One of the Biggest Issues with Manny's Staff...

[JD08]

Dan Enos, Mike Locksley, Steve Sarkisian, Lane Kiffen, Butch Jones.

LSU you have Joe Brady.

Urban did it with Ryan Day.

Alabama has a high turnover rate for position coaches. There's no way they could perform at that level that long with dozens of different methods, some changing every year.

 

[pacusmc]

There are no unique, singular voices on either side of the ball staff wise. The Defense are all disciples of Manny, except for Rumph. Stroud is from that FSU coaching tree so he's from the same school as Manny.

On the offense, every one is basically an Enos disciple or a scheme neophyte.

This creates a brain drain so to speak. No fresh ideas. No new outside the box voices in any of the planning. To be fair, this has been a problem at UM since Golden.

But it'd be nice to see Manny bring in some guys like Chad Morris (just a name) and Derek Mason (not realistic, but using as an example) in a support capacity to spice things up a bit.

No one here has been to any meetings or has been involved in any game planning. I see where your coming from. But Manny doesn’t appear to be closed minded at all to me.
It’s absolutely important to think outside the box.
But you better communicate your intentions and direction to the players and coaches clearly. Sometimes coaches want to do too much and it backfires big time. Players start thinking you don’t know what your doing and start wondering what they’re role on the team is. Coaches start thinking the same thing. Let’s see what the rest of the season has to show and what the staff does this off season.

 

[ALLoverCANE]

Where are those ACC foes you mentioned ranked offensively? I'll wait.

What did Manny's defenses do against Wisconsin? Or Clemson? Or VT? Or UNC? Or even UL last week? Manny's defenses have been good. They're nowhere near championship level or elite. We beat up on nobodies. Our players are barely getting drafted from that side of the ball.

I agree with the second part of your post however, except for the quantam leap forward part. The offense strangely got better when we played an awful FSU defense, and then an even worse UL defense (possibly the worse of the season). But we can take an even larger quantam leap with additional voices and eyes. You have guys like Larry fedora working as an analyst. You're telling me he wouldn't be a benefit here?

Never rest on your laurels.

Classic. The guy arguing a ridiculous position asks his opponent to provide the data that backs up his argument. "I'll wait" = internet tough guy speak for "I'm too lazy to actually find evidence that supports my position", or "I have no idea if the evidence supports my position, so I'll just pose a rhetorical question instead", or both.

BTW, literally EVERY advanced rating system adjusts for opponent quality. You accuse supporters of Manny's defenses of failing to adjust for context, yet you made no attempt to do so yourself. Your entire argument is based solely on cherry picking.

For example...Wisconsin scored 34 vs. us in the OB. It was their 7th highest scoring game of the season. This is modern college football. Teams score a lot. You may not have noticed. Even last year's Wisconsin team scored more than they did vs. us 5 other times during the season, and we held them a full half-yard below their per-play season average.

Or another example...We didn't have a great performance vs. VT this year. They scored 42. That's the only time in Manny's 4 years here that we have allowed >40. In this day and age, teams score 40 vs. good defenses all the time. Last week, 4 out of the 18 ranked teams that played gave up >40 points. The week before, 4 of the 16 gave up 40+. We've allowed 40 points 1 time in 49 games! And in that game, our opponent had <350 yards, so clearly a big chunk of those 40+ were not due to the defense.

So when you cherry picked Miami's worst defenses performances, you couldn't even find legitimately bad defenses performances by modern standards. All you proved is that when Miami's defense plays poorly (2-3 times per year), it still isn't that bad.

 

[We'retheBoss]

Lets be real though, for all the hate on Patke, our ST has improved this year.

Are you just talking about returns and coverage? Because the JT muffed punt, the fake punt TD, all the missed XP and chip shot FGs....if those basic things were taken care of, a 4-loss team with all losses by 7 or less becomes a 1, maybe 2 loss team

 

[5Rings&an Asterisk]

Coaching is like a good ole boys club.

