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I showed my little relative who’s a big LBJ fan this article since he never saw MJ play (but rocks the **** outta his shoes), and gave him the reason why the majority of basketball fans see him as The GOAT. Dude was astonished.

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23 stats for No. 23, Michael Jordan

So you thought you knew everything there is to know about the No. 1 player in the #NBArank, Michael Jordan? Not so fast. Prepare to be amazed.
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caneinorlando said:
I still want to Slap Starks and Charles Smith till this day.....Im talking 3 Stooges Slap....The grief those 2 MFers caused me...
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LOL! Exact same, my man. Those 90s Bulls/Knicks battles are my favorite basketball games to this day. But **** did I hate those Knicks!!

The presentation of one of those series on MJ's "Air Time" video is all time epic. I watch it several times a year. Every year. LOL
 
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For_The_U said:
LOL! Exact same, my man. Those 90s Bulls/Knicks battles are my favorite basketball games to this day. But **** did I hate those Knicks!!

The presentation of one of those series on MJ's "Air Time" video is all time epic. I watch it several times a year. Every year. LOL
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Been a Knick fan my whole life...Clyde was my idol growing up...How Smith misses that layup twice makes me want to do a Swan Dive off of a Building till this day...As far as Starks....How can you miss those FTs??
 
caneinorlando said:
Been a Knick fan all my

Been a Knick fan my whole life...Clyde was my idol growing up...How Smith misses that layup twice makes me want to do a Swan Dive off of a Building till this day...As far as Starks....How can you miss those FTs??
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Not exact same at all then, my man. LOL You know, I wondered why you included Charles Smith. Man, I despised Starks! And there was another half dozen players on those squads I hated equally as much. Smith would not have been high on that list. Now you post makes a lot more sense. ;-)

Poor Patrick will have written on his grave stone "I would have a bunch of championship rings if not for Michael Jordan".
 
For_The_U said:
The presentation of one of those series on MJ's "Air Time" video is all time epic. I watch it several times a year. Every year. LOL
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Below is a link to the full Air Time. If any of you on here haven't seen it, you should absolutely watch the whole thing. Great video! The Knicks series portion I referenced starts at 24:08 ("We just came off a very convincing series against Miami; we thought we could waltz right through New York...":




Sh-t gives me chills to this day.

BTW, I watch that clip and chuckle at the thought of a player like Charmin-Soft Harden facing that Knicks squad on the defensive end of the court. He wouldn't make it to halftime.
 
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Rellyrell said:
I showed my little relative who’s a big LBJ fan this article since he never saw MJ play (but rocks the **** outta his shoes), and gave him the reason why the majority of basketball fans see him as The GOAT. Dude was astonished.

es.pn

23 stats for No. 23, Michael Jordan

So you thought you knew everything there is to know about the No. 1 player in the #NBArank, Michael Jordan? Not so fast. Prepare to be amazed.
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Those stats don't show the 17 games in a row Chicago lost to Boston, I think Jordan was a part of 12 of them. lol I was in Boston Garden for every game he played there until like 88. Those stats don't show Boston and Detroit eating Jordans lunch for his fist 7 years as a pro. We had fun with Jordan with the over rated chant.

Jodan didn't win the big one until all the great players retired or got old. I would take Magic Johnson over Jordan every single time. LA was theBiggest game in Boston never missed it. Jordan came in it's like ok lets go watch jordan score his 35 and lose. Bird made sure of that in the last 10 minutes of the game when it mattered. Jordan always choked and we knew itl LMAO Sorry many of you guys didn't get to see real basketball played in the 80's.
 
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CaneOil said:
Those stats don't show the 17 games in a row Chicago lost to Boston, I think Jordan was a part of 12 of them. lol I was in Boston Garden for every game he played there until like 88. Those stats don't show Boston and Detroit eating Jordans lunch for his fist 7 years as a pro. We had fun with Jordan with the over rated chant.

