On Ny Carr...Staying at UM

[Wake_Cane]

While I agree with the basic thought, I have a couple of questions.

First, where is the "build up of the impression that he is more than he is"? I don't think anyone ever said Emory's arm was as strong as Cam's, or he was as fast as Cam, or even that he could improvise like Cam. Since so many people on CIS seem to be permanently damaged by the whole "Emory is not as good as we want him to be" trauma, I'd like to know the specific comments that made Emory out to be something he was not. And let's not forget that some Miami players perform better in practice than they do in games. There's even a phrase for it, if only I could remember what it is...

Second, I have no idea why in the **** "the bowl game was such a shocker for the fan base". Ask @Wake_Cane , at the beginning of the second half when we put Emory in, I turned to the Iowa State suite next to our suite and told them "congratulations, you just won the game". Anyone who actually paid attention to the mechanics that Emory showed AT ANY POINT in his UM career could tell you that he was nowhere near the level of a guy who could put the team on his back and win games. He was a gutty game manager AT BEST. Anyone who actually paid attention to our pursuit of John Mateer could tell you that the coaching staff was doing everything possible to find a bona fide starting QB over Emory.

I'm actually shocked that "the fan base" was shocked. It's stunning. What kind of dopes listen to coach-speak and take that **** literally, and then are angry and "shocked" to learn that coaches are not 100% direct and honest with every word that comes out of their mouths?

can confirm he said those exact words. To the president of Iowa State university in fact lol. (among others in the adjacent suite)

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I can only speak for CanesInSight, but we were screaming about the need for a Portal QB since the beginning of the season.

This is 100% true.

****, I remember a very specific conversation a bunch of us had DURING THE SEASON (Caffe Vialetto?) where we talked about our Portal QB options for December.

Who in the **** was dopey enough to believe Emory was going to be the 2025 starter against Notre Dame? And just because a few coaches said a few nice things about his practices?

 

[hoops156]

While I agree with the basic thought, I have a couple of questions.

First, where is the "build up of the impression that he is more than he is"? I don't think anyone ever said Emory's arm was as strong as Cam's, or he was as fast as Cam, or even that he could improvise like Cam. Since so many people on CIS seem to be permanently damaged by the whole "Emory is not as good as we want him to be" trauma, I'd like to know the specific comments that made Emory out to be something he was not. And let's not forget that some Miami players perform better in practice than they do in games. There's even a phrase for it, if only I could remember what it is...

Second, I have no idea why in the **** "the bowl game was such a shocker for the fan base". Ask @Wake_Cane , at the beginning of the second half when we put Emory in, I turned to the Iowa State suite next to our suite and told them "congratulations, you just won the game". Anyone who actually paid attention to the mechanics that Emory showed AT ANY POINT in his UM career could tell you that he was nowhere near the level of a guy who could put the team on his back and win games. He was a gutty game manager AT BEST. Anyone who actually paid attention to our pursuit of John Mateer could tell you that the coaching staff was doing everything possible to find a bona fide starting QB over Emory.

I'm actually shocked that "the fan base" was shocked. It's stunning. What kind of dopes listen to coach-speak and take that **** literally, and then are angry and "shocked" to learn that coaches are not 100% direct and honest with every word that comes out of their mouths?

not that d money said it, but there were a lot of posters in the game day threads that said emory was going to be our starter and lead us (in many ways out perform cam bc hes smart and will take the easy plays). he sucked and always sucked even when the noodle broke his arm stupidly.

 

[SCarolina Ibis]

It’s not really that complicated. Those guys received praise when they played well and showed flashes. All three are really talented.

They stopped receiving praise in spring because they didn’t have good springs. That was because of injury, slowed development, or (in some cases, not Carr) off-field issues.

This has become a win-now sport. Guys that could previously work through issues often end up in the Portal. They’re expensive to the team, and the players want opportunity.

All three of these guys fall in the same category: talented prospects who showed flashes but failed to make any progress in spring. It’s not ideal for anybody that it didn’t work out, but it’s reality. The good news for them is that they can rebound in the next spot, and the good news for us is that we have more money to use on other players.

