only team in FBS in top 5 yards per play on both off & def

[Canezum5]

we are also 6-3

We also got beat bad by a GT team that got beat by two teams we steam-rolled. The transitive property isn't reliable in football, but how does that work?

exactly its called corching....Al had no faith in Kayya at UL..and went into bend dont break with Neb and Gt...the banners flew and what do you know we play MAN...increased pressure..etc...it was like he told Mark...**** these fans go blitz and play man and watch us get blown out...well well...so far the best 3 games these two have coached here

We played zone 29 times against VT and man 6 times. We blitzed around 50% which is the same as we have all year.

Now THERE'S some stats fo yo ***.

But nobody is really interested in stuff like that.

That rather just say things.

Its not about playing man or zone. Its how you play man and zone

Pete carrol plays a ton of zone at Seattle but the corners press in his zone making it easier to cover as well as helping the safeties and pressure from the d-line.

Yes, we were playing man, just like Marquise williams said.

But shadow bail man is different from press man.

and this is what the people who are considered "arm chair coaches" are trying to say.

You cant nitpick stats and regurgitate coach speak and consider it a valid argument.

we were NOT playing press man at all and thats the difference.

The linebackers have not been 7-12 yards off the ball. Those are big differences IN HOW YOU PLAY THE ZONE OR MAN!/

why do we have to debate about this?

All fans should side with the players, always. Who defends a coach like this?

It ****es me off that guys defend a bum like golden from jersey harder than they defended a Miami alum learninng on the job.

wtf...

 

[skyman]

but according to Corch D... yards don't matter so his defense is top 10 in something he's explicitly not trying to do?

No now he started to use that stat since its in his favor, these guys are good at what they do...

Got to try to keep up with the slick talking guys from jersey

 

[jerzeycane]

We also got beat bad by a GT team that got beat by two teams we steam-rolled. The transitive property isn't reliable in football, but how does that work?

exactly its called corching....Al had no faith in Kayya at UL..and went into bend dont break with Neb and Gt...the banners flew and what do you know we play MAN...increased pressure..etc...it was like he told Mark...**** these fans go blitz and play man and watch us get blown out...well well...so far the best 3 games these two have coached here

We played zone 29 times against VT and man 6 times. We blitzed around 50% which is the same as we have all year.

Now THERE'S some stats fo yo ***.

But nobody is really interested in stuff like that.

That rather just say things.

Its not about playing man or zone. Its how you play man and zone

Pete carrol plays a ton of zone at Seattle but the corners press in his zone making it easier to cover as well as helping the safeties and pressure from the d-line.

Yes, we were playing man, just like Marquise williams said.

But shadow bail man is different from press man.

and this is what the people who are considered "arm chair coaches" are trying to say.

You cant nitpick stats and regurgitate coach speak and consider it a valid argument.

we were NOT playing press man at all and thats the difference.

The linebackers have not been 7-12 yards off the ball. Those are big differences IN HOW YOU PLAY THE ZONE OR MAN!/

why do we have to debate about this?

All fans should side with the players, always. Who defends a coach like this?

It ****es me off that guys defend a bum like golden from jersey harder than they defended a Miami alum learninng on the job.

wtf...

You know who defends the coaches?

The Players

And to your point about the depth of the linebackers, where have you seen this besides Georgia Tech?

Not being snarky. Really asking that question.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

Yards per play is the most meaningless stat in defensive football. If you can't understand why, I can't help you, bc I don't feel like typing it out for the 10th time.

That's laughably ignorant. Obviously you are not a gambler. Big hint: Don't venture there because you'd get clobbered.

I've got hundreds of Excel spreadsheets with every conceivable stat and situational trend. Thousands of evaluations. Yards per play allowed in college football is one of the gold categories in all of sports. You can identify the frauds and the legit movers based on that category alone. It's particularly vital in yards allowed per pass attempt. The national champion is invariably among the top ten or so in that category. Florida State was #1 last season and Michigan State #2. I've won so many bets in bowl games on that stat alone that I basically don't have to look at anything else.

The Canes in 1983 led the nation in yards allowed per pass attempt. I knew that going into the game but the category was virtually ignored in the media at that time. I was stunned when the NBC announcers mentioned it during the game. Even though we were playing a run oriented team that pass defense category was critical because it means the defense in general plays with terrific smarts and intensity.

Several years ago on Canes sites I pointed out that Florida State was becoming legit because their yards per play allowed was dropping dramatically, and becoming among the best in the country. Nobody wanted to believe it. They preferred subjective claptrap and dismissed Florida State as ongoing phony. Likewise last season entering the bowl game I posted here that Louisville was a horrible matchup because they were a defensive stronghold allowing not much above 4 yards per play.

Countless other examples. I can't believe I'm actually being asked to defend this category. It's similar to pro football when posters try to deny the significance of yards per pass attempt offensively and defensively. Alabama a few years ago was the greatest defense in recent college history when they allowed a phenomenal 4.3 yards per pass attempt for the entire season. It wasn't difficult which way to bet that bowl game versus LSU. USC in 2008 was disgracefully excluded from the title game despite allowing only 4.6 yards per attempt, which was the recent historical standard before Alabama trumped it.

