OT:Executives - Johnny Manziel second worst pick of all time

[TemplarCane]

You guys are all nuts. Hugh Culverhouse drafting Bo Jackson #1 overall after he told them that if they did he'd go baseball, is without a doubt the worst pick of all time. They got nothing out of him.
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Tough to argue that one, especially when you consider how Hugh is personally responsible for Bo not wanting to play there. He not only drafted a guy who had told him he was gonna refuse to sign, he's also the reason that player is refusing to sign. There are so many Bucs' draft blunders over the years, some pretty **** comical ones too.

How about the time they accidentally drafted the wrong guy, literally turned in the name of a guy they didn't intend to draft.

The Most Botched NFL Draft Pick Ever | Longform - SI.com

DE Booker Reese. As a long suffering Bucs fan I remember that name well. The Bucs wanted Reese but an assistant took up a card with Penn State OL Sean Farrell's name. The Bucs promptly traded next season's first round pick for the Bear's second rounder and picked Reese. Farrell ended up a very good player for quite a few years. Reese was a bust - and the Bears drafted WR Willie Gault with Bucs pick.

Other standout trades were:

The fourth overall pick to Chicago for DE Wally Chambers. Chambers was good but had bad knees and played one season. The Bears drafted DT Dan Hampton with the Bucs pick.

A 1st round pick to Cincinnati for QB Jack Thompson. Thompson was generally below average and the pick ended up No 1 overall. New England eventually owned the pick and chose WR Irving Fryar in a weak draft.

A 1st round pick to Indianapolis for QB Chris Chandler, who was never intended to be anything more Testaverde's backup. The Bucs were their usual bad team and the pick ended up No. 2 overall. The Colts drafted bust LB Quentin Coryatt (of YouTube GOAT hit fame). The Bucs did enact some measure of revenge, getting a No. 1 back from the Colts for QB Craig Erickson.

The Bucs have made so many bad choices with No. 1 picks how they managed to draft HOFers Warren Sapp and Derrick Brooks in the same draft is mind-boggling.

 

[stormbrewing]

Akili Smith... By far the worst IMO

 

[Golsen82]

He is an entitled little bit*h with daddys money who had is 15 minutes of fame, now he can fade away into oblivion

 

[FrancisSawyer]

for those that don't know, he has a heroin problem. it will one day be more public. it is what it is. poor kid

Who is the one with the heroin problem? Manziel or Russell?

 

[d--1]

You guys are all nuts. Hugh Culverhouse drafting Bo Jackson #1 overall after he told them that if they did he'd go baseball, is without a doubt the worst pick of all time. They got nothing out of him.
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Tough to argue that one, especially when you consider how Hugh is personally responsible for Bo not wanting to play there. He not only drafted a guy who had told him he was gonna refuse to sign, he's also the reason that player is refusing to sign. There are so many Bucs' draft blunders over the years, some pretty **** comical ones too.

How about the time they accidentally drafted the wrong guy, literally turned in the name of a guy they didn't intend to draft.

The Most Botched NFL Draft Pick Ever | Longform - SI.com

DE Booker Reese. As a long suffering Bucs fan I remember that name well. The Bucs wanted Reese but an assistant took up a card with Penn State OL Sean Farrell's name. The Bucs promptly traded next season's first round pick for the Bear's second rounder and picked Reese. Farrell ended up a very good player for quite a few years. Reese was a bust - and the Bears drafted WR Willie Gault with Bucs pick.

Other standout trades were:

The fourth overall pick to Chicago for DE Wally Chambers. Chambers was good but had bad knees and played one season. The Bears drafted DT Dan Hampton with the Bucs pick.

A 1st round pick to Cincinnati for QB Jack Thompson. Thompson was generally below average and the pick ended up No 1 overall. New England eventually owned the pick and chose WR Irving Fryar in a weak draft.

A 1st round pick to Indianapolis for QB Chris Chandler, who was never intended to be anything more Testaverde's backup. The Bucs were their usual bad team and the pick ended up No. 2 overall. The Colts drafted bust LB Quentin Coryatt (of YouTube GOAT hit fame). The Bucs did enact some measure of revenge, getting a No. 1 back from the Colts for QB Craig Erickson.