"the good news for us is that we have more money to use on other players."

I gotta ask about this part right here. This isn't a call out or anytihng. Just bear with me.

Everyone knows that the House settlement will allow schools to pay players directly. But its also going to significantly change the way NIL money can be spent.

Any NIL deal that's in place before House is approved will be grandfathered in. But after that, anything over $600 have to be approved.

The coaches I've talked to seem to think that the $600 cap will significantly reduce the number of guys who jump into the portal over the next few seasons, because their grandfathered NIL will pay them waaaay more money than they'd be able to get somewhere else under the new rules.

(They also think it'll lead to under the table deals the SEC is famous for.)

So what I'm wondering is, with time running out on uncapped NIL, doesn't it make more sense to give that money to younger guys (like Carr) with multiple years of eligibility left than it does to give it to guys with 1 year left?

 

[Wake_Cane]

This is 100% true.

****, I remember a very specific conversation a bunch of us had DURING THE SEASON (Caffe Vialetto?) where we talked about our Portal QB options for December.

Who in the **** was dopey enough to believe Emory was going to be the 2025 starter against Notre Dame? And just because a few coaches said a few nice things about his practices?

It's not a particularly new phenomenon that the backup QB is irrationally lionized...What are we even talking about in this thread yall?!?!

 

[DMoney]

"the good news for us is that we have more money to use on other players."

I gotta ask about this part right here. This isn't a call out or anytihng. Just bear with me.

Everyone knows that the House settlement will allow schools to pay players directly. But its also going to significantly change the way NIL money can be spent.

Any NIL deal that's in place before House is approved will be grandfathered in. But after that, anything over $600 have to be approved.

The coaches I've talked to seem to think that the $600 cap will significantly reduce the number of guys who jump into the portal over the next few seasons, because their grandfathered NIL will pay them waaaay more money than they'd be able to get somewhere else under the new rules.

(They also think it'll lead to under the table deals the SEC is famous for.)

So what I'm wondering is, with time running out on uncapped NIL, doesn't it make more sense to give that money to younger guys (like Carr) with multiple years of eligibility left than it does to give it to guys with 1 year left?

Good and accurate points, but there also new front-loaded deals being made all over the country before the cap gets approved.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Right. It was a missed eval and/or a poor eval... but the Mariopologists are out in every portal thread blaming the players...

Same ole same ole.

And -- i understand your need to be balanced in that...

What a ******* stupid post.

It's the same ole same ole with you. Blame the coaches. The coaches are always to blame.

The truth is that there is blame to share for plateauing/not developing. Some of it is on the coaches, maybe they didn't motivate properly, teach well enough, or provide the right guidance. But it's pretty reasonable to put more than 50% on the individual. Lots of factors could be to blame. Laziness is an easy word to use, but there are plenty of college students, athletes and non-athletes, who do not flourish in college at the age of 18 or 19.

It is nearly impossible to predict who will have the right mix of skills to push themselves to the next level. I saw plenty of college classmates who were well-prepared for success...who then flailed around once they were on their own.

Nobody has a crystal ball or 100% success rate in predicting which 17-18 year olds will grow and succeed once they are in college. It's why there is (generally) a higher success rate with Portal players, as they've had a couple of years to prove themselves at the college level.

But, sure..."missed eval and/or poor eval". It's always the same with you.

 

[Calinative]

This is a textbook example of what makes the portal heavy strategy so risky. Everything about it is contradictory.

The plan is to replace Carr, who has 2 seasons of eligibility left (minimum) with someone who'll have 1.

The 1 year rental will cost substantially more than Carr (if not, then wtf) AND we'll probably have to go back to the portal for a WR next year because we just lost Carr.

"But Moore and Toney already passed him."

Did they? Did anyone think that was the case until Carr jumped into the portal? And god forbid either of them have a "bad spring" in 2026.

Just so everyone knows, last year Drelon Miller wanted the same amount we eventually gave to Sam Brown. So...

Risky sure. But you're also getting a likely proven guy that should be immediately better. That's the entire point. Everyone says we need x upgrades to be a legit playoff team. Well we are looking to make some of those additions, and it has consequences. You hope not to lose top players obviously. But is what it is.