I generally respect your posts but you are way off on this one. Yards gained and allowed is a staple category. It's like trying to dismiss the importance of stroke average in golf.

 

[Canezum5]

exactly its called corching....Al had no faith in Kayya at UL..and went into bend dont break with Neb and Gt...the banners flew and what do you know we play MAN...increased pressure..etc...it was like he told Mark...**** these fans go blitz and play man and watch us get blown out...well well...so far the best 3 games these two have coached here

We played zone 29 times against VT and man 6 times. We blitzed around 50% which is the same as we have all year.

Now THERE'S some stats fo yo ***.

But nobody is really interested in stuff like that.

That rather just say things.

Its not about playing man or zone. Its how you play man and zone

Pete carrol plays a ton of zone at Seattle but the corners press in his zone making it easier to cover as well as helping the safeties and pressure from the d-line.

Yes, we were playing man, just like Marquise williams said.

But shadow bail man is different from press man.

and this is what the people who are considered "arm chair coaches" are trying to say.

You cant nitpick stats and regurgitate coach speak and consider it a valid argument.

we were NOT playing press man at all and thats the difference.

The linebackers have not been 7-12 yards off the ball. Those are big differences IN HOW YOU PLAY THE ZONE OR MAN!/

why do we have to debate about this?

All fans should side with the players, always. Who defends a coach like this?

It ****es me off that guys defend a bum like golden from jersey harder than they defended a Miami alum learninng on the job.

wtf...

You know who defends the coaches?

The Players

And to your point about the depth of the linebackers, where have you seen this besides Georgia Tech?

Not being snarky. Really asking that question.

The players who depend on the coaches for playing time? umm ok. that holds a lot of weight.

how about the many former players who have called out this crap ad nauseum ?

Dude ive seen it any the many games ive been too over the years. Im at work right now but when i get home i can gladly show you games from years past where the linebackers safeties and dbs are all 5 or more yards off of the ball.

 

[Consigliere]

WE HAVE 3 LOSSES. That is the only stat that matters.

 

[jerzeycane]

We played zone 29 times against VT and man 6 times. We blitzed around 50% which is the same as we have all year.

Now THERE'S some stats fo yo ***.

But nobody is really interested in stuff like that.

That rather just say things.

Its not about playing man or zone. Its how you play man and zone

Pete carrol plays a ton of zone at Seattle but the corners press in his zone making it easier to cover as well as helping the safeties and pressure from the d-line.

Yes, we were playing man, just like Marquise williams said.

But shadow bail man is different from press man.

and this is what the people who are considered "arm chair coaches" are trying to say.

You cant nitpick stats and regurgitate coach speak and consider it a valid argument.

we were NOT playing press man at all and thats the difference.

The linebackers have not been 7-12 yards off the ball. Those are big differences IN HOW YOU PLAY THE ZONE OR MAN!/

why do we have to debate about this?

All fans should side with the players, always. Who defends a coach like this?

It ****es me off that guys defend a bum like golden from jersey harder than they defended a Miami alum learninng on the job.

wtf...

You know who defends the coaches?

The Players

And to your point about the depth of the linebackers, where have you seen this besides Georgia Tech?

Not being snarky. Really asking that question.

The players who depend on the coaches for playing time? umm ok. that holds a lot of weight.

how about the many former players who have called out this crap ad nauseum ?

Dude ive seen it any the many games ive been too over the years. Im at work right now but when i get home i can gladly show you games from years past where the linebackers safeties and dbs are all 5 or more yards off of the ball.

I'm talking about this season my boy

 

[dg151]

WE HAVE 3 LOSSES. That is the only stat that matters.

Pretty crazy they keep track of any of the other ones tbh.

 

[canedoit]

exactly its called corching....Al had no faith in Kayya at UL..and went into bend dont break with Neb and Gt...the banners flew and what do you know we play MAN...increased pressure..etc...it was like he told Mark...**** these fans go blitz and play man and watch us get blown out...well well...so far the best 3 games these two have coached here

We played zone 29 times against VT and man 6 times. We blitzed around 50% which is the same as we have all year.

Now THERE'S some stats fo yo ***.

But nobody is really interested in stuff like that.

That rather just say things.

Its not about playing man or zone. Its how you play man and zone

Pete carrol plays a ton of zone at Seattle but the corners press in his zone making it easier to cover as well as helping the safeties and pressure from the d-line.

Yes, we were playing man, just like Marquise williams said.

But shadow bail man is different from press man.

and this is what the people who are considered "arm chair coaches" are trying to say.

You cant nitpick stats and regurgitate coach speak and consider it a valid argument.

we were NOT playing press man at all and thats the difference.

The linebackers have not been 7-12 yards off the ball. Those are big differences IN HOW YOU PLAY THE ZONE OR MAN!/

why do we have to debate about this?

All fans should side with the players, always. Who defends a coach like this?