 

[MizCane]

Ever heard of not re-inventing the wheel?
We are playing fast aggressive down hill Defense and use multiple formations on O. Enos has evolved to more shotgun and it has worked.

What else do you want?

 

[supersaiyanshel]

Classic. The guy arguing a ridiculous position asks his opponent to provide the data that backs up his argument. "I'll wait" = internet tough guy speak for "I'm too lazy to actually find evidence that supports my position", or "I have no idea if the evidence supports my position, so I'll just pose a rhetorical question instead", or both.

BTW, literally EVERY advanced rating system adjusts for opponent quality. You accuse supporters of Manny's defenses of failing to adjust for context, yet you made no attempt to do so yourself. Your entire argument is based solely on cherry picking.

For example...Wisconsin scored 34 vs. us in the OB. It was their 7th highest scoring game of the season. This is modern college football. Teams score a lot. You may not have noticed. Even last year's Wisconsin team scored more than they did vs. us 5 other times during the season, and we held them a full half-yard below their per-play season average.

Or another example...We didn't have a great performance vs. VT this year. They scored 42. That's the only time in Manny's 4 years here that we have allowed >40. In this day and age, teams score 40 vs. good defenses all the time. Last week, 4 out of the 18 ranked teams that played gave up >40 points. The week before, 4 of the 16 gave up 40+. We've allowed 40 points 1 time in 49 games! And in that game, our opponent had <350 yards, so clearly a big chunk of those 40+ were not due to the defense.

So when you cherry picked Miami's worst defenses performances, you couldn't even find legitimately bad defenses performances by modern standards. All you proved is that when Miami's defense plays poorly (2-3 times per year), it still isn't that bad.

Soooo....


You're not going to tell me the offensive juggernauts Manny's stopped or where they ranked offensively?

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I'll wait.

Sincerely,

Internet Tough Guy

 

[Memnon]

Coaches typically don't bring in guys they have no familiarity with because they don't want to be undermined.

Coaching in general & particularly in Football is a big ego business, they don't want anyone challenging or undercutting their message. The effectiveness of a coach a lot times can depend on having assistants who are all on the same page, if you have a guy on the staff that thinks his way is better than the HC's way it can cause internal problems.

I definitely agree that we need to bring in coaches who have their own experience & bring their own innovative ideas to table, however you'll be hard pressed to find a Coach especially a new HC who will fill his staff up with guys that might not respect him or will essentially try to takeover the team from underneath his watch.

At this point, I've given up on their being a true X's & O's guru ever being brought in here, all I want at this point is just get us a true great recruiter on the Defensive side of the ball & I'll be happy. Bring in a guy who can just sell sand to a beach & recruit like his life depended on it, on Defense.

Our Defense is too good to be having all these recruiting struggles on that side of the ball year 4 in the Diaz era.

 

[supersaiyanshel]

Larry Fedora was brought in as an analyst for a Texas team that whooped up on a top notch SEC defense in a bowl game.

Expand your bag of tricks.

 

[Caneillac]

yeah i wouldnt be surprised if baker moved on at some point. Lets be real though, for all the hate on Patke, our ST has improved this year.

the only thing that I see that improved was punting & I that is 100% because of the punter.

KR: gives us nothing/below average
KC: has been average to poor on KO’s
PR: improved with KJ
PC: has been average/nothing special
P: outstanding
FG: TERRIBLE
KO: above average to good

 

[9oh4Cane]

Manny's defense was, and is overrated. Y'all gone learn one day.

It's not about being good, though. It's about getting BETTER.

It's always been overrated and filled with holes. Idiots on here have called it "elite" for years by selectively picking stats that support their argument. Defense has definitely regressed under Baker, too -- he's just not the guy.

And to respond to OP's post -- Biggest issue with this staff is by far recruiting.

 

[ALLoverCANE]

Soooo....


You're not going to tell me the offensive juggernauts Manny's stopped or where they ranked offensively?

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I'll wait.