Jodan didn't win the big one until all the great players retired or got old. I would take Magic Johnson over Jordan picking every single time. Biggest game in Boston never missed it. Jordan came in it's like ok lets go watch jordan score his 40 with and lose. Bird made sure of that in the last 10 minutes of the game when it mattered. Jordan always choke and we knew itl LMAO Sorry many of you guys didn't get to see real basketball played in the 80's. They had to change all the rules for Jordan for him to win.
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This whole topic is just a debate of personal opinions, of course. But "Jordan always choked"? What?!? Widely considered the most clutch player to ever play the game. You go down a list of his greatest games and about 90% of them are in the playoffs (most are in the Finals). That speaks volumes. Has there EVER been a player in the game's history you wanted the ball in the hands more with a few ticks left down one than Mike? I surely don't think so, and I believe I'd be firmly in the majority on that.

I grew up watching those great Lakers teams and those great Celtics teams. My father loved Larry like I loved Michael. I have immense appreciation for those greats, but none of them are quite like Michael Jordan, IMO. And even if (I've said this quote for 20 years and now it's a "when" not an if at this point) there is a more talented basketball player, it will be hard for any player to ever match the Hollywood-esque story arch of Michael Jordan's career. I mean things like him retiring because his father is murdered, only to return and win his next title... on Father's Day. Dunking on a tiny guard and having a heckler yell "Hey Michael, why don't you pick on someone your own size!".... only to dunk the ball right down the throat of Tree Rollins the next time down the court, returning to ask that heckler "Was that one big enough?". Cheesy stuff, I know, but that's all part of Mike's legacy. If you wrote his story in Hollywood, there are aspects that would be rejected as not realistic enough. All of that wraps into Michael Jordan's lore and makes his legacy a tough one to live up to, fair or not.

You jab at Michael for losing a bunch to Boston early in his career. LOL Really? Do you need to go back and look at those rosters? I watched all of those games as well. That Celtics team was one of the greatest TEAMS to ever play the game. Fact. And they were loaded with some greats of the era. Can you name me one other player off those 86-era Chicago teams? Most people couldn't. The only reason Chicago was even in that playoff game where he dumped 63 in the Garden was because of Michael Jordan (or "God disguised as Michael Jordan" as the great Larry Bird put it). Same with Detroit. It is laughable how much better those Bad Boy teams were than those early Chicago squads. Downright laughable. But unlike modern stars, Mike didn't bolt to go hookup with Clyde and 'Nique to get over the hump, he gritted his teeth and carried his teammates over that mountain himself. It's mind boggling to me that you use those early Chicago teams/defeats as a jab at Michael. If anything, they are building blocks on the bottom floor of what makes MJ, MJ.

Another fact: in an era dominated by big men, Michael went his entire career, and achieved all he did as a team, without ever playing with a dominant big man. Not once. What would Michael have done if he had a center alongside him like Ewing or even Parrish that the D had to focus on? It's hard to even wrap your mind around that. Instead, he had Curt Livingston, Will Purdue and Bill Cartwright.

But again, to each their own on this topic.
 
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CaneSince4Ever said:
Yeah but as a Heat fan, Sprewell & Houston used to kill the Heat.
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I actually really liked that Knicks team. My wife (NY Italian) loved that team and we lived in Miami at the time so we watched (or went to) all of those games. Some of the best NBA series in history, IMO. Heart breaking for the Heat tho. Jeez.
 
For_The_U said:
Below is a link to the full Air Time. If any of you on here haven't seen it, you should absolutely watch the whole thing. Great video! The Knicks series portion I referenced starts at 24:08 ("We just came off a very convincing series against Miami; we thought we could just waltz through New York...":



I watch that clip and chuckle at the thought of a player like Charmin-Soft Harden facing that Knicks squad on the defensive end of the court. He wouldn't make it to halftime.
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30:25 is another great segment of that film. To date, the greatest single half performance I personally have ever witnessed at any level of basketball. I can picture myself standing in front of the TV in our living room with my brother watching that to this day.
 
