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Rickd said:
Yeah ... but there IS a point ... how the heck can you even consider rebuilding anything on those "barrier islands" ( aka sandbars) with anybody providing insurance? It is a guaranteed loss ... anything built there will be wiped out ... again .... soon.
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Please stop it. Pine Island is the biggest barrier island in Florida. It's not a sandbar.

Now, the issues of burying power lines and building houses at a higher elevations is relevant. But your over-generalization about "sandbars" and "insurance" is just ignorant.

There is a ton of flooding in Orlando, where the county "flood insurance" coverage percentages stand at around 3%, and Orlando is no "sandbar".

Just...kindly...STFU with that nonsense.

Gonna be a lot of moaning and bleating when Miami gets hit with an Ian-level storm, particularly when coastal areas near downtown Miami ALREADY flood when they get a couple inches of rain in one hour.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
Look, I'm sorry, but that's really not the situation.

There are definitely some nice houses out on Sanibel and Captiva. But over 1/3 of Sanibel is a nature preserve. There are also quite a few hotels and restaurants for the tourism trade.

And let's not forget, the Sanibel/Captiva people who will never recover...were the ones living in mobile homes. It's not popular or common awareness, but there were a ton of mobile homes on ALL of those islands that got wiped out.

The smaller San Carlos Island (the one in between Fort Myers Beach and the mainland, where the San Carlos Boulevard beach causeway is coming back down to ground level)...the residential space on that island was more than 50% mobile homes.

Let's not make this about "rich and irresponsible people", because that's just inaccurate.
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They know NOTHING about Ding Darling Wildlife Preserve...
 
SWFLHurricane said:
They know NOTHING about Ding Darling Wildlife Preserve...
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Exactly.

And you are correct, there are actually some very wealthy folks on Sanibel-Captiva. But mobile homes as well. That's why I always liked going out there, it wasn't just "one thing". It wasn't ALL tourism. It wasn't ALL gated houses. It wasn't ALL development.

I know you're confident about spots on Captiva coming back, but I'm not as sure about Sanibel. You won't even have enough people living there to work the service industry.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Exactly.

And you are correct, there are actually some very wealthy folks on Sanibel-Captiva. But mobile homes as well. That's why I always liked going out there, it wasn't just "one thing". It wasn't ALL tourism. It wasn't ALL gated houses. It wasn't ALL development.

I know you're confident about spots on Captiva coming back, but I'm not as sure about Sanibel. You won't even have enough people living there to work the service industry.
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You 'll see it slowly change. There was a waterfront trailer park in Jupiter that sold out for big money and up in Jensen on the water, people have been buying the trailer lots and putting up 3 story houses on the tiny little lot. Money will always win.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Exactly.

And you are correct, there are actually some very wealthy folks on Sanibel-Captiva. But mobile homes as well. That's why I always liked going out there, it wasn't just "one thing". It wasn't ALL tourism. It wasn't ALL gated houses. It wasn't ALL development.

I know you're confident about spots on Captiva coming back, but I'm not as sure about Sanibel. You won't even have enough people living there to work the service industry.
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(As I've discussed with you in person) Shortly after Culinary school I did my apprenticeship at South Seas Plantation...and then later on at Tween Waters....I lived on both properties (as other employees did) because of the 20+ miles to Ft Myers...so you're correct in that.
 
JD08 said:
You 'll see it slowly change. There was a waterfront trailer park in Jupiter that sold out for big money and up in Jensen on the water, people have been buying the trailer lots and putting up 3 story houses on the tiny little lot. Money will always win.
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Very true. Eventually, the coastal areas gentrify. The only real variable is speed/timing.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Please stop it. Pine Island is the biggest barrier island in Florida. It's not a sandbar.

Now, the issues of burying power lines and building houses at a higher elevations is relevant. But your over-generalization about "sandbars" and "insurance" is just ignorant.

There is a ton of flooding in Orlando, where the county "flood insurance" coverage percentages stand at around 3%, and Orlando is no "sandbar".

Just...kindly...STFU with that nonsense.

Gonna be a lot of moaning and bleating when Miami gets hit with an Ian-level storm, particularly when coastal areas near downtown Miami ALREADY flood when they get a couple inches of rain in one hour.
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Stop with the STFU comments. Yeah ... there is flooding in Orlando and all along the St. Johns River .... the river just crested late yesterday at the highest flood level recorded. Huge difference in flooding from lake / river rise and having homes and businesses totally washed off of their foundations by 12' and higher storm surges. Comments regarding INSURANCE are not ignorant ... that is going to be a huge issue for anybody attempting to rebuild in those areas that were decimated by the storm surges.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Please stop it. Pine Island is the biggest barrier island in Florida. It's not a sandbar.

