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JD08 said:
Is it okay if people get killed with knives as opposed to guns? Removing the tool doesn't make them well adjusted individuals.
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I said all things being equal. The tool does matter. When was the last time there was a mass casualty knife attack at a school, supermarket or concert? Gun controls matter. Can’t speculate on how long it would take to kill 19 students and two teachers with a knife, but it took 5min for the shooter to do so at Uvalde elementary school. Although the entire episode took 77 min, the actual killing took place between 11:32a and 1137a. The tool does matter, gun control does matter….a **** of a lot more than thoughts and prayers.
 
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RF-4CCane said:
There aren’t any Senators on all expense junkets from the NRA. The NRA is broke.
They make a good boogeyman for those that buy into the narrative put out by those with an agenda but reality is quite a different story.
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The NRA is in shambles but other organizations have risen to take their place. Overall the spending from the gun lobby has not fallen. But organizations like the NSSF now is more than 3x the spender that the NRA is.
 
genxcane said:
The NRA is in shambles but other organizations have risen to take their place. Overall the spending from the gun lobby has not fallen. But organizations like the NSSF now is more than 3x the spender that the NRA is.
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What led to the NRA being "in shambles?" Corruption, embezzlement?
 
Groz73Cane said:
I said all things being equal. The tool does matter. When was the last time there was a mass casualty knife attack at a school, supermarket or concert? Gun controls matter. Can’t speculate on how long it would take to kill 19 students and two teachers with a knife, but it took 5min for the shooter to do so at Uvalde elementary school. Although the entire episode took 77 min, the actual killing took place between 11:32a and 1137a. The tool does matter, gun control does matter….a **** of a lot more than thoughts and prayers.
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Again, these people aren't just going to become well adjusted because they don't have a gun. There are plenty of ways to take lives without guns.
 
JD08 said:
Again, these people aren't just going to become well adjusted because they don't have a gun. There are plenty of ways to take lives without guns.
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Nobody has ever argued otherwise. But it’s irrefutable that it’s easier to take a large number of lives with a gun than a knife. (Or a machete, since that was brought up)

I don’t know the solution. But I know when people bring up knives it’s a bad faith argument that indicates the conversation is going nowhere.
 
hotshot said:
What led to the NRA being "in shambles?" Corruption, embezzlement?
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In short, the leadership made a poor decision to pump $$$ into an insurance program that protected and or provided legal aid to members falsely accused of violating gun laws.
 
genxcane said:
They were also busted funneling foreign money into American politics
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LaPierre turned into a POS, no doubt. But compare the amount of foreign money allegedly pumped into American politics to that of China or George Soros into the opposing side, would be like comparing a cup of tea to a 55 gal drum of tea.
 
RF-4CCane said:
LaPierre turned into a POS, no doubt. But compare the amount of foreign money allegedly pumped into American politics to that of China or George Soros into the opposing side, would be like comparing a cup of tea to a 55 gal drum of tea.
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JFC, kool-ade much? One word.. ELON
 
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Why is that when there is a shooting involving college kids under 21, it devolves into a political maelstrom but when college students under 21 are involved or cause multi fatality car accidents, you hear nothing but crickets?

I always see people use the “In xxxx country they have less gun violence”, but they ignore that in many of those countries, driving is truly treated like a privilege?

Are you aware that the USA is one of the most lax major countries when it comes to age and drivers training to get a drivers license?
And yet vehicular deaths dwarf gun deaths here.
In Germany and Austria, you cannot drive until 18/19 and must accumulate 2000 hours of supervised driving before getting your drivers license and it’s extremely expensive compared to us.
A car can kill just as many people as a gun and we treat the issue with kid gloves.
 
Groz73Cane said:
JFC, kool-ade much? One word.. ELON
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Elon Musk? How much has he contributed to the pro or anti gun issue?
You swerved right off the issue discussed and hit a ditch.

How much money did Harris raise last election compared to Trump from billionaires?

I know you either don’t know or don’t want to answer that.

Not to mention, Elon Musk has employed more Americans and pays taxes in America, whereas George Soros has never benefitted this country in any way shape or form, other than to try and manipulate elections, just like he broke the Bank of England and is persona non grata in half a dozen countries.
 
TwentySix said:
Nobody has ever argued otherwise. But it’s irrefutable that it’s easier to take a large number of lives with a gun than a knife. (Or a machete, since that was brought up)

I don’t know the solution. But I know when people bring up knives it’s a bad faith argument that indicates the conversation is going nowhere.
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Knives, trucks, flying planes into buildings, guns, it's all the same. The conversation always goes nowhere.

The anti-gun people don't want to look at any other solution. Another segment doesn't want to look at mental health because people might discover many doctors don't actual treat, they just medicate. Yet another just wants to blame tv, music, video games, social media. Still another tries to blame ideology.

