On Ny Carr...Staying at UM

[dorsey1]

New recruits coming in now really almost have to be physically mature or develop quickly once you arrive or it could set you back-

No more wasted years-You literally have to be ready year one -Like Simpson-Of all positions at DT is extremely difficult to play as a freshman-

Wish Carr well wherever he lands.

 

[Canezhill21]

So Carr came in from high school, flashed and consistently got open, then with UM coaching he became inconsistent?

Or he was constantly getting open last year going up against a really bad secondary. A year later going up to against really talented DBs he couldn’t do the same.

 

[STG]

I take offense to the comment that I'm being "fed" stuff on Ny Carr. It's BS.

I'm at every spring practice, in full. I saw Carr on the sideline due to injury. When he suited up, I saw others make plays while he did not. I stood right next to him and saw that he was struggling to gain weight. Nobody needed to feed me anything.

Did you see different at practice? Did you hear different? If you did, tell me. If you didn't, please don't tell me what I'm being "fed." People who go to practice don't contradict my stuff because it's true and easy to see.

Do I hold stuff back? Of course. I protect the team at all costs. But if I post something, it's either: (1) something I personally believe or (2) something I'm clearly labeling as from a source. When the coaches were telling me they believed in Emory as a starter, I told everyone what they thought. Then, I told you my personal opinion that we needed a transfer. Everyone can form their own conclusions from there.

And anyway, who am I protecting by saying Carr plateaued? How is that spin or pro-Hecht propaganda? That means he was either misevaluated or didn't develop. Neither is a good look. I hope he catches on at another program and makes lives up the potential he showed in his first spring and in flashes. He was always a good kid in my brief interactions with him.

I read your stuff on RCT back in the day and appreciate you have a connection to the program. If you see me, say hello so we can talk about our Canes. But don't accuse me of lying to people. Especially when you know I'm telling the truth.

First, as I said don't things personal. I never said you lied. However, I will hold my ground saying that individuals reporting on UM football are definitely asked to "toe the company line."

You yourself just stated you hold stuff back. That is my point. 95% of what is reported is nothing but rainbows and butterflies, when you and I both know that there is plenty that can be stated that is not. And a good bit of it can be done without directly ****ting on the staff, players or program. There are ways to report on things without seeming overly critical. However, those reports are not wanted by those at UM football.

Again, I know you are in a unique position and can't go into some things that let's say may have the fans get concerned, upset or bothered with, however, with me knowing some of those things, I get a little annoyed at times hearing everything is great (not just by your reporting). It's just misleading to the fans, which I of course am one.

With that being said, I'll definitely say whats up if I see you around. Here's to hoping we land some ballers we are hoping to here in the spring portal.

 

[DC3]

I genuinely wonder if this seems more of a miami trend because that is who we tend to focus on or if it is more so simply the landscape of NCAA now.

Just for fun I pulled up 2023 classes to compare.

OSU top signees:

Carnell Tate (hit but TBD if he lives up to 5* billing, I think he is solid but not great)
Innis (looks like a bust thus far)
Noah Rogers (Transfer)
Malik Hartford (Still on team, no pics only 4 tackles last year)
Jelani Thurman (still on team, 4 catches for 42 yards in his career)
Calvin Simpson (transfer to Baylor)

UGA
Jordan Wilson (looks like a bust, appeared in 6 games last year as a reserve, zero starts, 4 tackles, no sacks)
Raylen WIlson (see what he does this year, one start at LB last year, 47 total tackles)
AJ Harris (Transfer to Penn State)
Joenel Arguero ( decent player, started 5 games last year, 17 tackles, zero INT)
Monroe Freeling (still on team, started 4 games last year, TBD)
Damon Wilson (transfer to Mizzou)
Troy Bowles (transfer to Michigan)


I didnt include Bama, we all know they lost Caleb Downs but I feel they are an outlier with losing Saban but looking at these lists of the top 100 guys seems to not be drastically different than us. Few reserve guys, few transfers and 1-2 hits.