The reality seems to be all top recruits making a lot of money have 1.5 yrs to earn their money or leave the roster or take a pay cut. That's just the new reality of how we have to look at things when money isn't infinite.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Keepers for me would have been Roberts, JHH, Brashard. And none of these were blue chippers. ... Moss, Acheampong, Citizen, Kelly, Wayne et al may end up having great college careers. But they didn't show enough at Miami and haven't shown enough elsewhere so far. And we need to win now.

Agreed.

In my book, UM defensive tackles have to be REALLY TERRIBLE or else commit a crime for me to support pushing them out of the program.

 

[Trav]

What a ******* stupid post.

It's the same ole same ole with you. Blame the coaches. The coaches are always to blame.

The truth is that there is blame to share for plateauing/not developing. Some of it is on the coaches, maybe they didn't motivate properly, teach well enough, or provide the right guidance. But it's pretty reasonable to put more than 50% on the individual. Lots of factors could be to blame. Laziness is an easy word to use, but there are plenty of college students, athletes and non-athletes, who do not flourish in college at the age of 18 or 19.

It is nearly impossible to predict who will have the right mix of skills to push themselves to the next level. I saw plenty of college classmates who were well-prepared for success...who then flailed around once they were on their own.

Nobody has a crystal ball or 100% success rate in predicting which 17-18 year olds will grow and succeed once they are in college. It's why there is (generally) a higher success rate with Portal players, as they've had a couple of years to prove themselves at the college level.

But, sure..."missed eval and/or poor eval". It's always the same with you.

It really is stupid. Ohio State had 14 guys already in the portal from the last cycle. Likely more in the Spring. All "missed evals" huh? There's either a boring played out shtick/agenda here or a massive misunderstanding of the current landscape of college football. What other seldom used or redshirt freshman WR should they have gone after instead?

It's also ***-backward logic. We got a decent WR haul last year and this one is so much better they're pushing out a guy from last year and that's proof of "bad recruiting?"

 

[DTP]

It really is stupid. Ohio State had 14 guys already in the portal from the last cycle. Likely more in the Spring. All "missed evals" huh? There's either a boring played out shtick/agenda here or a massive misunderstanding of the current landscape of college football. What other seldom used or redshirt freshman WR should they have gone after instead?

It's also ***-backward logic. We got a decent WR haul last year and this one is so much better they're pushing out a guy from last year and that's proof of "bad recruiting?"

Georgia has now had 17 players enter the portal since the end of the 2024 season. You can always tell who the guys who don’t pay attention to college football outside of Miami are because they always assume what happens here would never happen at a place like Ohio State or Georgia.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

not that d money said it, but there were a lot of posters in the game day threads that said emory was going to be our starter and lead us (in many ways out perform cam bc hes smart and will take the easy plays). he sucked and always sucked even when the noodle broke his arm stupidly.

I am confused now. And this is nothing personal, I'm just asking a few questions.

If "a lot of posters" said it, then it's not coming from UM or @DMoney , right?

And if they said that on gameday threads...HOW? Emory barely played in 2024.

Those questions are not directed at you individually, I just don't see how people could be fooled here. There were also threads about our pursuit of John Mateer, and that was weeks before the bowl game.

I like Emory. I respect Emory. I support all of my fellow UM alums. But I had no delusions about whether he would be our starting QB. Ever. No matter what any coaches said after practices and no matter what any posters said in gameday threads, I knew all season long that we would pursue another transfer QB after Cam. It wasn't even debateable.

The only debate was WHO we would get from the Portal to succeed Cam Ward.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

It really is stupid. Ohio State had 14 guys already in the portal from the last cycle. Likely more in the Spring. All "missed evals" huh? There's either a boring played out shtick/agenda here or a massive misunderstanding of the current landscape of college football. What other seldom used or redshirt freshman WR should they have gone after instead?

It's also ***-backward logic. We got a decent WR haul last year and this one is so much better they're pushing out a guy from last year and that's proof of "bad recruiting?"