Now, the issues of burying power lines and building houses at a higher elevations is relevant. But your over-generalization about "sandbars" and "insurance" is just ignorant.

There is a ton of flooding in Orlando, where the county "flood insurance" coverage percentages stand at around 3%, and Orlando is no "sandbar".

Just...kindly...STFU with that nonsense.

Gonna be a lot of moaning and bleating when Miami gets hit with an Ian-level storm, particularly when coastal areas near downtown Miami ALREADY flood when they get a couple inches of rain in one hour.
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orlando got hit really bad w flooding during Ian and that was just a tropical storm by the time it came nearby.
 
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SWFLHurricane said:
It's still terribly flooded...all around UCF and Rouse Rd....my buddy is still dealing with issues.
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my buddy lives off of rouse between colonial and university and his neighborhood had to evaced right after the storm bc the water rose to their garage (all the houses are on a slope too so its not leveled w the street). they had to boat out of there
 
Rickd said:
Stop with the STFU comments. Yeah ... there is flooding in Orlando and all along the St. Johns River .... the river just crested late yesterday at the highest flood level recorded. Huge difference in flooding from lake / river rise and having homes and businesses totally washed off of their foundations by 12' and higher storm surges. Comments regarding INSURANCE are not ignorant ... that is going to be a huge issue for anybody attempting to rebuild in those areas that were decimated by the storm surges.
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It's funny how you try to launder one of your hot takes (and my response to it) by suddenly citing facts and figures, as if you are now going to post responsibly, and that people are unaware of the facts without your illumination.

Again, I know exactly what is going on in Orlando. I've lived there and/or had family living their for 50 years. I also lived in the Fort Myers area for nearly 10 years and still have a lot of close friends down there.

You felt compelled to be dismissive of the issues facing those who live on the coast, on these "sandbars" as you call them, so you got a richly-deserved STFU.

You just had to over-generalize with inaccurate crap like this: "It is a guaranteed loss ... anything built there will be wiped out ... again .... soon." Not true. Plenty of houses survived the storm, they just need to be built better and differently. There's no "guaranteed loss".

Nobody said it wasn't going to be challenging, but snide insults and ignorant remarks such as yours are not the way to go.
 
SWFLHurricane said:
It's still terribly flooded...all around UCF and Rouse Rd....my buddy is still dealing with issues.
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Yep. Have some friends up in Geneva too. Not sure if they've managed to open up State Road 46 between Sanford and I-95, but I know a lot of the residential streets are still flooded.
 
Zbrod95 said:
A couple of my friends were part of the USAR group and the firefighters that volunteered to go over there. Everybody is doing great work in an area that was devastated.
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Obviously don't know the specifics of your friends but it seems like if you're military and over there then you're the ones deserving of most of the praise and hero type worship.

People tend to lazily confuse that with capitalism and all the non-local linemen in the area. They're absolutely needed but those guys also are ca$$$$hing in and spending their free time eating at steakhouses and frequenting strip clubs. Again, moar power to them but the effusive hero praise is a bit much.
 
hoops156 said:
for any FL residents who had damage after Ian, feel free to dm me for any tips or advice about dealing w your carrier.
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My Condo Association fees will go up around $50 a month...but atleast they didn't drain the reserve. Me and the GF have Storm Shutters...unfortunately some owners on the ground Floor did not. It'll be mandatory real soon.
 
SWFLHurricane said:
My Condo Association fees will go up around $50 a month...but atleast they didn't drain the reserve. Me and the GF have Storm Shutters...unfortunately some owners on the ground Floor did not. It'll be mandatory real soon.
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im surprised it wasn't before. SFL is gonna be in for a world of hurt if an Ian type storm hits. its not close to ready esp w all the older houses still around and the poor drainage issues around Edgewater and Brickell
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
It's funny how you try to launder one of your hot takes (and my response to it) by suddenly citing facts and figures, as if you are now going to post responsibly, and that people are unaware of the facts without your illumination.

Again, I know exactly what is going on in Orlando. I've lived there and/or had family living their for 50 years. I also lived in the Fort Myers area for nearly 10 years and still have a lot of close friends down there.

You felt compelled to be dismissive of the issues facing those who live on the coast, on these "sandbars" as you call them, so you got a richly-deserved STFU.

You just had to over-generalize with inaccurate crap like this: "It is a guaranteed loss ... anything built there will be wiped out ... again .... soon." Not true. Plenty of houses survived the storm, they just need to be built better and differently. There's no "guaranteed loss".