If you can get around 7 guys in one class to become starters/role players that’s a huge success. The rest are going to transfer out, retire from injuries or just be bench players

 

[nycane]

I take offense to the comment that I'm being "fed" stuff on Ny Carr. It's BS.

I'm at every spring practice, in full. I saw Carr on the sideline due to injury. When he suited up, I saw others make plays while he did not. I stood right next to him and saw that he was struggling to gain weight. Nobody needed to feed me anything.

Did you see different at practice? Did you hear different? If you did, tell me. If you didn't, please don't tell me what I'm being "fed." People who go to practice don't contradict my stuff because it's true and easy to see.

Do I hold stuff back? Of course. I protect the team at all costs. But if I post something, it's either: (1) something I personally believe or (2) something I'm clearly labeling as from a source. When the coaches were telling me they believed in Emory as a starter, I told everyone what they thought. Then, I told you my personal opinion that we needed a transfer. Everyone can form their own conclusions from there.

And anyway, who am I protecting by saying Carr plateaued? How is that spin or pro-Hecht propaganda? That means he was either misevaluated or didn't develop. Neither is a good look. I hope he catches on at another program and lives up the potential he showed in his first spring and in flashes. He was always a good kid in my brief interactions with him.

I read your stuff on RCT back in the day and appreciate you have a connection to the program. If you see me, say hello so we can talk about our Canes. But don't accuse me of lying to people. Especially when you know I'm telling the truth.

anyone see him in the bowl game?
hes also skinny and doesnt play at full speed. I loved him out of hs but the problem is the 3 fresh came to play.
Jojo is made the jump, NY hasn't. this is a business now. Mario wants to win now. no more developmental stuff.

 

[Tonio]

Honestly, could just be overreaction and us just looking at past rankings/stars. Since 2022, have we really lost any meaningful guys to the portal?

Best player was Eli Roberts who had little commotion over him leaving. Could say Hunter, Miller (SMU DT trend…) Darrell Jackson but many would argue those are second teamers rather than impact guys.

The portal gives and the portal takes, and we’ve been on the better side of it. Let’s hope it stays that way, guess you have to give the staff credit until proven otherwise.

 

[Ghurd8]

Frustrating but it is what is. We kept Samson around, rightfully so, but we can't keep Carr? @STG is right in that we can't afford to lose guys at the clip of better recruiting programs. However I don't give a **** who they're replaced by as long as they perform.

Bad look be damned, as long as we perform on the field, recruits will see results & see a path to success for them.

This sucks but the sky isn't falling

 

[grover]

If we can't count 2022, why does Mario get credit for Cooper and McCoy? You can't have it both ways. Either he gets credit and blame for it all, or he gets neither. You don't get to pick and choose.

As far as attrition, let me explain to you the difference. First, you are right, we are not the only school that is losing talent, everyone does.

You used Alabama and Georgia as two programs to point to that lose talent. They do, no doubt about it. But you chose those two because they are 2 of the top 3 programs in the last 10 years in CFB.

Why are they? For many reasons, but undoubetdly at the top of the list is because as you pointed out, you need to "stack chips", constantly and they are two of the best at bringing in elite classes.

So to my first point, we are NOT stacking chips anywhere near the likes of Alabama and Georgia. I think it's safe to say that, those teams pulling in the most top 100 players in the country constantly will be the most dominant programs in the country. And the numbers prove that.

So to my point, Alabama signed 38 composite top 100 players from 2022-2024, Georgia signed 33, while Miami signed a massive 13. So even if the hit rate is 50% at best (did not verify) when we miss on 50% of our 13 guys, we have 6/7 left, while when Alabama and Georgia miss at 50%, they have 19 or 16/17 top 100 players left. See the glaring difference? We cannot afford to miss at the same rate at those programs, when they are light years ahead of us recruiting. You aren't winning a **** thing with 6 or 7 top 100 players on your roster.

Second, most of those guys leave from those schools because they get beat out by other elite players (top 100). We aren't losing guys who get beat out by other elite players, because we don't have very many of them to begin with. So when we have top 100 guys leaving because they get beat out by guys not as highly ranked, well, I would say our evals were likely a little more off.

