One of the Biggest Issues with Manny's Staff...

[ALLoverCANE]

Again, your statistical prowess may be more relevant on the baseball board.

You all are aware that the guys printing money in Vegas rely heavily on models, right?

I agree baseball lends itself to statistical analysis more than football. But that doesn't make stats useless in football.

 

[supersaiyanshel]

Notre Dame.

Your turn. You asked for a top offensive team that we shut down. I provided one.

So now you need to provide an example of a poor offensive team that moved the ball at will vs. us. That's a weird criteria, but it's the one you set. Apparently in your mind only extreme outcomes matter.

I'll wait.

A Notre Dame squad that didnt rank in the Top 25 in Total Offense is hardly what I'd call an offensive juggernaut. But I appreciate your response regardless.

As for your challenge, what are the odds we'd have the same answer?

2016 Notre Dame. Ran up over 400 yards of offense on Manny. You'll remember that team was so bad offensively Kelly went out and got a new coordinator.

I can provide more if you like, but it would probably be for naught seeing as you've already engaged in ad hominem attacks, I doubt you'd be swayed. You seem to be taking this waaaaay too personally, Mrs. Banda. I simply said the defense was overrated, not bad. Relax and tell your hubby to recruit better.

 

[jackedaround]

There are no unique, singular voices on either side of the ball staff wise. The Defense are all disciples of Manny, except for Rumph. Stroud is from that FSU coaching tree so he's from the same school as Manny.

On the offense, every one is basically an Enos disciple or a scheme neophyte.

This creates a brain drain so to speak. No fresh ideas. No new outside the box voices in any of the planning. To be fair, this has been a problem at UM since Golden.

But it'd be nice to see Manny bring in some guys like Chad Morris (just a name) and Derek Mason (not realistic, but using as an example) in a support capacity to spice things up a bit.

This is what the bye week gets you. Inept commentary after 3 wins.

 

[supersaiyanshel]

This is what the bye week gets you. Inept commentary after 3 wins.

I mean, if its inept it wouldnt make a difference if it was after 10 wins and right before a Championship game.

Another way of looking at it is saying its inept posting 3 weeks removed from losing to a 1 win GT team, and needing 10 games to become bowl eligible.

I've given Manny et al plenty of praise the last two weeks. A ton, actually.

 

[ALLoverCANE]

A Notre Dame squad that didnt rank in the Top 25 in Total Offense is hardly what I'd call an offensive juggernaut. But I appreciate your response regardless.

As for your challenge, what are the odds we'd have the same answer?

2016 Notre Dame. Ran up over 400 yards of offense on Manny. You'll remember that team was so bad offensively Kelly went out and got a new coordinator.

I can provide more if you like, but it would probably be for naught seeing as you've already engaged in ad hominem attacks, I doubt you'd be swayed. You seem to be taking this waaaaay too personally, Mrs. Banda. I simply said the defense was overrated, not bad. Relax and tell your hubby to recruit better.

Total offense is not a great metric. It is swayed too much by pace, field position, and opponent quality.

2017 ND was top 20 in both FPI and SP+.

2016 ND was not a terrible offense. 45th per FPI. Miami gave up less than 6 yards per play, barely over 400 total yards, and 30 points, on the road. Again, like your other examples, that is not a bad performance. It's decent.

But fine, I'll drop it. You put forward a legitimate argument.

 

[JTKoval]

This is why the site has an ignore mode. Tempting to respond. But no.

 

[9oh4Cane]

You all are aware that the guys printing money in Vegas rely heavily on models, right?

I agree baseball lends itself to statistical analysis more than football. But that doesn't make stats useless in football.

I don't think it's completely useless. If I had the time to do so, I would happily pull up hours of tape showing blown assignments, lack of discipline and technique, etc. I almost pulled my hair out against Louisville.

On way too many occasions we "waste" (for lack of a better word) defenders on the back end with terrible alignment. Our defense is easy to read and has way too many pre-snap give aways, ex. our LB's ALWAYS buzz out to RB motioning to the flat and leave middle of the field wide open.

Up front, our philosophy is "havoc." Ill take that over D'No frog stance, but our DL and LB's try to shoot gaps way too quickly with no real diagnosis, leaving us very susceptible to PA and plays with a horizontal change of flow from one side of the field to the other.

As for your argument about stats, I'll leave you with this. We complained all last year about the field position battle. Many times, our opponents had drives start on our end of the field. This will automatically skew yards per play down (a stat Manny loved) since, naturally, offenses have less room to operate in, and as they approach, the redzone.

Maybe I'm cherry picking, but I don't see this nonsense when I watch the big boys play.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

the only thing that I see that improved was punting & I that is 100% because of the punter.

KR: gives us nothing/below average
KC: has been average to poor on KO’s
PR: improved with KJ
PC: has been average/nothing special
P: outstanding
FG: TERRIBLE
KO: above average to good

This is my exact thought. Punt return got better bc of KJ not bc of scheme. Punting got better bc of Lou. IMO he has done nothing

 

[305to954]

I think the biggest issue that every previous coaching staff has done is not getting rid of their buddies and friends.
Business is Business, you have to take the emotions out of it.

I’ve yet to see a coach hire ppl they don’t have some sort of background relationship with..the longer you coach the more connections u build. First year coaches usually bring a staff they are familiar with

 

[Go Canes!!]

Soooo....


