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Okay let's run spread - what type?

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BoxingRobes said:
Two qualifications

~40 rush attempts per game.
Routes go vertical.
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I know we want big plays from downfield shots, but vertical routes are one of the reasons our offense struggles.

I get tired of watching our quarterbacks get sacked looking at the backs of receivers.

I want a robust short passing game that stresse the defense horizontally and gives us more chances for y.a.c. Mix this up with downhill running to stay unpredictable.

It allows young quarterbacks to gain momentum and confidence completing passes and not taking unnecessary hits that ruin their poise and make them develop bad habits of looking at the rush and freezing in the pocket.

Our offense is most efficient when we do this. We will eat defenses alive for playing off coverage and open run lanes because the underneath defenders have to read the play and not cheat run.

With better plays for 3rd and medium or less and red zone, we will be a well oiled machine and hard to stop.

When the defense comes up to stop the short passes and run game, GREAT!

We give the quarterback the power to adjust the play and attack them deep RIGHT NOW.

No need to force throws into bad numbers downfield. We take our shots when the percentages are in our favor, and if we do the short passing game and run game right, that will be OFTEN.
 
TruCane81 said:
I know we want big plays from downfield shots, but vertical routes are one of the reasons our offense struggles.

I get tired of watching our quarterbacks get sacked looking at the backs of receivers.

I want a robust short passing game that stresse the defense horizontally and gives us more chances for y.a.c. Mix this up with downhill running to stay unpredictable.

It allows young quarterbacks to gain momentum and confidence completing passes and not taking unnecessary hits that ruin their poise and make them develop bad habits of looking at the rush and freezing in the pocket.

Our offense is most efficient when we do this. We will eat defenses alive for playing off coverage and open run lanes because the underneath defenders have to read the play and not cheat run.

With better plays for 3rd and medium or less and red zone, we will be a well oiled machine and hard to stop.

When the defense comes up to stop the short passes and run game, GREAT!

We give the quarterback the power to adjust the play and attack them deep RIGHT NOW.

No need to force throws into bad numbers downfield. We take our shots when the percentages are in our favor, and if we do the short passing game and run game right, that will be OFTEN.
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Enos ran a horizontal offense. It's called the west coast offense and It's too conservative. Give me the Air Coryell passing game.
 
D RevLee said:
Enos ran a horizontal offense. It's called the west coast offense and It's too conservative. Give me the Air Coryell passing game.
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Most of the short routes were secondary reads we never had time to come back to.

When we threw quickly, we were at our best. Problem was those plays were mostly rpo slants and when the defenses started jumping them, we had nothing else to go to,

The screens worked good for us. We should have added even more of them.

I want an aggressive downfield passing attack as much as anyone, but we have not been able to protect for that for a long time.

We rag on the offensive line, but expect a vertical passing game. It won’t happen. We will make Van Dyke the savior as a true freshman then turn on him when he loses his poise and plays like **** taking unnecessary hits.

The deep shots will be there. Our first priority needs to be getting the quarterbacks comfortable with easy reads and throws. Make the defense come up and throw deep early with max protect. Use the short game and run game together as a single entity, calling plays based on numbers in the box and on how linebackers and safeties are playing the short routes.

This is similar to the system Tulsa used to get yards and points with poor offensive line talent.
 
ghost2 said:
Per this article at least, Clemson is running more of a smashmouth spread or power spread when they go deep. Personally if I had unlimited control of the offense I'd want to run what Greg Roman is running in Baltimore. 3 TE, 3 RB, power/option spread that opens up huge windows in the pass game. Thinking of our recruiting base and the types of QBs bred in South Florida (along with still being TE and RB U) I'd love to see it. Failing that, give me pro-spread, move the pieces around and exploit those mismatches all day long.
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I mentioned grabbing Roman last year and was laughed off the board. If he has passing game or running game coordinator under him we could get that would be great. I would take him at HC at this point just to get his offense. You make an excellent point his offense would be excellent here granted we fixed the Oline.
 
NotBornYesterday said:
I completely get Penos system, scheme, playing calling worked to the weakness of his team, point taken..

I also get a good spread OC can take a average QB and attack Defensive set weakness and have success, point taken..

I also realize that if you want to take this Canes roster for 2020 and go full Air Raid or Pro-Spread with the QB's, Oline, we got then that OC has got his hands full.. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying your asking this Oline to pass block 45 times a game and for one of the QB's to chuck it 45 times a game, or more.. The QB's and Oline are weak spots..

That's why I'm saying go to a zone blocked run first spread and try to become a decent passing team out of the spread.. The bread and butter should be inside zone runs to RBs with QB zone reads, augmented by the passing game for 2020.. Spread OC should help the Oline out with zone blocking and the QB by not asking him to chuck it 45 times a game.. Chip Kelly, Ric Rod, Mullens, ect, some type of very run productive spread that creates space and attacks WTF the D is giving you.. Pound the rock 45 times and chuck it 25, protect the Oline with the zone block scheme, and set up your passes so the Oline is helped out since it sucks *** at pass blocking..

Recruit some stud Oline guys, get a Prime QB and transition into Pro-Style spread over a couple years.. You can still run some Pro-Spread plays 1st year mixed in, but you can't live by it, the Oline can't give the time needed..

