OT: Mass Shooting at Douglas High School

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There's now a Tallahassee Democrat article saying there's no evidence of this link. It is apparently this nut case Jereb trying to claim him. It's not even clear Jereb heads a real organization at all. I'll try to find the article.


HERE IT IS:

http://www.tallahassee.com/story/ne...ist-militia-tallahassee-leader-say/341751002/

Weird thing is, the Democrat article says the neo-**** actually talked to the ADL. During my time, we never talked to them, we put infiltrators into the National Socialist White People's Party (the former American **** Party) instead. I doubt this is much of a neo-****, White Nationalist organization.
It could be that they won't find a link if investigating the group since ADL article says group claims a south Florida branch. Still a branch could be a half dozen misfits marching around in the Everglades like they are doing something important. They could then shoot off their guns and nobody would hear them and they could then convince themselves that they are about to take over the country. So what if he associated with such a group? It's not evidence of a growing mass movement of dangerous white supremacists. There are more dangerous extremist groups out there: Antifa concerns me more. There are other dangerous right wing groups out there, but overall I think their numbers are still small

Of course individual cases of mass violence against children is a great concern but this, to my mind, is not a sign of a dangerous white supremacists movement. Thus guy is more of a mentally Ill lone wolf.
 
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If I had a definitive solution I'd propose it, but I don't think one exists. There will always be crazies looking to inflict damage and suffering onto innocent people, we'll never rid that from society. But I think there are certainly ways to fix this.

I could probably rant for days but I'll try to make it concise. I think I addressed why I believe we've seen a pickup in this in my last post. So how do we prevent this?

1) It starts at home with strong parenting and a stable, supportive home life. Something like 35% of American kids live in single parent households, another 10-15% live with only one birth parent and a step parent. I would call that out as a serious issue and not conducive to raising a healthy child. It's hard for me to comment without having kids yet, but parents need to be active, supportive, honest and engaged with their kids to help develop their self-esteem and personal security as they grow up. Parents/Schools/etc. need to teach kids from a young age that it's ok to fail, you're not always going to get your way (this is what I asserted that we now live in a victim culture where everything that goes wrong is always someone else's fault, it transcends political party), that it's ok to acknowledge your imperfections. We can't hide kids them from the realities of life.

2) Open and honest acceptance of mental illness in society. There is still a stigma attached to it where there shouldn't be. Taking your child to get therapy shouldn't be embarrassing. Having on sight school psychologists should be a must. I feel like too often parents will either choose to ignore the warning signs in certain kids or rely simply on dangerous meds to "change" their kids behavior. Kids shouldn't be popping anti depressants/adderall/etc. to control their moods except in SEVERE cases, that **** is nuts.

3) Get kids the **** out social media/video games/etc. Kids can barely interact anymore. Get them outside, playing sports, interacting with each other.

So all those other rich countries that don't have these problems are because the parents are better and they have less mental illness (which is demonstrably false)? And the kids there don't have social media and video games?
 
I agree that a ban on guns is not only unlikely to ever happen, but unrealistic to solve the problem of school shootings given the amount of guns in circulation and the availability of guns on the black market. But what might happen is that metal detectors will be installed at schools and kids won't be allowed to bring in backpacks, just like we aren't allowed to do at football stadiums. There will be a class set of books and most work is done online or on computers, so backpacks really aren't needed anymore. Or maybe kids get to bring in a see-through plastic bag for papers and pens/pencils.

This is what the world is coming to.
 
Feel however you want about gun control, but this is nonsense. It's a **** argument blindly propagated by the dim, disproved by the gun violence rates in countries with stricter gun control laws. When you take the convenience out of crime, crime rates decrease.

If an assault rifle was more difficult to obtain, maybe that sad little ****wit cuts his inner thigh a few extra times instead of mowing down dozens of innocent teenagers.

Again. This guy didn't have an assault rifle. He had the Colt AR-15 or a knockoff.

Please look up John Lott's research.
 
So all those other rich countries that don't have these problems are because the parents are better and they have less mental illness (which is demonstrably false)? And the kids there don't have social media and video games?
Other countries do have mass shootings. Look up Lott's 2010 article on European mass shootings. I posted it in this thread.
 
So all those other rich countries that don't have these problems are because the parents are better and they have less mental illness (which is demonstrably false)? And the kids there don't have social media and video games?
No. Most have Draconian gun laws.
 