It ****es me off that guys defend a bum like golden from jersey harder than they defended a Miami alum learninng on the job.

wtf...

You know who defends the coaches?

The Players

And to your point about the depth of the linebackers, where have you seen this besides Georgia Tech?

Not being snarky. Really asking that question.

That bolded part. The LB depth adjustment has really helped keep the shallow crosses and middle screens under control. It's also helped to not tip off the delayed blitzes we've been seeing recently.

Watching Perryman, he's able to remain stagnant at his depth and diagnose what's happening in front of him. He's doing well filling and laying the wood..or run his delayed blitz.

As for the topic, it's real nice to be high on those statistical lists...At the same time, that GT game stings and I can't form any valid argument against fan frustration at how the defensive staff prepared for that. Neb? Somewhat the same, but an unlikely big play @ Duke's expense really hurt.

 

[Dwinstitles]

WE HAVE 3 LOSSES. That is the only stat that matters.

End thread

 

[canesplaymaker]

Not a hater but being last on third down conversions is a way more important stat.

 

[jerzeycane]

Not a hater but being last on third down conversions is a way more important stat.

Product of a true freshman QB and a young play caller, but the good news is that we've been WAY better in that department recently.

It's seem like we've started really attacking 3rd downs with our RB's and TE's recently.

I'm sure it was a a point of emphasis by the staff during the bye week before Va Tech, as we've posted our best percentages in that area the last two weeks.

Lots of throws to the backs and TE's on 3rd down.

Walford has been money on 3rd down.

 

[Canes21]

Not a hater but being last on third down conversions is a way more important stat.

Part of that was from Kaaya and the offense being so bad to start the year. They have gotten better. At the same time however, as a team Miami has had the least amount of 3rd down attempts in the nation as well because they are doing so well on 1st and 2nd now that that we don't rely on screens left and right and trust Kaaya.

 

[jerzeycane]

Not a hater but being last on third down conversions is a way more important stat.

Part of that was from Kaaya and the offense being so bad to start the year. They have gotten better. At the same time however, as a team Miami has had the least amount of 3rd down attempts in the nation as well because they are doing so well on 1st and 2nd now that that we don't rely on screens left and right and trust Kaaya.

And we get big plays. Gotta be Top 10 in 20+ yard plays.

Everytime you look up, we got another chunk play.

We've been great in that area the past few years, but Snickers sucked on 3rd down because he couldn't vary his throws, had poor accuracy and lacked anticipation.

 

[Dingaan1828]

Not a hater but being last on third down conversions is a way more important stat.

We're not last. And, we are 10 of 14 on 4th down. Every stat has to be viewed in context or you are just fooling yourself.

 

[rayray]

actually a MUCH more important stat than third down conversion rate is how often you are in third down. ideally, you can covert your third downs -- but even better is not being in third down in the first place.

this year miami has been in third downs less than every team in the country except two -- FSU and wisconsin. http://www.cfbstats.com/2014/leader/national/team/offense/split01/category25/sort02.html

and even there, we have 100 third downs across 9 games while those two teams have 101 across 8 games. so after next weekend, miami will have been in the least number of third downs of any team in the country.

i'm not trying to minimize the importance of third down conversions -- critically important downs obviously -- but i think people who harp on the offense's third down conversion rate this year have to at least acknowledge that the fact that we've been in third down fewer than any team in the country means that this offense is doing a lot of things right.

to bring this back to the thread topic, here is a perfect example of why yards per play matters. when you're ripping off 7 yards a play on average, you're not going to be in third down very often. and if you're not in third down very often, you're gonna be very hard to get off the field.

 

[rayray]

also, for the guy who's saying yards per play doesn't matter. here's the combined record of the 10 best YPP teams on offense in the ncaa this year: 71-13

pretty strong correlation, i'd say

 

[Kirijax]

I'm not real sure why everyone is getting all upset about posting something that is positive. There are problem areas but anyone who has seen the last three games has to think maybe we are improving in the defense department. While I agree that the defense rankings may be a bit bloated from opponents that played poorly, the defense is a big reason why they played poorly and I'm glad to see some improvements. I wish some people would stop trying to find the negative in every positive thing that is out there. Some people are just made that way I guess. Try to be a bit more positive. I'm not saying you have to be a slurper but give a little bit of credit where it's due. I'm still waiting to see how this defense will do against a top team, but the last few games have been fun to watch.

 

[rayray]

I'm still waiting to see how this defense will do against a top team, but the last few games have been fun to watch.

i agree w/ this generally but let's note that after the VT game everyone on this board was like "yeah well let's see what happens against north carolina!" and then we went out and held them to their lowest total yards ever under fedora (and 3.6 yards per play, which is crazy)

 

[Kirijax]

I'm still waiting to see how this defense will do against a top team, but the last few games have been fun to watch.

i agree w/ this generally but let's note that after the VT game everyone on this board was like "yeah well let's see what happens against north carolina!" and then we went out and held them to their lowest total yards ever under fedora (and 3.6 yards per play, which is crazy)

Can't argue with that.