In this case, he took his mother's service pistol. What law would stop that?
 
RF-4CCane said:
Elon Musk? How much has he contributed to the pro or anti gun issue?
You swerved right off the issue discussed and hit a ditch.

How much money did Harris raise last election compared to Trump from billionaires?

I know you either don’t know or don’t want to answer that.

Not to mention, Elon Musk has employed more Americans and pays taxes in America, whereas George Soros has never benefitted this country in any way shape or form, other than to try and manipulate elections, just like he broke the Bank of England and is persona non grata in half a dozen countries.
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Glub, . Glub.. Glub.. Me Likey Kool-Ade…dry out.
 
JD08 said:
Knives, trucks, flying planes into buildings, guns, it's all the same. The conversation always goes nowhere.

The anti-gun people don't want to look at any other solution. Another segment doesn't want to look at mental health because people might discover many doctors don't actual treat, they just medicate. Yet another just wants to blame tv, music, video games, social media. Still another tries to blame ideology.

In this case, he took his mother's service pistol. What law would stop that?
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It’s the blame game where the actual problem gets buried. Until society takes an honest, hard look at its problems, and does something, nothing’s gonna change. I have no hope.
 
JD08 said:
Knives, trucks, flying planes into buildings, guns, it's all the same. The conversation always goes nowhere.

The anti-gun people don't want to look at any other solution. Another segment doesn't want to look at mental health because people might discover many doctors don't actual treat, they just medicate. Yet another just wants to blame tv, music, video games, social media. Still another tries to blame ideology.

In this case, he took his mother's service pistol. What law would stop that?
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We just had a ten-year anniversary of a German pilot committing suicide with an airplane having 150 people inside of it. He was unfit to fly, was mentally ill and suicidal and flat out didn't hand in his notices that he was unfit to fly. He tore them up and threw them away.

His fathers response was to publish an analysis that his son was fit to fly and refute any clear cut evidence that he steered an airplane into the Alps on purpose. No responsibility, no acknowledgement, nothing.

We can talk about guns all we want to, and my stance on that is very-well known in here... but it would be treating the symptom and not the problem.
 
MedleyCane said:
Agree that there are many factors leading to mass shootings, but all people who do this have something wrong with them insofar that is not normal to kill innocent people and, no, I am not
making excuses for the mass murderers. If anything, they don't deserve to breathe air.
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Agreed, but mental illness or substance abuse are not the key factors for mass shootings; these conditions are incidental. 50% of mass shootings are associated with no red flags whatsoever. Mass shootings are caused by a convergence of multiple factors, ranging from severe & acute life stressors, emotional turmoil, & a desire for notoriety/revenge

The data tells us that the peak age for violent crime in the U.S is around 19-20, & this has everything to do with a developmental gap between impulsivity & self-control because the brain doesn't fully develop until mid 20's. This developmental gap is most heightened during late adolescence, & wider in males than females. There's also overlap between this developmental gap & social sensitivity, which helps to explain why young people are more conscious of the opinions of their peers & seek their approval.

If the developmental gap between impulsivity & self-control occurs in adolescent males across all cultures, then why is it that only young American males commit acts of gun violence at this alarming rate? It's because at its core this is a problem related to access. In a country with 120 firearms per 100 residents & provides the constitutional right to carry them for self-defense; it's very difficult to keep firearms away from those most at risk for committing violent acts, without proper gun ownership practices. More than 50% of all gun owners store their firearms unlocked. This only makes it easier for individuals in crisis to gain access & leads to the theft of hundreds of thousands of guns from homes & cars each yr, helping to fuel gun violence all over the country.
 
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JD08 said:
Knives, trucks, flying planes into buildings, guns, it's all the same. The conversation always goes nowhere.

The anti-gun people don't want to look at any other solution. Another segment doesn't want to look at mental health because people might discover many doctors don't actual treat, they just medicate. Yet another just wants to blame tv, music, video games, social media. Still another tries to blame ideology.

In this case, he took his mother's service pistol. What law would stop that?
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Some don't want to enforce the laws we have... I mean... it is not legal to murder people, steal ****, vandalize other's property...
 
Angry Ibis said:
Some don't want to enforce the laws we have... I mean... it is not legal to murder people, steal ****, vandalize other's property...
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One time at work one of the women went off on how we need stricter gun laws. My response was that the ones we have now aren't being enforced, so what would more laws do. One of the guys chimed in that one of his friends was an assistant US DA and they dont pursue them much because they take a lot of time and they need to close cases. Which led me to ask the exact same question I asked the first time.
 
Evil and darkness in hearts. You can't stop it. Prince of darkness rules this world. Opened Pandora's box years ago. You can't expect morality in an immoral world.
 
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