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On Ny Carr...Staying at UM

Any body else injured..sheesh….Chance robinson? Pickett…anybody….dumping the excess???? But i do belive Miami over recruits all positions and they weed themselves out and the cream rises
 
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sedlst11 said:
I think this is a consensus amongst the board. Is there a chance he comes back at all?
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From my understanding, no. But, who knows man. If he can't find a new home, where he feels he can play right away and get compensated what he wants, maybe he has to come back. If he is willing to come back heavily discounted, we better take him back.

With that being said, I don't see that happening. He will have some suitors.
 
STG said:
I am saying that in no way to I buy/believe that Ny Carr has reached his full potential. When you say plateau, that is how I perceive that. Forget about anyone else, I am talking specifically on Ny the football player.
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Yeah I don't think so either in the grand scheme of his development. I think he just didn't improve as much as they wanted for his pay THIS YEAR and wasn't in line to receive the snaps he wants so he decided to leave.

But also he could have plateaued and still be on a path like this:
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DMoney said:
It’s not really that complicated. Those guys received praise when they played well and showed flashes. All three are really talented.

They stopped receiving praise in spring because they didn’t have good springs. That was because of injury, slowed development, or (in some cases, not Carr) off-field issues.

This has become a win-now sport. Guys that could previously work through issues often end up in the Portal. They’re expensive to the team, and the players want opportunity.

All three of these guys fall in the same category: talented prospects who showed flashes but failed to make any progress in spring. It’s not ideal for anybody that it didn’t work out, but it’s reality. The good news for them is that they can rebound at the next spot, and the good news for us is that we have more money to use on other players.
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Mope
 
STG said:
From my understanding, no. But, who knows man. If he can't find a new home, where he feels he can play right away and get compensated what he wants, maybe he has to come back. If he is willing to come back heavily discounted, we better take him back.

With that being said, I don't see that happening. He will have some suitors.
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That's disappointing to hear.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I am confused now. And this is nothing personal, I'm just asking a few questions.

If "a lot of posters" said it, then it's not coming from UM or @DMoney , right?

And if they said that on gameday threads...HOW? Emory barely played in 2024.

Those questions are not directed at you individually, I just don't see how people could be fooled here. There were also threads about our pursuit of John Mateer, and that was weeks before the bowl game.

I like Emory. I respect Emory. I support all of my fellow UM alums. But I had no delusions about whether he would be our starting QB. Ever. No matter what any coaches said after practices and no matter what any posters said in gameday threads, I knew all season long that we would pursue another transfer QB after Cam. It wasn't even debateable.

The only debate was WHO we would get from the Portal to succeed Cam Ward.
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it wasnt coming from D money. I will say when coaches publicly praise or tell the beat guys that they believe in Emory, it does come from UM. D money was never saying he believed in emory and he always said we need a new QB post cam.

game day boards were basing it off the myth from the year before and the garbage time he played in earlier on.
 
We're starting to see a pattern with these Miami Portal departures: talented players who had coaches genuinely excited at one point, but plateaued in their development and struggled to get on the field this spring.
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Dmoney, don't you think this is bad for these kids? The school feels it cannot have dollars locked up in a kid that doesn't perform so it parts ways almost immediately if it thinks that'll happen.
 
If it’s the pattern with these high price tag players then Samson O sounds to be someone that could hit the portal. I hope not but this business is getting serious
 
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DMoney said:
It’s not really that complicated. Those guys received praise when they played well and showed flashes. All three are really talented.

They stopped receiving praise in spring because they didn’t have good springs. That was because of injury, slowed development, or (in some cases, not Carr) off-field issues.

This has become a win-now sport. Guys that could previously work through issues often end up in the Portal. They’re expensive to the team, and the players want opportunity.

All three of these guys fall in the same category: talented prospects who showed flashes but failed to make any progress in spring. It’s not ideal for anybody that it didn’t work out, but it’s reality. The good news for them is that they can rebound at the next spot, and the good news for us is that we have more money to use on other players.
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I'm not so sure about the bolded anymore. I'd like to believe that is always the case, but we've had players leave and perform at a high level, and kept other players and watched them falter. Which players get talked about publicly (and why) does not always correlate to their ability. Lack of transparency from the staff regarding injuries and depth charts only increases suspicion and information asymmetry between fans and the program.

I do agree with you this is symptomatic of the times. NIL+portal has increased player expectations and empowered players, but it has also increased booster expectations. College football has been a results-based, multi-million (and now billion) dollar business this entire century, but it's reached a new high point in the NIL+portal era. And with the additional money comes additional expectations and less patience, which is fair (though it's probably bad for the sport).

