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OT:Executives - Johnny Manziel second worst pick of all time

Zbrod95 said:
The Franchise said:
More goofy hyperbole. There's no way a guy picked that low in the 1st round could be anywhere near the top of all-time busts. He's not even in the same stratosphere as Sizzurp Russell.
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Todd marinovich was picked 22nd and he's considered one of the top 5 all time busts in NFL history and ironically his story is similar to Johnny's
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Who considers Marinovich a top 5 bust? That's more foolishness.
 
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I forgot about Lief who definitely was the worse. Indy had the first pick and it was between Manning and Lief. It was close. Lief had a great college career and measurables close to Manning. My guess is that this time great vetting by Indy exposed some red flags with Lief that contributed to his ultimate failure.
 
EJ Manuel and Christian Ponder have to be up there. In terms of play no doubt they are up there.

Manziel showed flashes of a good player but his off field issues is all that makes him worse than many others mentioned in this thread.
 
Russell and Leaf have to be 1-2, at least in the modern era of the draft. Akili Smith, Andre Ward, and David Klingler are right behind them.

Tampa Bay drafting Bo Jackson would be the biggest mistake in NFL draft history. The Bucs deliberately caused Bo to lose his eligibility for his senior year of baseball. They drafted him despite being told he would not sign with them. First overall pick with no return.
 
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michaeldiamond74 said:
Boarcane said:
for those that don't know, he has a heroin problem. it will one day be more public. it is what it is. poor kid
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Where did you hear that BC?
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My best friend of over 30 years lives in Cleveland. He's successful and has current and past Browns as drinking buddies. He tells me it common knowledge. He told me a LONG time ago that he had this problem and i'm "guessing" thats why no one has picked the kid up. It's truly a 30 for 30. I'm sure, in a few years, we'll all be reading about it on espn.
 
A first round bust is a first round bust, if you ask me. The fact that he partied and wasted his opportunities doesn't make a 22nd overall pick worse than a top 10 bust. You don't think those other guys from decades past partied and squandered their chances just the same as Johnny did? Of course they did. The Browns are idiots for thinking he would be a good QB, partier or not. He was never all that accurate in college. He doesn't have the size to be able to take the pounding of being a run-heavy QB at the NFL level, and that was always his game in college. Dude should've been a 4th rounder, just based on his skillset.

As for all-time NFL busts, to me the biggest busts are when a team picks the only bad pick out of the top 5 players taken in that draft as the Packers did in 1989. Literally 4 out of the top 5 were HOFers, first ballot, no doubt HOFers, and you drafted a steroided out freak of a bust who flamed out in like 3 or 4 years. The Mandarich bust (and dude was all over Sports Illustrated getting hyped up at the time) is way underrated.

1. Troy Aikman - Dallas
2. Tony Mandarich - Green Bay
3. Barry Sanders - Detroit
4. Derrick Thomas - Kansas City
5. Deion Sanders - Atlanta

Or how about when you're deciding between two players high in the draft at the same position. Leaf was a bust, no doubt about it, but San Diego didn't exactly have the chance to take Manning. Or how about the Buccaneers in 1990. They needed LB. They were picking top 5 in the draft with a decision to make on two top 5 caliber LBs. Here's how they handled that one.

4. Keith McCants - Tampa Bay (total bust. Out of the league within 4 years.)
5. Junior Seau - San Diego (HOFer)

There have been so many worse busts than Manziel. These are only 2 out of numerous others. You could basically look at the top 5 picks every year from 1989-1999 and find at least one every year who was a total bust much worse than Manziel.
 
Could've been serviceable/decent in the right system, potentially a better Alex smith imo... Ya know if he went to a competent franchise
 
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d--1 said:
A first round bust is a first round bust, if you ask me. The fact that he partied and wasted his opportunities doesn't make a 22nd overall pick worse than a top 10 bust. You don't think those other guys from decades past partied and squandered their chances just the same as Johnny did? Of course they did. The Browns are idiots for thinking he would be a good QB, partier or not. He was never all that accurate in college. He doesn't have the size to be able to take the pounding of being a run-heavy QB at the NFL level, and that was always his game in college. Dude should've been a 4th rounder, just based on his skillset.