I was responding to your "not a good look" comment, not to any overall roster comparison vs UGA and Bama. We can argue about rosters separately. My point is that Mario and staff are not failing to evaluate and develop well because half their blue chippers transfer out. That's essentially the going rate for top high school recruits, not much better or worse than other top programs.

Regarding depth of talent, all the more reason to aggressively trade up in the portal. Just because ZP was a blue chipper doesn't mean we don't need to find better safety play than what we saw from him in 2024 and what we were unable to see from him during the offseason.

 

[ST26]

First, as I said don't things personal. I never said you lied. However, I will hold my ground saying that individuals reporting on UM football are definitely asked to "toe the company line."

You yourself just stated you hold stuff back. That is my point. 95% of what is reported is nothing but rainbows and butterflies, when you and I both know that there is plenty that can be stated that is not. And a good bit of it can be done without directly ****ting on the staff, players or program. There are ways to report on things without seeming overly critical. However, those reports are not wanted by those at UM football.

Again, I know you are in a unique position and can't go into some things that let's say may have the fans get concerned, upset or bothered with, however, with me knowing some of those things, I get a little annoyed at times hearing everything is great (not just by your reporting). It's just misleading to the fans, which I of course am one.

With that being said, I'll definitely say whats up if I see you around. Here's to hoping we land some ballers we are hoping to here in the spring portal.

In this particular scenario, how was @DMoney missleading? This spring, did Carr get the same praise as Trader, Toney, and Moore? Not even remotely close. Now reflecting back into the last month or so, this move actually isn’t that surprising.

That doesn’t mean Carr is a bad talent. Since he’s been at Miami, he has made some plays in practice because he’s still a good player. There is no denying that. Wherever he lands, he’ll likely put up good numbers. However, this WR room has a lot of talent in it, and we heard a lot more hype about some of the other players this spring.

People need to come to the realization that just because we hear a player had a good day or made a nice play, doesn’t mean they’re automatically going to start and be a stud

 

[JG14]

I can name you 40 guys who haven't been praised or talked about at all during spring. Have they all plateaued? Should we let them all walk?

No. It would not be good for practice or depth in case injuries happen.

 

[SouthsideAtl]

Not gonna lie this one shocked me a lil bit

 

[DTP]

The problem I have with last years wr rotation was Sam Brown. His production could have been replaced with JoJo or Carr easy. And Im sure he wasnt cheap. You would have gotten to see the younger players in games more to see what they actually had before this year and....they havent made an impact so were letting them go.....

The reason we got Sam Brown was because, for whatever reason, the staff wasn’t comfortable with Restrepo, George and Horton as our top 3. Most people here agreed. I don’t think he was brought in to essentially be our 4th guy. He was supposed to be our top outside guy but George and Horton were better. I think the staff probably would have preferred to give WR4 snaps to a younger guy than overpay a veteran to be WR4 but hindsight is always 20/20

 

[HurricanesR1]

no more developmental stuff.

I think this applies to certain players. If you're a project like a Demetrius Campbell and you're paid like a developmental player, it's all good.

If you're paid like a win-now blue chip athlete but you're performing like someone who's developmental, then you gotta bounce.

 

[SouthsideAtl]

Also this another reason everyone really needs to take EVERYTHING that is reported by ANYONE covering UM, about any young guy "looking great", to hear months later they have somehow plateaued with a grain of salt. That is not the truth. Mario has complete control of everyone covering UM and has fed what he wants fed.

Real talk….folks was saying he was running with the 1s in practice now he in the portal something ain’t adding up

 

[grover]

Honestly, could just be overreaction and us just looking at past rankings/stars. Since 2022, have we really lost any meaningful guys to the portal?

Best player was Eli Roberts who had little commotion over him leaving. Could say Hunter, Miller (SMU DT trend…) Darrell Jackson but many would argue those are second teamers rather than impact guys.

The portal gives and the portal takes, and we’ve been on the better side of it. Let’s hope it stays that way, guess you have to give the staff credit until proven otherwise.