I do find it curious so many appear so willing to apply this "win-now" mentality to the players getting paid, and not to the HC making $8M/year, but that's a topic for another day. A player making mid six figures in NIL may get bumped after a bad spring, but a coach making 20x that amount can easily survive 2 bad football seasons.
 
Trav said:
It really is stupid. Ohio State had 14 guys already in the portal from the last cycle. Likely more in the Spring. All "missed evals" huh? There's either a boring played out shtick/agenda here or a massive misunderstanding of the current landscape of college football. What other seldom used or redshirt freshman WR should they have gone after instead?

It's also ***-backward logic. We got a decent WR haul last year and this one is so much better they're pushing out a guy from last year and that's proof of "bad recruiting?"
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We are a bi-polar fanbase. We want to be a CFP team which means we need to be re-evaluating the roster every season in cold blooded fashion to make room for better talent.

But then we endear ourselves to beloved Player X and get all butthurt like a G5 program when underachieving, overpriced Player X is encouraged to bounce to make room for a better player.

It’s 2025. This is a tough business if you want to win.
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
I'm not so sure about the bolded anymore. I'd like to believe that is always the case, but we've had players leave and perform at a high level, and kept other players and watched them falter. Which players get talked about publicly (and why) does not always correlate to their ability. Lack of transparency from the staff regarding injuries and depth charts only increases suspicion and information asymmetry between fans and the program.

I do agree with you this is symptomatic of the times. NIL+portal has increased player expectations and empowered players, but it has also increased booster expectations. College football has been a results-based, multi-million (and now billion) dollar business this entire century, but it's reached a new high point in the NIL+portal era. And with the additional money comes additional expectations and less patience, which is fair (though it's probably bad for the sport).

I do find it curious so many appear so willing to apply this "win-now" mentality to the players getting paid, and not to the HC making $8M/year, but that's a topic for another day. A player making mid six figures in NIL may get bumped after a bad spring, but a coach making 20x that amount can easily survive 2 bad football seasons.
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Great post, especially the first paragraph.
 
DMoney said:
We're starting to see a pattern with these Miami Portal departures: talented players who had coaches genuinely excited at one point, but plateaued in their development and struggled to get on the field this spring.

Carr is a guy I loved in spring '24. He got open consistently and made plays from Cam Ward and others. Over time, his inconsistency became a concern and his body was slow to develop. This led to some nagging injuries, including missing significant time this spring (like Josh Horton and Zaquan Patterson). Carr's absence allowed guys like Malachi Toney, Josh Moore and Daylyn Upshaw to thrive, and his '24 classmate JoJo Trader jumped to another level physically and in terms of consistent production.

Given his price tag, the urgency of modern college football, and Carr's eagerness to play, the sides parted ways. I never heard a bad word about him, and he has a chance to produce at his next stop if he physically matures. In my opinion, this would be a player to target in the Portal for other teams.
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Honestly recruiting is a waste of money. Kids get paid upfront and 70% leave within 2 years
 
SIBCanes said:
Honestly recruiting is a waste of money. Kids get paid upfront and 70% leave within 2 years
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It has diminished HS recruiting as a whole in my view point. Our 23 class is all but gone and we are going into year 3 there and the 24 class is now falling apart. Just goes with the times, but the arguments that the portal wasnt sustainable, I thought it would only be used as a supplement, are not aging well at all.
 
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Hurracanes said:
Do you think the new changes will push college football back to a time where programs are limited in what they can offer, and SEC schools start getting more aggressive with under the table deals again?
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This is what I fear. No way Nick Saban is lobbying for these changes without that hidden agenda for the SEC to be able to cheat again IMO.
 
Calinative said:
I agree. Now honestly we NEED 2 WRs. We have 7 WRs on the roster, and I don't trust Ray Ray at all.

Legit Fitzgerald needs to be moved to WR ASAP....
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Really only 6 unless Chance is fully healthy in a week or two and can start catching balls with Beck.
 
TXCane said:
So Carr came in from high school, flashed and consistently got open, then with UM coaching he became inconsistent?
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Playing against 3rd string last year in practice flashed and consistently got open. Trying to go against 1st string(and most likely not putting in the work) this year.
 
AtrainCane said:
The problem I have with last years wr rotation was Sam Brown. His production could have been replaced with JoJo or Carr easy. And Im sure he wasnt cheap. You would have gotten to see the younger players in games more to see what they actually had before this year and....they havent made an impact so were letting them go.....
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Sam brown was one of the reasons we won the Louisville game. He wasn’t lights out, but neither was Horton who dropped passes, restrepo who fumbled our season away, and Jacolby who liked 15 yard penalties.

He wasn’t as bad as most made him out to be.
 
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