Offense identity

[gogeta4]

Poinmt blank Richt is an avg OC at best. Problem is we have an offensive staff with below avg guys at their position or guys with not enough experience to even challenge or bring in any creativity to the offense.....and Richt appears to have want it that way.

If the offense is stale and bogged down...its on HIM. Had a chance to add to the offensive side with a gray beard/HC type with some ideas even if it was for a season and chose to promote a GA on defense.

 

[Pearson704]

Richt's identity at UGA was ground n pound. We don't have that really. When Mark is forced to calls 35-40 passes a game it looks really inconsistent.

It looks how it looks. Richt calls plays and players execute. This thread is absolutely mind-blowing; as if any other coordinator could do better with Malik. I honestly think as the line play improves we'll continue to develop an identity, but for now i'd personally like to see more QB draws on 1st down.

 

[Memnon]

It looks how it looks. Richt calls plays and players execute. This thread is absolutely mind-blowing; as if any other coordinator could do better with Malik. I honestly think as the line play improves we'll continue to develop an identity, but fir now i'd personally like to see more QB draws on 1st down.

Is Malik the only QB we have?

 

[Pearson704]

To answer your question OP, Richt is accountable for the Offense, always has been always will be.

He's the playcaller, play developer & the de facto QB coach because his son who isn't even 30 years old yet has very limited experience.

Our Offensive identity is big play or bust. If we don't hit on the Deep Ball we typically struggle on Offense because we're very inconsistent running the ball & against actual Defenses the intermediate passing game becomes nonexistent.

Everyone always says "we have guys running wide open, the offense is fine we just need a QB!", what you're basically saying is the Offense will be drastically better next year, but how can you assume that if the 3 QB's we got hardly ever play, in fact only 1 of them has ever taken a snap in more than 1 game. So, if I'm to believe the only thing that holds us back is a better QB & if I'm also to believe that QB is already on the team then wtf is taking so long to actually see it happen?

To me, the problem is this offense is specifically constructed for Rosier & none of the other QB's really work in it as of now because it's based around a guy that can only make certain throws against P5 competition. We really struggle run blocking against good Defenses which forces our QB to have to throw way more times than he should.

The job of an OC is to find the weaknesses of the Defense & exploit those weaknesses by creating mismatches. They put the playmakers in the best position to attack & move the ball while minimizing mistakes. We have to play around our deficiencies as an Offense, which means if we can only be good if everything is perfect then somebody is not doing their job.

If you think we can never expect to be good until we have an OL full of 4/5-star lineman who are all Juniors, then you're going to be waiting for long long time, because that's not going to happen anytime soon.

Can't keep making excuses, either Richt is this great OC that is above reproach or he's not. And if you're saying "next year with Jarren...", then ok... Keep pushing those goalposts but the clock is running out those excuses.

Actually, Malik is "big play or bust". The offense is a framework. The QB then uses his eyes, legs, arm, and brain to buy time and maneuver the defense within that framework. It sounds like you and several others don't know what you're talking about if you think a better QB wouldn't make this offense look different. Malik has shown the ability to bring this team back from behind and won big football games behind a shaky Oline. His equity affords him the starting spot despite better talent being on the roster. Key is to execute well enough to get ahead and play other QBs without losing the game.

 

[Pearson704]

Is Malik the only QB we have?

Malik beat FSU on the road after quieting the crowd on the final drive of the game and did the same thing with GT at home. He's got the juice at the end of the day and, despite Jarren's talent, you don't know what you'll get with him or any of the other QBs on the roster. I agree it's maddening to see Malik do what he does, but who would you want in the game for a final drive to win?

 

[Memnon]

Actually, Malik is "big play or bust". The offense is a framework. The QB then uses his eyes, legs, arm, and brain to manipulate the defense within that framework. It sounds like you and several others don't know what you're talking about if you think a better QB wouldn't make this offense look different. Malik has shown the ability to bring this team back from behind and won big football games behind a shaky Oline. His equity affords him the starting spot despite better talent being on the roster. Key is to execute well enough to get ahead and play other QBs without losing the game.