As for all-time NFL busts, to me the biggest busts are when a team picks the only bad pick out of the top 5 players taken in that draft as the Packers did in 1989. Literally 4 out of the top 5 were HOFers, first ballot, no doubt HOFers, and you drafted a steroided out freak of a bust who flamed out in like 3 or 4 years. The Mandarich bust (and dude was all over Sports Illustrated getting hyped up at the time) is way underrated.

1. Troy Aikman - Dallas
2. Tony Mandarich - Green Bay
3. Barry Sanders - Detroit
4. Derrick Thomas - Kansas City
5. Deion Sanders - Atlanta

Or how about when you're deciding between two players high in the draft at the same position. Leaf was a bust, no doubt about it, but San Diego didn't exactly have the chance to take Manning. Or how about the Buccaneers in 1990. They needed LB. They were picking top 5 in the draft with a decision to make on two top 5 caliber LBs. Here's how they handled that one.

4. Keith McCants - Tampa Bay (total bust. Out of the league within 4 years.)
5. Junior Seau - San Diego (HOFer)

There have been so many worse busts than Manziel. These are only 2 out of numerous others. You could basically look at the top 5 picks every year from 1989-1999 and find at least one every year who was a total bust much worse than Manziel.
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Or how about the teams that picked Todd Blackledge and Ken O'Brien instead of Dan Marino in the 1st round? Those are certainly bigger busts than Manziel when viewed in the context that they needed QBs and took those 2 cumbum busts instead of one of the greatest ever.
 
mjackson6 said:
EJ Manuel and Christian Ponder have to be up there. In terms of play no doubt they are up there.

Manziel showed flashes of a good player but his off field issues is all that makes him worse than many others mentioned in this thread.
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I agree, the only difference is Johnny had more hype! Leaf was the biggest QB on field bust ever! He doesn't have the same excuse as Johnny totally different busts. IMO Leaf was sorry.... flat out!
 
Rick mirer, Dan Macguire, David Klinger, Tim Couch, Jeff George,
 
You guys are all nuts. Hugh Culverhouse drafting Bo Jackson #1 overall after he told them that if they did he'd go baseball, is without a doubt the worst pick of all time. They got nothing out of him.
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wisecane said:
You guys are all nuts. Hugh Culverhouse drafting Bo Jackson #1 overall after he told them that if they did he'd go baseball, is without a doubt the worst pick of all time. They got nothing out of him.
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Tough to argue that one, especially when you consider how Hugh is personally responsible for Bo not wanting to play there. He not only drafted a guy who had told him he was gonna refuse to sign, he's also the reason that player is refusing to sign. There are so many Bucs' draft blunders over the years, some pretty **** comical ones too.

How about the time they accidentally drafted the wrong guy, literally turned in the name of a guy they didn't intend to draft.

The Most Botched NFL Draft Pick Ever | Longform - SI.com
 
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The Franchise said:
More goofy hyperbole. There's no way a guy picked that low in the 1st round could be anywhere near the top of all-time busts. He's not even in the same stratosphere as Sizzurp Russell.
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exactly. I mean all you have to do is look a few picks down in that same draft to find an even worse pick. Marcus Smith to the Eagles in the first round and the guy can't even get on the field to play special teams he's so bad. The media just loves writing stories about Johnny. It's never gonna stop
 
akili smith
tim couch (another brown lol)
ryan leaf
jamarcus russel
**** rg3...
and sam bradford

there are way more 1st round busts than there are late round gems (like tom brady joe montana, jerry rice etc.)
 
Mamula finished with 31.5 career sacks, 8 FF, and 77 games played in 5 full seasons. For an Eagles fan, it stung because that draft was loaded. His career was underwhelming, but I've seen worse. For example, two years later the Eagles picked DE Jon Harris in the 1st round. He lasted 8 games with the Eagles and his career consisted of 2 total sacks.
 
MIAMIDOMINATION said:
akili smith
tim couch (another brown lol)
ryan leaf
jamarcus russel
**** rg3...
and sam bradford

there are way more 1st round busts than there are late round gems (like tom brady joe montana, jerry rice etc.)
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Jerry Rice was a first round pick and Joe Montana was a third round pick....those aren't late round picks
 
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