Sincerely,

Internet Tough Guy

Notre Dame.

Your turn. You asked for a top offensive team that we shut down. I provided one.

So now you need to provide an example of a poor offensive team that moved the ball at will vs. us. That's a weird criteria, but it's the one you set. Apparently in your mind only extreme outcomes matter.

I'll wait.

 

[9oh4Cane]

Notre Dame.

Your turn. You asked for a top offensive team that we shut down. I provided one.

So now you need to provide an example of a poor offensive team that moved the ball at will vs. us. That's a weird criteria, but it's the one you set. Apparently in your mind only extreme outcomes matter.

I'll wait.

LMAO at calling 2017 ND an offensive juggernaut

 

[ALLoverCANE]

It's always been overrated and filled with holes. Idiots on here have called it "elite" for years by selectively picking stats that support their argument. Defense has definitely regressed under Baker, too -- he's just not the guy.

And to respond to OP's post -- Biggest issue with this staff is by far recruiting.

Lol. Ok then YOU provide the stats that matter.

Don't provide individual game outcomes. Those are individual data points. Every team, both good ones and bad ones, have both good performances and bad performances. Please provide the stats that show this hasn't been an excellent defense overall.

 

[9oh4Cane]

Lol. Ok then YOU provide the stats that matter.

Don't provide individual game outcomes. Those are individual data points. Every team, both good ones and bad ones, have both good performances and bad performances. Please provide the stats that show this hasn't been an excellent defense overall.

I've watched enough football to know what a good defense is supposed to look like. Stats do not matter to me unless we're talking baseball -- way too many variables in football to make a solid argument with stats alone.

Manny's defense is above average, Baker's is average. Schematically, this defense is nowhere near elite.

 

[ALLoverCANE]

LMAO at calling 2017 ND an offensive juggernaut

ND was 12th per FPI, 19th per SP+. That may not be a juggernaut, but that's pretty close.

So your argument is Miami hasn't been good defensively because it hasn't played juggernauts?

Gosh if only there were ways to assess defenses besides performance vs juggernauts.

 

[9oh4Cane]

ND was 12th per FPI, 19th per SP+. That may not be a juggernaut, but that's pretty close.

So your argument is Miami hasn't been good defensively because it hasn't played juggernauts?

Gosh if only there were ways to assess defenses besides performance vs juggernauts.

Again, your statistical prowess may be more relevant on the baseball board.

 

[AHURT12]

There are no unique, singular voices on either side of the ball staff wise. The Defense are all disciples of Manny, except for Rumph. Stroud is from that FSU coaching tree so he's from the same school as Manny.

On the offense, every one is basically an Enos disciple or a scheme neophyte.

This creates a brain drain so to speak. No fresh ideas. No new outside the box voices in any of the planning. To be fair, this has been a problem at UM since Golden.

But it'd be nice to see Manny bring in some guys like Chad Morris (just a name) and Derek Mason (not realistic, but using as an example) in a support capacity to spice things up a bit.

Your looking for a quirky cute talker. Those types dont develop they talk cute

 

[ALLoverCANE]

I've watched enough football to know what a good defense is supposed to look like. Stats do not matter to me unless we're talking baseball -- way too many variables in football to make a solid argument with stats alone.

Manny's defense is above average, Baker's is average. Schematically, this defense is nowhere near elite.

Lol. Next time save yourself some characters and just say "I have no argument. Don't take me seriously."

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

There are no unique, singular voices on either side of the ball staff wise. The Defense are all disciples of Manny, except for Rumph. Stroud is from that FSU coaching tree so he's from the same school as Manny.

On the offense, every one is basically an Enos disciple or a scheme neophyte.

This creates a brain drain so to speak. No fresh ideas. No new outside the box voices in any of the planning. To be fair, this has been a problem at UM since Golden.

But it'd be nice to see Manny bring in some guys like Chad Morris (just a name) and Derek Mason (not realistic, but using as an example) in a support capacity to spice things up a bit.

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