I've always felt a better QB would make the Offense look better, I just question the idea that at least 2 of the QB's behind him are seemingly more talented but can't get a snap in a real game.

His equity affords him the starting spot because he lead comes back vs FSU, GTech & Va last year, but didn't seem to have much standing when it came to Pitt, Clemson, Wisconsin & LSU.

I have no problem with sticking with Rosier come **** or high water, you guys just have to stop trying to convince the rest of us that Richt is a God amongst mere mortals. You guys argue that Rosier is the best option we have right now while simultaneously arguing that our Offense will look even better next year with one of the younger QB's despite those same QB's being as equally inexperienced as they are now. Can't have it both ways.

 

[Memnon]

Malik beat FSU on the road after quieting the crowd on the final drive of the game and did the same thing with GT at home. He's got the juice at the end of the day and, despite Jarren's talent, you don't know what you'll get with any of the other QBs in the crunch. I agree it's maddening to see Malik do what he does, but who would you want in the game for a final drive to win?

Then what will we do in 2019?

Jarren nor Perry have ever played a significant snap, what happens next year if we're down & have to have a comeback, do we need to sneak Malik back on the field in a different jersey # just to win a game?

Will this program ever survive without Malik?

 

[Pearson704]

I've always felt a better QB would make the Offense look better, I just question the idea that at least 2 of the QB's behind him are seemingly more talented but can't get a snap in a real game.

His equity affords him the starting spot because he lead comes back vs FSU, GTech & Va last year, but didn't seem to have much standing when it came to Pitt, Clemson, Wisconsin & LSU.

I have no problem with sticking with Rosier come **** or high water, you guys just have to stop trying to convince the rest of us that Richt is a God amongst mere mortals. You guys argue that Rosier is the best option we have right now while simultaneously arguing that our Offense will look even better next year with one of the younger QB's despite those same QB's being as equally inexperienced as they are now. Can't have it both ways.

You have to limit the number of variables while trying to develop players and win football games. Richt wants what everybody wants, IMO, but you have to keep winning games and Malik gives us the best chance to do that each week.

The Oline was the biggest variable last season but has been much better this season, and continues to be a work in progress.
The TE position was variable last season and continues to evolve this season with two rookies topping the depth chart. The FB position was non-existent last season but has begun to emerge this season. The RB position was thin last season but has come a long way and continues to evolve this season. WR is set and continues to evolve as they did last season.

That's only one solid unit on offense and you have to play the QB who has shown the ability to overcome all the variables and win, as opposed adding another variable to the equation. Brad Kaaya left earlier than he should and we missed on N'Kosi. This is where we are and all Richt can do is bide his time with Malik, continue to develop all the QBs on the roster, and recruit football players that are better than the ones we have.

As far as Richt, he's a god QB developer and OC among mere mortals. He's coached 2 Heisman winners and a 3rd runner up. FSU never had a Heisman winner before him and Jameis won after he left for a grand total of 3. That's a staggering statistic. His offenses were prolific and he won a national championship as a coordinator at FSU on a 12 - 0 campaign in 1999. His track record speaks for itself, but if that's not enough just look at the numbers an erratic Malik continues to put up under Richt. He holds the record for []__[] TDs and had 5 touchdowns last game...

Don't you see a pattern there? What other HC/OC/QB coach in NCAA can match wins, Heisman finalists/winners, offensive production & National Championships with Richt? C'mon man, don't act like the man or his resume is pedestrian.

Last question...

In 2018, who do you want at QB for our beloved Canes in the 4th with the game on the line?

 

[simplycanes]

I re-watched the LSU game for a third time last night.

Was that before or after you removed the car battery and alligator clamps from your ********s?

 

[Pearson704]

Then what will we do in 2019?

