldn't have them? Same ******* way we do it with vehicles - require physical tests of gun safety and written test of mental health with the added bonus of a background check/passing basic medical checks. At the very least it would reduce the amount of mentally ill people or people who very clearly should not be allowed to own them. Again this isn't about making sure we reduce it by 100%, its about reducing it at all. If this only takes it away from 5k people, thats a big ******* deal imo, because you're taking them out of the hands of the most likely to use them for evil, and thats the entire point. Its not taking guns away from everybody, or that people shouldn't be able to have them. Its that insane people who want to shoot up a school shouldn't have them. That seems pretty simple to me. And the only reason something that basic isn't already law to own a gun, is because the NRA owns congress.

Secondly, I agree the big problem is the people, but part of fixing that problem is obviously getting the mass killing weapon out of their hands, it really is that simple. As for why people have changed, maybe they haven't all that much. Imo technology is the reason we are seeing more **** like this. Due to the internet and social media and anonymous internet sites similar to this (reddit and 4chan are probably the really big ones), Everyone is more connected than ever before. This allows the spread of Ideas - especially the crazy ones - much easier than ever. Its easier for sick people to get radicalized. And the internet allows people more access to buy things like never before. I'm sure you can order a gun and attachments online with ease today. And all that is a problem...probably the biggest problem. I completely doubt things like Music and video games are the problem. GTA doesn't make you go out and kill or steal and ****.

Parents today have a much harder job than 80s parents did. Like I'm sorry but it is insanely difficult to monitor a teenagers internet usage. And that internet usage is the primary way teens connect in this day and age...to their friends and radical groups trying to create their hitler youth movement.

Alot of emotional vomit in your posts. No, your silly ideas dont work. Most of these mass-shooters aren't hardened criminals, in and out of the justice system. They're clean, with clean records, legally able to purchase firearms - like any law-abiding American.

Should the government mandate tests of intelligence or competence to vote?
Should the government mandate tests of intelligence, competence or sanity to practice free speech?
Should the government mandate tests of intelligence, competence or sanity be secure in ones belongings or domicile?
Should the government mandate tests of intelligence, competence or sanity before you are awarded a fair trial by jury?
ETC ETC ETC

Do you see what im getting at? Do you see what happens when you start tearing up the Bill of Rights? Do you see what precedence it sets, and has been setting for the last 150 years? You must get past the 'if we could just save one life' mantra. Its a fallacy. You dont throw out the baby with the bath water.

What seems like perfect 'common sense gun laws' to you, are in reality irrational, emotion-based knee-jerks. Guns in America aren't destined for some pie-in-the-sky utopia, that we just need a few more 'laws and restrictions' to fix the problem. Its an imperfect, but necessary existence.

 

[Suhrthing]

The school administration knew about him, the teachers knew about him, the FBI knew about him, cops probably knew about him. The entire system is run by F ups that's why this happened.

They didn't create him. Society did. Todays' western culture, obsessed with individuality, safe-spaces, acceptance, conflict-avoidance, participation trophies, political correctness, little white lies, hurt-feelings etc has created a generation of kids (through the fault of their parents) that do not know how to lose, do not know how to cope with adversity, do not know how to cope with bullies, do not know how to assert themselves, who do not have the mental fortitude to cope with reality. Combine that with social media/instant fame/and access to guns and you get Adam Lanza.

 

[Classic]

Again. This guy didn't have an assault rifle. He had the Colt AR-15 or a knockoff.

Please look up John Lott's research.

Pardon me. You're right. It wasn't an assault rifle, not a fully automatic weapon; it was a semi-automatic weapon, an AR-15.

And shut the **** up already with your John Lott **** slobbing. Lott's been deep throating the barrels of guns for decades and anybody who's paid any attention to the gun control debate knows of Lott and what he thinks. His reputation is also pock-marked and most, if not all, of his most headline-grabbing assertions have been debunked.

Please look up the articles and research countering John Lott's research. They're more recent and more reliable, too.

 

[Texxcane]

They didn't create him. Society did. Todays' western culture, obsessed with individuality, safe-spaces, acceptance, conflict-avoidance, participation trophies, political correctness, little white lies, hurt-feelings etc has created a generation of kids (through the fault of their parents) that do not know how to lose, do not know how to cope with adversity, do not know how to cope with bullies, do not know how to assert themselves, who do not have the mental fortitude to cope with reality. Combine that with social media/instant fame/and access to guns and you get Adam Lanza.

i was trying to say that, you did a better job, starts at home, kids have no respect for anything and then when life hits them in the face the cant handle it and flip out, thats an 80's term

 

[King Slayer]

we protect our govt buildings and federal reserve banks with armed guards and metal detectors.

Why can’t we protect our children as well as we protect our politicians and money?

(Lifted from Austin Peterson. Sort of)

Look at this snowflake liberal socialist wanting big government to have cops on every corner. I bet he wants to raise to taxes to pay for the extra guards and metal detectors.

 

[CaneOil]

They didn't create him. Society did. Todays' western culture, obsessed with individuality, safe-spaces, acceptance, conflict-avoidance, participation trophies, political correctness, little white lies, hurt-feelings etc has created a generation of kids (through the fault of their parents) that do not know how to lose, do not know how to cope with adversity, do not know how to cope with bullies, do not know how to assert themselves, who do not have the mental fortitude to cope with reality. Combine that with social media/instant fame/and access to guns and you get Adam Lanza.

Does it really matter who created him? This country has already turned into a liberal ****hole. Over 40% of kids born are to single mothers, what could possibly go wrong. It is what it is now, liberals F this country up. The cops, the FBI, the school and teacher all F up and the kids paid with their lives. How about cops stop harassing people and actually do their jobs along with the corrupt as **** FBI. How many of the teachers/administration made it clear to police do something about this kid before someone is killed? Fire all of the F ups in charge, get someone who can do the job. Whoever took that call for the FBI should be fired on the spot and anyone else in the FBI that knew about it.

Make people accountable for once and they'll start doing their jobs. How many cops do you see harassing people giving them tickets for going 5 mph over the speed limit? These aholes get paid great money in SF do their job and start visiting these nut jobs. So sick of incompetent over paid government workers at every level. They don't perform fire their asses.

 

[CaneOil]

Look at this snowflake liberal socialist wanting big government to have cops on every corner. I bet he wants to raise to taxes to pay for the extra guards and metal detectors.

I agree we can't afford to put cops on every corner and we can't keep raising taxes on the working people to pay for it. If the government workers had done their jobs this wouldn't have happened. Most of them are just F ups. Get rid of those public unions and start firing the incompetent ones which is probably at least half of them. Why wasn't the school administration on the phone with the FBI every day until those bozo's showed up? Why weren't the local cops all over this? Could have checked this punk out in 5 minutes and dealt with him. Gov is filled with way too many fu ups who couldn't make it in the real world.