The Bucs have made so many bad choices with No. 1 picks how they managed to draft HOFers Warren Sapp and Derrick Brooks in the same draft is mind-boggling.

Oh, and that next year's pick left the Bucs out of the first round of the 1983 draft. It's conceivable they could've drafted Marino with that pick, which wound up being the 18th pick.

 

[MIAMIDOMINATION]

for those that don't know, he has a heroin problem. it will one day be more public. it is what it is. poor kid

Who is the one with the heroin problem? Manziel or Russell?

Manziel was coke
Russell was an opiate but it was codene cough syrup not heroin

 

[TemplarCane]

You guys are all nuts. Hugh Culverhouse drafting Bo Jackson #1 overall after he told them that if they did he'd go baseball, is without a doubt the worst pick of all time. They got nothing out of him.
0.0

Tough to argue that one, especially when you consider how Hugh is personally responsible for Bo not wanting to play there. He not only drafted a guy who had told him he was gonna refuse to sign, he's also the reason that player is refusing to sign. There are so many Bucs' draft blunders over the years, some pretty **** comical ones too.

How about the time they accidentally drafted the wrong guy, literally turned in the name of a guy they didn't intend to draft.

The Most Botched NFL Draft Pick Ever | Longform - SI.com

DE Booker Reese. As a long suffering Bucs fan I remember that name well. The Bucs wanted Reese but an assistant took up a card with Penn State OL Sean Farrell's name. The Bucs promptly traded next season's first round pick for the Bear's second rounder and picked Reese. Farrell ended up a very good player for quite a few years. Reese was a bust - and the Bears drafted WR Willie Gault with Bucs pick.

Other standout trades were:

The fourth overall pick to Chicago for DE Wally Chambers. Chambers was good but had bad knees and played one season. The Bears drafted DT Dan Hampton with the Bucs pick.

A 1st round pick to Cincinnati for QB Jack Thompson. Thompson was generally below average and the pick ended up No 1 overall. New England eventually owned the pick and chose WR Irving Fryar in a weak draft.

A 1st round pick to Indianapolis for QB Chris Chandler, who was never intended to be anything more Testaverde's backup. The Bucs were their usual bad team and the pick ended up No. 2 overall. The Colts drafted bust LB Quentin Coryatt (of YouTube GOAT hit fame). The Bucs did enact some measure of revenge, getting a No. 1 back from the Colts for QB Craig Erickson.

The Bucs have made so many bad choices with No. 1 picks how they managed to draft HOFers Warren Sapp and Derrick Brooks in the same draft is mind-boggling.

Oh, and that next year's pick left the Bucs out of the first round of the 1983 draft. It's conceivable they could've drafted Marino with that pick, which wound up being the 18th pick.

Yes. Letting Doug Williams leave for the USFL and trading a No. 1 pick to draft Reese set the franchise back more than a decade.

In the end Tampa Bay spent 5 No. 1 picks on QBs during Marino's career- Jack Thompson (trade), Steve Young (USFL Supplemental Pick), Vinny Testaverde, Chris Chandler (trade), and Trent Dilfer, plus second round picks for Steve DeBerg (trade) and Shawn King.

Ugh

 

[Boarcane]

for those that don't know, he has a heroin problem. it will one day be more public. it is what it is. poor kid

Who is the one with the heroin problem? Manziel or Russell?

Manziel was coke
Russell was an opiate but it was codene cough syrup not heroin

manziel is heroin. it's not public but most everyone in the league and Cleveland knows.

 

[Zbrod95]

You guys are all nuts. Hugh Culverhouse drafting Bo Jackson [URL=https://www.canesinsight.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=1]#1 [/URL] overall after he told them that if they did he'd go baseball, is without a doubt the worst pick of all time. They got nothing out of him.
0.0

Tough to argue that one, especially when you consider how Hugh is personally responsible for Bo not wanting to play there. He not only drafted a guy who had told him he was gonna refuse to sign, he's also the reason that player is refusing to sign. There are so many Bucs' draft blunders over the years, some pretty **** comical ones too.