Keepers for me would have been Roberts, JHH, Brashard. And none of these were blue chippers. ... Moss, Acheampong, Citizen, Kelly, Wayne et al may end up having great college careers. But they didn't show enough at Miami and haven't shown enough elsewhere so far. And we need to win now.

 

[S.CarolinaCane]

We're starting to see a pattern with these Miami Portal departures: talented players who had coaches genuinely excited at one point, but plateaued in their development and struggled to get on the field this spring.

Carr is a guy I loved in spring '24. He got open consistently and made plays from Cam Ward and others. Over time, his inconsistency became a concern and his body was slow to develop. This led to some nagging injuries, including missing significant time this spring (like Josh Horton and Zaquan Patterson). Carr's absence allowed guys like Malachi Toney, Josh Moore and Daylyn Upshaw to thrive, and his '24 classmate JoJo Trader jumped to another level physically and in terms of consistent production.

Given his price tag, the urgency of modern college football, and Carr's eagerness to play, the sides parted ways. I never heard a bad word about him, and he has a chance to produce at his next stop if he physically matures. In my opinion, this would be a player to target in the Portal for other teams.

Wish all of these guys some luck...if our roster is filling with elite talent, than we need to continue to have elite competitors. Development isnt always 100% on coaches.

Players have to have a certain mindset

 

[CienPorCientoCane]

Why can receivers like Toney, Moore, and Jojo make an impact and get praise but not Carr.

Whats the point?

 

[Tonio]

Keepers for me would have been Roberts, JHH, Brashard. And none of these were blue chippers. ... Moss, Acheampong, Citizen, Kelly, Wayne et al may end up having great college careers. But they didn't show enough at Miami and haven't shown enough elsewhere so far. And we need to win now.

Didn’t include Brashard because he apparently never wanted to make the switch to RB here. We have plenty more wins than losses when it comes to the portal, so I’ll have to trust that department under Mario knows more than we do.

Sneaking in 135 lb Moss in there was uncalled for though wish him the best but unless he’s juiced out the gills I don’t see it

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I think you can be positive about a guy without building up the impression he is more than he is. That's why the bowl game was such a shocker for the fan base.

While I agree with the basic thought, I have a couple of questions.

First, where is the "build up of the impression that he is more than he is"? I don't think anyone ever said Emory's arm was as strong as Cam's, or he was as fast as Cam, or even that he could improvise like Cam. Since so many people on CIS seem to be permanently damaged by the whole "Emory is not as good as we want him to be" trauma, I'd like to know the specific comments that made Emory out to be something he was not. And let's not forget that some Miami players perform better in practice than they do in games. There's even a phrase for it, if only I could remember what it is...

Second, I have no idea why in the **** "the bowl game was such a shocker for the fan base". Ask @Wake_Cane , at the beginning of the second half when we put Emory in, I turned to the Iowa State suite next to our suite and told them "congratulations, you just won the game". Anyone who actually paid attention to the mechanics that Emory showed AT ANY POINT in his UM career could tell you that he was nowhere near the level of a guy who could put the team on his back and win games. He was a gutty game manager AT BEST. Anyone who actually paid attention to our pursuit of John Mateer could tell you that the coaching staff was doing everything possible to find a bona fide starting QB over Emory.

I'm actually shocked that "the fan base" was shocked. It's stunning. What kind of dopes listen to coach-speak and take that **** literally, and then are angry and "shocked" to learn that coaches are not 100% direct and honest with every word that comes out of their mouths?

 

[CienPorCientoCane]

First, don't take things personally. I can tell you with 100% certainity you aren't reporting a lot of things. And or skew things at times with orange and green goggles on. I get it, it's your bread and butter, but I know the truth. How? I am just as connected to this team as you are. And I say that without hesitation.

Second, the spring game was an absolute joke. If anybody took anything away from that, they should go sit in a corner. Not to mention, all spring this offense was run by 2 QBs who have no business being on scholarship at UM and another who should be getting ready for his senior prom.

At the end of the day, I understand there are definitely certain things you and others can't report, but the hype, fluff, and than ultimate cover up is too much and really needs to stop.

Why are you here?