Just a preview of what a big man does to a little man. lol Can you imagine how Jordan would do against Magic or Bird? Both would back him in and eat him up. Just like Bird did when the game was on the line.
 
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CaneOil said:
Those stats don't show the 17 games in a row Chicago lost to Boston, I think Jordan was a part of 12 of them. lol I was in Boston Garden for every game he played there until like 88. Those stats don't show Boston and Detroit eating Jordans lunch for his fist 7 years as a pro. We had fun with Jordan with the over rated chant.

Jodan didn't win the big one until all the great players retired or got old. I would take Magic Johnson over Jordan every single time. LA was theBiggest game in Boston never missed it. Jordan came in it's like ok lets go watch jordan score his 35 and lose. Bird made sure of that in the last 10 minutes of the game when it mattered. Jordan always choke and we knew itl LMAO Sorry many of you guys didn't get to see real basketball played in the 80's.
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BTW, worth noting because you tried to take away from what MJ achieved by saying they changed the rules for him.... the person you are saying is the greatest player of all time was the only 7 footer in the league at a time the game had no 3 second violation. Do you think Wilt Chamberlain would score 100pts today? Of course not. Now Wilt was a true basketball player as well, and he unquestionably belongs on the Mouth Rushmore of the NBA. But I find it ironic you lessen Michael by saying rules helped him while touting a guy who was taller than everyone and could literally just camp out under the cylinder.
 
CaneOil said:
Just a preview of what a big man does to a little man. lol Can you imagine how Jordan would do against Magic or Bird? Both would back him in and eat him up. Just like Bird did when the game was on the line.
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Magic is one of the greatest passers to ever play the game. Michael is one of the greatest scorers to ever play the game. Apples and oranges; though Magic scored plenty as well. Biggest difference between those two players? Defense. End of story.

Michael is widely known as a scorer. And understandably so as the league had never seen a player attack like Michael Jordan. But all the while he is single-handedly carrying the Bulls on the offensive side of the court, he manages to do this on the defensive side...

TWO TIME NBA Defensive Player of the Year (the whole **** league! This even includes players who were on rosters solely as a defensive specialist)

NINE TIME All-Defensive selection, all first team.

Only player in league history to lead the league in scoring and win Defensive Player of the Year in the same season. Want to know something else crazier on that? While Michael did it in the same season (and did both multiple times) no other player has ever done both of those separately in their entire career. Chew on that for a minute.

Now, let's list Magic Johnson's defensive awards:






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CaneOil said:
Those stats don't show the 17 games in a row Chicago lost to Boston, I think Jordan was a part of 12 of them. lol I was in Boston Garden for every game he played there until like 88. Those stats don't show Boston and Detroit eating Jordans lunch for his fist 7 years as a pro. We had fun with Jordan with the over rated chant.

Jodan didn't win the big one until all the great players retired or got old. I would take Magic Johnson over Jordan every single time. LA was theBiggest game in Boston never missed it. Jordan came in it's like ok lets go watch jordan score his 35 and lose. Bird made sure of that in the last 10 minutes of the game when it mattered. Jordan always choke and we knew itl LMAO Sorry many of you guys didn't get to see real basketball played in the 80's.
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Here we go;

Let me ask u, who was on Boston’s squad v Jordan’s squad? Who was on Magic’s squad v. Jordan’s squad? The moment MJ got ONE running mate, chit changed. He even admitted so often he would score all these points and his team would still lose and it ate at him. He was a one man squad. It was 1 on 8. Let’s add some context to this discussion b/c I constantly hear this from Boston & Laker fans

I’m an early 80’s baby, and I saw plenty of 80’s basketball. 80’s & 90’s are the two greatest decades in NBA history. But there’s a reason y Boston & LAL dominated the 80’s.....it wasn’t just b/c of Bird & Magic....it was b/c of McHale, Parrish, Bird & DJ on one squad v Magic, Worthy, The Cap, and Coop on the other squad. These mofos had 7 HOF players between them in their starting lineup, and let’s not talk about their benches! No other team had that!
 
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