How about the time they accidentally drafted the wrong guy, literally turned in the name of a guy they didn't intend to draft.

The Most Botched NFL Draft Pick Ever | Longform - SI.com

DE Booker Reese. As a long suffering Bucs fan I remember that name well. The Bucs wanted Reese but an assistant took up a card with Penn State OL Sean Farrell's name. The Bucs promptly traded next season's first round pick for the Bear's second rounder and picked Reese. Farrell ended up a very good player for quite a few years. Reese was a bust - and the Bears drafted WR Willie Gault with Bucs pick.

Other standout trades were:

The fourth overall pick to Chicago for DE Wally Chambers. Chambers was good but had bad knees and played one season. The Bears drafted DT Dan Hampton with the Bucs pick.

A 1st round pick to Cincinnati for QB Jack Thompson. Thompson was generally below average and the pick ended up No 1 overall. New England eventually owned the pick and chose WR Irving Fryar in a weak draft.

A 1st round pick to Indianapolis for QB Chris Chandler, who was never intended to be anything more Testaverde's backup. The Bucs were their usual bad team and the pick ended up No. 2 overall. The Colts drafted bust LB Quentin Coryatt (of YouTube GOAT hit fame). The Bucs did enact some measure of revenge, getting a No. 1 back from the Colts for QB Craig Erickson.

The Bucs have made so many bad choices with No. 1 picks how they managed to draft HOFers Warren Sapp and Derrick Brooks in the same draft is mind-boggling.

Oh, and that next year's pick left the Bucs out of the first round of the 1983 draft. It's conceivable they could've drafted Marino with that pick, which wound up being the 18th pick.

Yes. Letting Doug Williams leave for the USFL and trading a No. 1 pick to draft Reese set the franchise back more than a decade.

In the end Tampa Bay spent 5 No. 1 picks on QBs during Marino's career- Jack Thompson (trade), Steve Young (USFL Supplemental Pick), Vinny Testaverde, Chris Chandler (trade), and Trent Dilfer, plus second round picks for Steve DeBerg (trade) and Shawn King.

Ugh

Love how 2 of the 5 #1 picks became pro bowlers elsewhere lol

 

[User-4525]

for those that don't know, he has a heroin problem. it will one day be more public. it is what it is. poor kid

Who is the one with the heroin problem? Manziel or Russell?

Manziel was coke
Russell was an opiate but it was codene cough syrup not heroin

manziel is heroin. it's not public but most everyone in the league and Cleveland knows.

if this were true and so many people (including yourself) knew, I think it would've gone public

 

[Zbrod95]

for those that don't know, he has a heroin problem. it will one day be more public. it is what it is. poor kid

Who is the one with the heroin problem? Manziel or Russell?

Manziel was coke
Russell was an opiate but it was codene cough syrup not heroin

manziel is heroin. it's not public but most everyone in the league and Cleveland knows.

if this were true and so many people (including yourself) knew, I think it would've gone public

Yup and btw no NFL personnel guy would ever release info like that due to privacy clauses unless he was a executive or GM.

 

[Winky is Wright]

for those that don't know, he has a heroin problem. it will one day be more public. it is what it is. poor kid

Who is the one with the heroin problem? Manziel or Russell?

Manziel was coke
Russell was an opiate but it was codene cough syrup not heroin

manziel is heroin. it's not public but most everyone in the league and Cleveland knows.

I really hope this a terrible troll attempt.

You honestly can't believe this is true. It's 2016. The press knows every time this kid takes a dump, yet you think he's sneaking around doing heroin?!

Lol

 

[1mg of Epi]

There was that pic of him holding the rolled up bill... Coulda been snorting anything.

 

[Boarcane]

for those that don't know, he has a heroin problem. it will one day be more public. it is what it is. poor kid

Who is the one with the heroin problem? Manziel or Russell?

Manziel was coke
Russell was an opiate but it was codene cough syrup not heroin

manziel is heroin. it's not public but most everyone in the league and Cleveland knows.