You're not going to tell me the offensive juggernauts Manny's stopped or where they ranked offensively?

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I'll wait.

Sincerely,

Internet Tough Guy

Why don’t you name the elite, championship level defenses that have stopped offensive juggernauts?

 

[Home Slice]

It will be interesting to see what Manny does with this staff during the off-season. When Manny took over more defensive responsibility this season, our improvement on D was instant. If we go 9-4, 8-5, the sentiment on CIS will be decent. If we end up with 7-6 or God forbid 6-7, we're gonna be livid. But what will Manny do? Something tells me Baker is safe at least at this point. As a matter of fact, I'm not sure Manny will want to make any changes. I guess we'll all know soon enough

 

[South Side Chi Cane]

Who goes to work for Alabama and brings their own voice?

Kiffin did when porked Saban's daughter.....Well at least his passive aggressive voice.

 

[supersaiyanshel]

Why don’t you name the elite, championship level defenses that have stopped offensive juggernauts?

Why lets just look at last years CFP championship for starters.

Bama Top 10 offense.

Clemson stomped em.

 

[Go Canes!!]

Why lets just look at last years CFP championship for starters.

Bama Top 10 offense.

Clemson stomped em.

Yep they sure did. And on the flip side Clemson smoked a Nick Saban coached Bama defense full of nothing but 4-5 stars for a 50 spot.

Regardless, honest question then. How much better would our D be with Manny scheming around three Senior first rounders and a Freshman All-American on the defensive line?

Be realistic man. If that's the example you need to use your point is fatally flawed.

Great offenses score a ton of points in college football every week. A top college D shuts down average offensive teams and keeps you in games against great ones.

That's exactly what Manny's have done here as well as anyone's for the last four years.

 

[TallyCane]

It will be interesting to see what Manny does with this staff during the off-season. When Manny took over more defensive responsibility this season, our improvement on D was instant. If we go 9-4, 8-5, the sentiment on CIS will be decent. If we end up with 7-6 or God forbid 6-7, we're gonna be livid. But what will Manny do? Something tells me Baker is safe at least at this point. As a matter of fact, I'm not sure Manny will want to make any changes. I guess we'll all know soon enough

If we go 9-4 and the offense looks better he won’t make any changes. That fact that manny had to step in with the defense tells me Baker ain’t safe long term.

 

[Dghustla]

With time running out, I see porsters are in a rush to get their threads nominated for worst thread of the year.

 

[pyhooya]

Seeing how well it didnt against a national opponent in ND and how it consistently fairs well against ACC foes I think your just grasping at straws

How does one get better? By consistently being good and moving the mark over the top. This year to start we were awful on offense absolutely WOAT levels... now you can see a curve of progression and being able to be good and build on it going forward

He did stop ND...who had a horrible offense.....beats up on CMU, TOledo, FIU which makes the stats look good overall. Plays against ACC foes...who you should be able to stop(worst division in P5). Anytime he plays someone that has talent and has a good OC he gets his **** pushed in.

 

[Go Canes!!]

He did stop ND...who had a horrible offense.....beats up on CMU, TOledo, FIU which makes the stats look good overall. Plays against ACC foes...who you should be able to stop(worst division in P5). Anytime he plays someone that has talent and has a good OC he gets his **** pushed in.

Notre Dame had the 24th ranked offense in college football in 2017 despite playing six ranked teams that season including Georgia, LSU, USC and Stanford.

We held them to their lowest point and yardage totals of the season.

 

[pyhooya]

Notre Dame had the 24th ranked offense in college football in 2017 despite playing six ranked teams that season including Georgia, LSU, USC and Stanford.

We held them to their lowest point and yardage totals of the season.

FAU was 9th, Colorado State was 11th, Toledo was 14th.. Much like dIAZ dEFENSE.... they beat up on the sh1tty teams and crapped the bed when they played talent. They were shell shocked in that game and Miami shut them down. What happened against Wisky(twice) Toledo(twice) BC, GT

Its the same as when he was at UT. Just lucky he corches against the Coarstal now.

 

[supersaiyanshel]

Yep they sure did. And on the flip side Clemson smoked a Nick Saban coached Bama defense full of nothing but 4-5 stars for a 50 spot.

Regardless, honest question then. How much better would our D be with Manny scheming around three Senior first rounders and a Freshman All-American on the defensive line?

Be realistic man. If that's the example you need to use your point is fatally flawed.
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Great offenses score a ton of points in college football every week. A top college D shuts down average offensive teams and keeps you in games against great ones.

That's exactly what Manny's have done here as well as anyone's for the last four years.

You asked a simple question: "Why don’t you name the elite, championship level defenses that have stopped offensive juggernauts? " I provided a succinct and simple answer. The argument isn't flawed because you said championship level and offensive juggernaut.
It's a perfectly realistic example.

You asked how much better would our D be with Many scheming around 3 Senior First rounders, but whose to say that Manny would even play them, especially if one of them had a "Bad camp"? And secondly, how many first rounders has Manny even recruited a first rounder in his entire career (seriously asking).

I'll give you a more recent one if you like. Just last week. VT shut down one of the hottest offenses in the league in Wake Forest.

The defense is okay, man. It's nothing special. We play in a horrendous conference with horrible offenses. We are padding our stats against nobodies. You really think our Defense would slow down an Oklahoma? Or even the above example of Wake Forest?