"Missed evals and/or poor evals" - @Angry Ibis

 

[Trav]

I am confused now. And this is nothing personal, I'm just asking a few questions.

If "a lot of posters" said it, then it's not coming from UM or @DMoney , right?

And if they said that on gameday threads...HOW? Emory barely played in 2024.

Those questions are not directed at you individually, I just don't see how people could be fooled here. There were also threads about our pursuit of John Mateer, and that was weeks before the bowl game.

I like Emory. I respect Emory. I support all of my fellow UM alums. But I had no delusions about whether he would be our starting QB. Ever. No matter what any coaches said after practices and no matter what any posters said in gameday threads, I knew all season long that we would pursue another transfer QB after Cam. It wasn't even debateable.

Those of us who have watched college football for more than 5 minutes told everyone Emory was never going to be the starter here in '25.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

Georgia has now had 17 players enter the portal since the end of the 2024 season. You can always tell who the guys who don’t pay attention to college football outside of Miami are because they always assume what happens here would never happen at a place like Ohio State or Georgia.

"Missed evals and/or poor evals" - @Angry Ibis

 

[Hurracanes]

Good and accurate points, but there also new front-loaded deals being made all over the country before the cap gets approved.

Do you think the new changes will push college football back to a time where programs are limited in what they can offer, and SEC schools start getting more aggressive with under the table deals again?

 

[Shooter McGavin]

Tell me what you know, objectively, about Ny Carr's performance this spring.

I'm not even asking this rhetorically. Has anyone heard anything about Carr having a good spring? I'm not the only one at practice. The spring game was wide open to the public. What are you hearing different than what I'm being "fed?"

You glaze 90% of the players on this roster and past rosters. That’s no secret.

 

[STG]

In this particular scenario, how was @DMoney missleading? This spring, did Carr get the same praise as Trader, Toney, and Moore? Not even remotely close. Now reflecting back into the last month or so, this move actually isn’t that surprising.

That doesn’t mean Carr is a bad talent. Since he’s been at Miami, he has made some plays in practice because he’s still a good player. There is no denying that. Wherever he lands, he’ll likely put up good numbers. However, this WR room has a lot of talent in it, and we heard a lot more hype about some of the other players this spring.

People need to come to the realization that just because we hear a player had a good day or made a nice play, doesn’t mean they’re automatically going to start and be a stud

Forget for a minute that Dmoney said anything. Let's just look at the scenario.

Ny Carr is a former top 100 and prized recruit from last years class. He received rave reviews by everyone from the time he arrived at Miami and even throughout the season. Of course all of that was based on what was taking place at practices.

Fast forward just a few months, that's all, a few months and now a young man, who has been at UM all of 1 year, who was being praised by everyone, that just turned 19, has plateaued? And that every freshmen receiver who has only been here a handful of months are already better than him?

Is it possible that maybe Carr wasn't as good as it was being stated to begin with?

Is it possible that Carr actually hasn't plateaued, but Miami is just moving on due to them wanting to allocate those funds elsewhere?

Is it possible that Carr himself wanted to just leave because of his own personal reasons?

And to the point of us hearing more hype about other young players at his position, is it likely all of the freshmen are already better than Carr?

 

[Trav]

There is no logic here and I'm not even going to argue it anymore. We're all in agreement that major teams should carry like 8-9 scholarship WRs on their rosters right? And so it stands to reason that some of those guys on the roster will inevitably have to be in the 6-9 position, likely meaning they won't play much if at all. And some of them were undoubtedly "big recruits." Us, Ohio State, Texas, etc don't bring in 2 star WRs anymore. We also understand the landscape of college football means if you're a guy in the 6-9 position after your true freshman year, there's a good chance you may portal out. So by that logic every team suffers from "missed/poor evals" just by virtue of having an 85 man roster (and soon more).

Do some of you stop and think this stuff through at all?

 

[DMoney]

Do you think the new changes will push college football back to a time where programs are limited in what they can offer, and SEC schools start getting more aggressive with under the table deals again?

Yes. Hopefully the new third-party enforcement arm is less corrupt than the NCAA.