I really hope this a terrible troll attempt.

You honestly can't believe this is true. It's 2016. The press knows every time this kid takes a dump, yet you think he's sneaking around doing heroin?!

Lol

it is true. most everyone does know. it is sad. fwiw he isn't sneaking around. thats why he went to rehab and doesn't have a job. coke, weed, heroin and designer drugs are all main stream now. heroin is sold in pill form now if you didn't know. its in many suburbs now. i wish he was just a drunk. thats his drug and thats why he fell off the rails. believe it or don't, it doesn't matter anymore. his career is over.

 

[plantcity3]

Johnny on them mollys hard. Pure X for anyone who don't know.

 

[perfect5storm]

A first round bust is a first round bust, if you ask me. The fact that he partied and wasted his opportunities doesn't make a 22nd overall pick worse than a top 10 bust. You don't think those other guys from decades past partied and squandered their chances just the same as Johnny did? Of course they did. The Browns are idiots for thinking he would be a good QB, partier or not. He was never all that accurate in college. He doesn't have the size to be able to take the pounding of being a run-heavy QB at the NFL level, and that was always his game in college. Dude should've been a 4th rounder, just based on his skillset.

As for all-time NFL busts, to me the biggest busts are when a team picks the only bad pick out of the top 5 players taken in that draft as the Packers did in 1989. Literally 4 out of the top 5 were HOFers, first ballot, no doubt HOFers, and you drafted a steroided out freak of a bust who flamed out in like 3 or 4 years. The Mandarich bust (and dude was all over Sports Illustrated getting hyped up at the time) is way underrated.

1. Troy Aikman - Dallas
2. Tony Mandarich - Green Bay
3. Barry Sanders - Detroit
4. Derrick Thomas - Kansas City
5. Deion Sanders - Atlanta

Or how about when you're deciding between two players high in the draft at the same position. Leaf was a bust, no doubt about it, but San Diego didn't exactly have the chance to take Manning. Or how about the Buccaneers in 1990. They needed LB. They were picking top 5 in the draft with a decision to make on two top 5 caliber LBs. Here's how they handled that one.

4. Keith McCants - Tampa Bay (total bust. Out of the league within 4 years.)
5. Junior Seau - San Diego (HOFer)

There have been so many worse busts than Manziel. These are only 2 out of numerous others. You could basically look at the top 5 picks every year from 1989-1999 and find at least one every year who was a total bust much worse than Manziel.

Mandarich had a 2 part career. Yes he was overhyped. I remember him talking about fighting Tyson for like 10 million . That said after his flame out in Green Bay he left football for 2 years went to rehab and came back to play for the Colts for 3 solid seasons though not spectacular. Was on Peyton's Rookie team. Retired after a shoulder injury. Quite a story of redemption. So yes a bust for the Packers but winded up with an average NFL career.

 

[The Franchise]

A first round bust is a first round bust, if you ask me. The fact that he partied and wasted his opportunities doesn't make a 22nd overall pick worse than a top 10 bust. You don't think those other guys from decades past partied and squandered their chances just the same as Johnny did? Of course they did. The Browns are idiots for thinking he would be a good QB, partier or not. He was never all that accurate in college. He doesn't have the size to be able to take the pounding of being a run-heavy QB at the NFL level, and that was always his game in college. Dude should've been a 4th rounder, just based on his skillset.

As for all-time NFL busts, to me the biggest busts are when a team picks the only bad pick out of the top 5 players taken in that draft as the Packers did in 1989. Literally 4 out of the top 5 were HOFers, first ballot, no doubt HOFers, and you drafted a steroided out freak of a bust who flamed out in like 3 or 4 years. The Mandarich bust (and dude was all over Sports Illustrated getting hyped up at the time) is way underrated.

1. Troy Aikman - Dallas
2. Tony Mandarich - Green Bay
3. Barry Sanders - Detroit
4. Derrick Thomas - Kansas City
5. Deion Sanders - Atlanta

Or how about when you're deciding between two players high in the draft at the same position. Leaf was a bust, no doubt about it, but San Diego didn't exactly have the chance to take Manning. Or how about the Buccaneers in 1990. They needed LB. They were picking top 5 in the draft with a decision to make on two top 5 caliber LBs. Here's how they handled that one.