Nobody said it wasn't going to be challenging, but snide insults and ignorant remarks such as yours are not the way to go.
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WTF ... snide insults? "Post Responsibly"? You are one delicate little individual. Dismissive of the issues facing those who live on the coast??? Where did you invent THAT comment from?

It is going to be a genuine challenge for people living at low elevations .... 3-5' elevations .... on the islands that are primarily sand based like Sanibel, Captiva, North Captiva. Those locales are actually protecting Pine Island which does have a coral rock base and some elevations that are much higher. Flood insurance is going to be extremely expensive and structural designs would make a lot more sense if they gravitated to the designs used in the Caraballe to St Joe area after their last major hit .... most new coastal homes are being built on concrete pilings with 10-12' clearance under neath. It is going to be a long road back to anything resembling "normalcy" for those that were devastated. How many people there actually HAD flood insurance? That will make the road back much more difficult if not impossible for many. FEMA aid to people without flood insurance is quite limited.
 
SWFLHurricane said:
My Condo Association fees will go up around $50 a month...but atleast they didn't drain the reserve. Me and the GF have Storm Shutters...unfortunately some owners on the ground Floor did not. It'll be mandatory real soon.
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When Charley hit, it was our first storm in the Cape Coral house. I actually found those metal "cleats" at Home Depot, where you could buy a sheet of plywood to fit INSIDE of your window frame, and then put these metal clips around the edge of the plywood to wedge it into your cement window frame. The cleats on the bottom had teeth, and it kinda scratched the cement bottom of the outside windowsill, but it was WAY less damaging than ******** plywood onto the side of your house. I even had Home Depot custom cut a piece of plywood to fit a front window that was arched at the top.

Took about an hour to put up all our plywood, and less than an hour to pop them all out. Had a "Ted's Shed" (back when they had a manufacturing facility in Estero), and then we put all the wood and cleats away in the shed after the storm. Easy, and zero-point-zero storm damage (no flooding with Charley, just wind damage). LCEC sucked even back then, we were without power for a few days, but I had a Honda generator that I bought at the Northern Tool & Equipment out by US 41.

Oh, and my brother lent me a few extra guns, which we didn't need or use. The National Guard did a pretty good job of restoring a sense of order.
 
Rickd said:
WTF ... snide insults? "Post Responsibly"? You are one delicate little individual. Dismissive of the issues facing those who live on the coast??? Where did you invent THAT comment from?

It is going to be a genuine challenge for people living at low elevations .... 3-5' elevations .... on the islands that are primarily sand based like Sanibel, Captiva, North Captiva. Those locales are actually protecting Pine Island which does have a coral rock base and some elevations that are much higher. Flood insurance is going to be extremely expensive and structural designs would make a lot more sense if they gravitated to the designs used in the Caraballe to St Joe area after their last major hit .... most new coastal homes are being built on concrete pilings with 10-12' clearance under neath. It is going to be a long road back to anything resembling "normalcy" for those that were devastated. How many people there actually HAD flood insurance? That will make the road back much more difficult if not impossible for many. FEMA aid to people without flood insurance is quite limited.
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Cut the crap, snowflake. I realize you've been pouring on the facts and figures since your hot-take about "sandbars" and "guaranteed losses".

This isn't like calling for Gattis to be fired.

Yeah, now you are trying to be responsible and talk about insurance and rebuilding. But that's not the irresponsible hot take you started with.

Re-read your first post. It's pure jacka$$ery. Just be honest about it and admit that you shot off your mouth. You don't have to pretend you don't know what I objected to, I freakin' quoted you. Who are you, Herschel Walker, where you can't remember what you just said?
 
SWFLHurricane said:
It's still terribly flooded...all around UCF and Rouse Rd....my buddy is still dealing with issues.
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Big issue in Central Florida is the St Johns River, since it flows NORTH it brings the storm water runoff from as far south as Boca and keeps collecting drainage water from the swamps, streams, and rivers that feed the St. Johns until it empties into the Atlantic in Jacksonville. Ian passed, and the St. Johns River continued to rise, flooding virtually every marina on the rivers and the lakes (Lake Jessup ... close to UCF), Lake Monroe in Sanford, Lake Beresford in DeLand. Astor has been flooded for weeks. The St. Johns FINALLY crested last night in DeLand at the highest flood level recorded, surpassing the prior record established in 1930. It is projected to remain pretty stable at this high level for 7-10 days and then gradually receding. Nobody knows for sure how long it will take to recede to levels that will permit people with flooded homes on the river and adjoining lakes to BEGIN repairs. It was eerie to witness ... the storm passed and everybody was OK ... clear, sunny skies, and then the water levels really took off and increased over 4' in a weeks time. People who had breathed a sigh of relief after Ian passed were now watching helplessly as the flooding commenced. Sad.
 
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