This team was so corched up it's crazy to think in one year some OC is gonna come in here and run Pro-Spread like LSU.. it's a bad *** system, but it's complex and needs a Prime QB.. Tell you what if Brady comes home and makes Pro-Spread work next year with TVD or JW then I'll stand punked and corrected.. Canes aint got the WR's, Oline, or QB that LSU has, plus it's the most complex spread to learn to execute.. With this roster I just see any pass heavy spread struggling and Defenses will eat up what is the worst freking pass blocking Oline I ever seen.. I mean I'm freaking pushing 50 and I could have run that inside stunt untouched for La Tech and gotten pressure, it's that bad..
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wow a poster who gets it? Hello my friend. Thank you. Wish we could have gotten Lebby from UCF as he’s run a very well balanced scheme from what he’s been around.
 
Power spread because of the abundance of TEs and quality RBs. Powers spread also simplifies the route tree for our WRs.
 
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ghost2 said:
For 2020 I think the most effective and easily installed might be a Malzahn-esque, inside zone based spread (Lashlee?)
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Malzahn type offence is the one I want the least. Very few concepts and lots of eye candy. His offence, although I haven’t looked at the numbers, appears to have gone backwards in recent years.
He uses a lot of H back formations, where I think we want to use a more inline guy as a receiving threat.
Ive tried to dig up stuff on Malzahn’s offence but it is really hard to come by.
I actually like the look of what BYU put together schematically. They don’t have the athletes, but there is creativity in both run and pass. Zack Wilson will be a good one
 
MIATL said:
Definitely prefer the smash mouth spread. It relies on recruiting talent and creates a culture. Both things that benefit Miami.

Miami can recruit nationally, and should selectively do so. Stay in-State for the athletes you want in space, because you can grab hungry 3 stars with measurables and still produce. And you’ll still get the occasional local and national studs.

it’s also easiest for the QBs to learn. And it allows for good run/pass balance. That’s important to get running backs enough touches.

Downside: Fans will be disappointed Miami won’t be TEU anymore


That noted ...

Pro-style is, likely, what Diaz wants. But it requires high intellect at QB and a mature kid playing the position. I know Burrow is putting up video game numbers, but he’s also a 23-year old 5th-year senior. If Miami wants to go with that system, it’s time to start grabbing 2 QBs per cycle, sitting them the 1st year, and letting them know they won’t play until years 3-5, unless their special talents.

Gotta have smart linemen, and QB and WR have to be on the same page to maximize the pass concepts.

But with the right players, you look like LSU does this season.

Option spread is EXACTLY what the anti-spread Miami crowd is thinking when they oppose going to spread. It requires a special talent at QB to achieve the most success. And those kids are rare.

The power-spread works well when you have more talent than the opposition. Especially in the trenches. It also requires a running QB. As Dan Mullen says, he needs a willing QB, not a mobile QB. Being mobile just helps.

But the scheme is neutralized when teams have time to prepare for the angle blocking concepts, or have the DL good enough to win their match-ups. (Think Ohio State vs. Oregon). If you can’t make the opposing D drop the safety to defend the run, the offense is dead because they can’t get over the top.
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Being able to stop the run with two deep safeties puts pressure on all offenses.

EVERY OFFENSE gets whipped by outstanding defensive line play.

The only thing that can beat that is a qb who can get rid of the ball quickly and accurately.

No system is immune to being outmanned by the defense.

But with a star quarterback and a little protection, every defense is in trouble with today’s rules.
 
The Franchise said:
Finding a QB like Jackson is like the ultra rare treat of reaching into a really hot girl’s pants and finding a weener. Also, if you’re going to run the QB a lot, you better have some great backups, which is really tough these days.

Edit: I thought this was a PM with just me and ghost. I removed the stuff that made me look like a weirdo.
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This is why I don’t like the systems that run the quarterback straight at the defense. You got to have a monster like Newton or Prescott to run that **** and keep the quarterback healthy.

All I want is just enough zone read so the back side end can’t just crash and destroy run plays like they did all this season.

Quarterback keeps it every so often, gets a few yards, and slides. None of the hero ball. Just enough to get the running back more time to find the hole or cutback lane.
 
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ghost2 said:
Below is an awesome article that outlines four different schools of spread offenses and gives examples of each. When we say we want to go to an "up tempo spread" offense, let's think about whose offense we'd most like to emulate. Personally I like the "pro-spread" of LSU and the Chiefs/Rams, but if you have some time to browse the article, it'd be cool to get some consensus from the board.


Defined by intention: What is the “pro-style spread?” and what differentiates spread offenses? – Concerning Sports

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Indeed. I like Briles' version best. Dude landed mostly 2 and 3 star kids and his offenses were lights out. Mobile big uglies and SoFl talent combined with this offense and a strong play caller and look out.
 
Hurricane23 said:
Miami should run the west coast offense, but in a spread format
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Enos used west coast routes, but wouldn’t rely on the three step drop as the base of the passing game.

We need much more 1 and 3 step drop and put multiple receivers in the quarterbacks view at the snap. Lots of Trips and bunch with two short routes and one deep. Let quarterback release the ball quickly in rhythm without putting pressure on the offensive line to block long enough to read the entire field.

Our guys made plays taking short passes for first downs. That mixed with the inside zone read and quick playaction of it should be our identity until we improve the offensive line and throw deep passes with better accuracy.
 
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