4. Keith McCants - Tampa Bay (total bust. Out of the league within 4 years.)
5. Junior Seau - San Diego (HOFer)

There have been so many worse busts than Manziel. These are only 2 out of numerous others. You could basically look at the top 5 picks every year from 1989-1999 and find at least one every year who was a total bust much worse than Manziel.

Mandarich had a 2 part career. Yes he was overhyped. I remember him talking about fighting Tyson for like 10 million . That said after his flame out in Green Bay he left football for 2 years went to rehab and came back to play for the Colts for 3 solid seasons though not spectacular. Was on Peyton's Rookie team. Retired after a shoulder injury. Quite a story of redemption. So yes a bust for the Packers but winded up with an average NFL career.

Still an all-time monumentally epic bust especially considering the string of Hall of Famers drafted after his sorry ***.

 

[Zbrod95]

A first round bust is a first round bust, if you ask me. The fact that he partied and wasted his opportunities doesn't make a 22nd overall pick worse than a top 10 bust. You don't think those other guys from decades past partied and squandered their chances just the same as Johnny did? Of course they did. The Browns are idiots for thinking he would be a good QB, partier or not. He was never all that accurate in college. He doesn't have the size to be able to take the pounding of being a run-heavy QB at the NFL level, and that was always his game in college. Dude should've been a 4th rounder, just based on his skillset.

As for all-time NFL busts, to me the biggest busts are when a team picks the only bad pick out of the top 5 players taken in that draft as the Packers did in 1989. Literally 4 out of the top 5 were HOFers, first ballot, no doubt HOFers, and you drafted a steroided out freak of a bust who flamed out in like 3 or 4 years. The Mandarich bust (and dude was all over Sports Illustrated getting hyped up at the time) is way underrated.

1. Troy Aikman - Dallas
2. Tony Mandarich - Green Bay
3. Barry Sanders - Detroit
4. Derrick Thomas - Kansas City
5. Deion Sanders - Atlanta

Or how about when you're deciding between two players high in the draft at the same position. Leaf was a bust, no doubt about it, but San Diego didn't exactly have the chance to take Manning. Or how about the Buccaneers in 1990. They needed LB. They were picking top 5 in the draft with a decision to make on two top 5 caliber LBs. Here's how they handled that one.

4. Keith McCants - Tampa Bay (total bust. Out of the league within 4 years.)
5. Junior Seau - San Diego (HOFer)

There have been so many worse busts than Manziel. These are only 2 out of numerous others. You could basically look at the top 5 picks every year from 1989-1999 and find at least one every year who was a total bust much worse than Manziel.

Mandarich had a 2 part career. Yes he was overhyped. I remember him talking about fighting Tyson for like 10 million . That said after his flame out in Green Bay he left football for 2 years went to rehab and came back to play for the Colts for 3 solid seasons though not spectacular. Was on Peyton's Rookie team. Retired after a shoulder injury. Quite a story of redemption. So yes a bust for the Packers but winded up with an average NFL career.

Still an all-time monumentally epic bust especially considering the string of Hall of Famers drafted after his sorry ***.

yea, unfortunately for Mandarich he's the Todd Blackledge of the 89 class because even though Sammie Smith is a bigger bust just like Tim Harris was a bigger bust than Todd Blackledge, they only remember the people who were picked after him or in Todd's case the QB's picked after him

 

[Boarcane]

for those that don't know, he has a heroin problem. it will one day be more public. it is what it is. poor kid

Who is the one with the heroin problem? Manziel or Russell?

Manziel was coke
Russell was an opiate but it was codene cough syrup not heroin

And so it begins… TMZ reports "shockingly thin"
It's not proof, but it is the beginning of the story of heroin becoming public. TMZ will eventually just say it.

Johnny Manziel appears shockingly thin partying in Las Vegas - NY Daily News

 

[The Franchise]

"Shockingly thin?" I hope it's the AIDS.