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Saviorcane said:
Oh you said that later , but I already quoted your first quote . Like I said maybe you should edit faster next time. Get back on that medic bus son
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Look dude I can only edit so fast.... and I’m strictly an engine slug homey!
 
Does anyone believe this is more likely to land at bama's doorstep than ours? Does anyone have trouble believing that we end up the sacrificial lamb allowing everybody else to shake their heads in disgust and go about their business?

I'm not kidding, there's terrible momentum to keep things rolling. There's too much money involved to let ncaa football collapse or be too badly embarrassed. The story will have to be that a few schools broke the rules to get to the top, not that top schools got there by breaking rules.

I want bama busted as much as anyone, but they're now too big to fail.
 
1mg of Epi said:
Ok you guys are missing my point. I don’t think I worded my question properly.

What’s illegal about paying someone to do something that isn’t inherently illegal?

I could understand if the payee were being charged w tax evasion, but what is the payor doing that’s illegal?
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I don't think there's anything illegal beyond not reporting to the government, but think about how seriously they take that sht
. It is however a huge breach of ncaa rules. That won't get you put in prison, but it will get your team killed.
 
kryptonite said:
I don't think there's anything illegal beyond not reporting to the government, but think about how seriously they take that sht
. It is however a huge breach of ncaa rules. That won't get you put in prison, but it will get your team killed.
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Agree.. but they’re being charged with bribery. Curious why that’s illegal for inherently legal actions.
 
1mg of Epi said:
The NCAA does not make criminal law... so what are the wire fraud charges related to? Whats the underlying crime? They haven’t been charged with tax crimes.
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Simply read about the case and POOF words, they tell you what they are charged with. Bribery is the main charge and then the rest stem from paying the bribes and so on.

Each of the coaches is charged with bribery conspiracy, solicitation of bribes, honest services fraud conspiracy, honest service fraud, conspiracy to commit wire fraud and Travel Act conspiracy. The U.S. Department of Justice said each of the coaches faces a maximum sentence of 80 years in prison. Using wiretaps, surveillance video, undercover agents and cooperating witnesses, the FBI was able to document coaches accepting bribes to steer their players to certain financial advisers and/or business managers. In other cases, high-ranking Adidas employees worked with others to pay prospective student-athletes' families to ensure the players signed with Adidas-sponsored schools and then signed with Adidas once they turned pro, the complaint alleges.
 
pumbaa said:
Simply read about the case and POOF words, they tell you what they are charged with. Bribery is the main charge and then the rest stem from paying the bribes and so on.

Each of the coaches is charged with bribery conspiracy, solicitation of bribes, honest services fraud conspiracy, honest service fraud, conspiracy to commit wire fraud and Travel Act conspiracy. The U.S. Department of Justice said each of the coaches faces a maximum sentence of 80 years in prison. Using wiretaps, surveillance video, undercover agents and cooperating witnesses, the FBI was able to document coaches accepting bribes to steer their players to certain financial advisers and/or business managers. In other cases, high-ranking Adidas employees worked with others to pay prospective student-athletes' families to ensure the players signed with Adidas-sponsored schools and then signed with Adidas once they turned pro, the complaint alleges.
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Yea I get that. Why is it a bribe to pay someone to do something inherently legal. If I pay a gov official for a favor or contract.. yea that’s obvious. But why is it a bribe for me to pay u to come play for my team? If I own a restaurant is it bribery to pay a celebrity to come eat there?

Maybe I’m thinking about it too much.
 
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1mg of Epi said:
Yea I get that. Why is it a bribe to pay someone to do something inherently legal. If I pay a gov official for a favor or contract.. yea that’s obvious. But why is it a bribe for me to pay u to come play for my team? If I own a restaurant is it bribery to pay a celebrity to come eat there?

Maybe I’m thinking about it too much.
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By the time the defense attorneys are done with this it will be plead down to basically nothing.
 
1mg of Epi said:
Yea I get that. Why is it a bribe to pay someone to do something inherently legal. If I pay a gov official for a favor or contract.. yea that’s obvious. But why is it a bribe for me to pay u to come play for my team?
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I'm sure this is under more of the commercial bribery clause than government and also the travel act they are being charged with also.


Commercial bribery is the giving or offering to give, directly or indirectly, anything of value to any private agent, employee, or fiduciary, without the knowledge and consent of the principal or employer, with the intent to influence such agent’s, employee’s, or fiduciary’s action in relation to the principal’s or employer’s affairs.

Additionally, the Travel Act provides that whoever travels in interstate or foreign commerce or uses any facility in interstate or foreign commerce with the intent to promote, establish, carry on, or facilitate the promotion, establishment, or carrying on of any unlawful activity and thereafter performs or attempts to perform any unlawful activity shall be guilty of a crime[iv]. Unlawful activity includes bribery in violation of the laws of the United States
 
pumbaa said:
I'm sure this is under more of the commercial bribery clause than government and also the travel act they are being charged with also.


Commercial bribery is the giving or offering to give, directly or indirectly, anything of value to any private agent, employee, or fiduciary, without the knowledge and consent of the principal or employer, with the intent to influence such agent’s, employee’s, or fiduciary’s action in relation to the principal’s or employer’s affairs.

Additionally, the Travel Act provides that whoever travels in interstate or foreign commerce or uses any facility in interstate or foreign commerce with the intent to promote, establish, carry on, or facilitate the promotion, establishment, or carrying on of any unlawful activity and thereafter performs or attempts to perform any unlawful activity shall be guilty of a crime[iv]. Unlawful activity includes bribery in violation of the laws of the United States
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So would the players be considered employees? Even though they aren't getting paid.
 
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pumbaa said:
I'm sure this is under more of the commercial bribery clause than government and also the travel act they are being charged with also.


Commercial bribery is the giving or offering to give, directly or indirectly, anything of value to any private agent, employee, or fiduciary, without the knowledge and consent of the principal or employer, with the intent to influence such agent’s, employee’s, or fiduciary’s action in relation to the principal’s or employer’s affairs.

Additionally, the Travel Act provides that whoever travels in interstate or foreign commerce or uses any facility in interstate or foreign commerce with the intent to promote, establish, carry on, or facilitate the promotion, establishment, or carrying on of any unlawful activity and thereafter performs or attempts to perform any unlawful activity shall be guilty of a crime[iv]. Unlawful activity includes bribery in violation of the laws of the United States
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Thank you.

So the legality of a payment is dependent upon the knowledge of the payers principal.

Seems likely this could be convoluted... but what the **** do I know.
 
LOL. I came in here expecting to find more trash talking about FSU's manpurse 🤣🤣🤣
 
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Saviorcane said:
Most of the top players would make it to the league no matter what college they went to.
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This. This isn't 30 years ago where going to the bigger school meant more exposure, so there was a greater chance to get drafted. Khalil Mack was a 2 star from FL who played at the University of Buffalo and was drafted top 5. A couple of years ago an OL from Central Michigan was the top overall pick. If you're good then you will get notice and exposure.
 
1mg of Epi said:
@Saviorcane
See above
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It is also illegal to pay someone, or give them a gift over a certain size without reporting it to the government. If the Payor is not filing the proper documentation they are committing a crime with fines upwards of a half a million dollars per incident.
 
RBLCane said:
LOL. I came in here expecting to find more trash talking about FSU's manpurse 🤣🤣🤣
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Sorry, wrong thread. But I don't want you to go away sad so...

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