When did generation snowflake become so racist? Why does gun control only matter when it afflicts white suburbia? Where is the outrage when the other 75% of gun violence happens in the inner cities?
 
guys guys, this argument cannot be won. Hear this, if you have metal detecters in the school, and an armed guard at each entrance, and a person wants to kill students, all he has to do is buy an old WWll 30-06 for 200 bucks and he can sit out there a half a mile and pick people off like shooting fish in a barrel, now what ?
 
guys guys, this argument cannot be won. Hear this, if you have metal detecters in the school, and an armed guard at each entrance, and a person wants to kill students, all he has to do is buy an old WWll 30-06 for 200 bucks and he can sit out there a half a mile and pick people off like shooting fish in a barrel, now what ?
Lots of things COULD happen. You could have a guy fly a plane into a school a la 9-11.

Has anyone ever done what you're suggesting? Even once? You're never going to have a foolproof answer, but you can come up with safeguards that relegate what happened yesterday to be exponentially less likely in the future.
 
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Lots of things COULD happen. You could have a guy fly a plane into a school a la 9-11.

Has anyone ever done what you're suggesting? Even once? You're never going to have a foolproof answer, but you can come up with safeguards that relegate what happened yesterday to be exponentially less likely in the future.

i agree with you, i am just saying that if a person wants to kill people there is not much that can stop him, all the gun control in the world would not stop him. Also agree with more vetting, deeper background checks, etc
 
Lots of things COULD happen. You could have a guy fly a plane into a school a la 9-11.

Has anyone ever done what you're suggesting? Even once? You're never going to have a foolproof answer, but you can come up with safeguards that relegate what happened yesterday to be exponentially less likely in the future.
Didn't some skinhead in Texas do that very thing years ago at a university?
 
No, but it could stop the ******* mass murder, couldn't it? Right now thats called progress.

If you make it impossible for a HS student to be able to get a gun at all, then that is better than nothing because it would mean a decrease in kids showing up to their HS with guns and being able to murder 10+ and ****.
Like, something is better than nothing. Nobody is saying we should only control the sale of guns and not pay any attention to mental illness.

No that is called sweeping a problem under the rug to hide the root cause rather than addressing the problem behind it.

1) How are you going to make it impossible for a HS student to obtain a gun?
So all those other rich countries that don't have these problems are because the parents are better and they have less mental illness (which is demonstrably false)? And the kids there don't have social media and video games?

Well it's been shown that other countries have violent crime issues, just not necessarily gun related so it
No, but it could stop the ******* mass murder, couldn't it? Right now thats called progress.

If you make it impossible for a HS student to be able to get a gun at all, then that is better than nothing because it would mean a decrease in kids showing up to their HS with guns and being able to murder 10+ and ****.
Like, something is better than nothing. Nobody is saying we should only control the sale of guns and not pay any attention to mental illness.

No, that is called sweeping a problem under the rug without actually addressing the root cause of it. It's amazing we've had guns in this country for years but this mass shooting phenomenon has only really manifested the last 20 years or so.

Lets dissect this:

In Florida you need to be 18 to buy a weapon, this kid was already 19 (generally he'd be aged out of high school). What law would you put on the books to prevent him from buying a gun? He's a legal adult, high schoolers already can't legally own guns here unless they are of age.

Lets say you ban guns in totality. How does that address why this kid wanted to do what he did? What's stopping him from sitting in the school parking lot and running down kids with his car? Or creating a bomb? Or **** poisoning the drinking water at the school or a littany of other ****ed up scenarios?

We've banned drugs and alcohol in this country, has that made it impossible to acquire them? We've banned murder, do people not do that anymore?

Nothing you've proposed has done anything to address the actual issues at hand. You just want to sit around and yell and cuss at people without applying a single shred of critical thinking to anything on here. Grow the **** up.
 
Idiots show themselves so easily in threads like this lol.

people who can't even admit that this is a problem are a waste of time and effort even talking to.
 
How so? I'
No it isn't! I have close to 20 guns. Never seen a one of them kill A person ,but I bet you could put one in the hands of a dumbass and.......
 
Didn't some skinhead in Texas do that very thing years ago at a university?
Nah, you're thinking of that movie "Higher Learning" with Ice Cube. Nah, I don't know. Maybe it did happen, but the likelihood is very low and whoever did that didn't kill 17 people.
 
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