Jarren nor Perry have ever played a significant snap, what happens next year if we're down & have to have a comeback, do we need to sneak Malik back on the field in a different jersey # just to win a game?

Will this program ever survive without Malik?

You're confabulating and not being reasonable if you think a redshirt year with (depending on how close they are) 4 games to play, another spring camp, the offseason S&C program, and fall camp with starter reps won't make Jarren (a true freshman) a better QB. In fact, all 3 of the back-up QBs on the roster would be better than they are now and likely better than Malik under those circumstances. Players develop all over the country and i'm not sure why you think that can't happen at Miami.

 

[jkaz1]

No kidding.

I've never, ever rewatched any game that we've lost.

Can't think of a good reason to do it.

Was that before or after you removed the car battery and alligator clamps from your ********s?

 

[DiegoCane]

It looks how it looks. Richt calls plays and players execute. This thread is absolutely mind-blowing; as if any other coordinator could do better with Malik. I honestly think as the line play improves we'll continue to develop an identity, but for now i'd personally like to see more QB draws on 1st down.

There are a lot of OCs that would be doing better.

Its also the OC/QBs coach job to prepare their QBs.

 

[Pearson704]

There are a lot of OCs that would be doing better.

Its also the OC/QBs coach job to prepare their QBs.

nah...



OCs create mismatches that players need to execute and sometimes accentuate with their skillset. Malik is limited in such a manner that your premise is a non-starter, but thanks.

 

[Memnon]

You have to limit the number of variables while trying to develop players and win football games. Richt wants what everybody wants, IMO, but you have to keep winning games and Malik gives us the best chance to do that week in and week out.

The Oline was the biggest variable last season but has been much better this season, and continues to be a work in progress.
The TE position was variable last season and continues to evolve this season with two rookies topping the depth chart. The FB position was non-existent last season but has begun to emerge this season. The RB position was thin last season but has come a long way and continues to evolve this season. WR is set and continues to evolve as they did last season. That's only one solid unit on offense and you have to play the QB who has shown the ability to overcome all the variables and win, as opposed adding another variable to the equation. Brad Kaaya left earlier than he should and we missed on N'Kosi. This is where we are and all Richt can do is bide his time with Malik, continue to develop all the QBs on the roster, and recruit football players that are better than the ones we have.

As far as Richt, he's a god QB developer and OC among mere mortals. He's coached 2 Heisman winners and a 3rd runner up. FSU never had a Heisman winner before him and Jameis won after he left for a grand total of 3. That's a staggering statistic. His offenses were prolific and he won a national championship as a coordinator at FSU on a 12 - 0 campaign in 1999. His track record speaks for itself, but if that's not enough just look at the numbers an erratic Malik continues to put up under Richt. He holds the record for []__[] TDs and had 5 touchdowns last game...

Don't you see a pattern there? What other HC/OC/QB coach in NCAA can match wins, Heisman finalists/winners, offensive production & National Championships with Richt? C'mon man, don't act like the man or his resume is pedestrian.

Last question...

In 2018, who do you want at QB for our beloved Canes in the 4th with the game on the line?

This is just a litany of excuses.

No Offense is dependent on a FB, there are dozens & dozens of high powered Offenses all around P5 football who don't have a FB & do just just fine running the ball.

When you say Kaaya left earlier than he should & we missed on Perry that's just putting as if those things were completely out of his control. He didn't want Kaaya back & if he miss-evaluated Perry then he did the same with Weldon, which again was his responsibility. If we're stuck with Malik as the only QB who gives us a chance to win & he just has to bide his time, that's of his own making.

And as far as his accomplishments as an OC at FSU what exactly does 20 years ago have to do with right now? This ain't the 90's & we ain't FSU. Being the OC for a National championship in the BCS era is completely different than doing it as a HC in the current playoff era. I think Richt was once a good OC, but that has nothing to do with 2016/17/18 & beyond in Miami.

And what QB do I want in the 4th for a final drive? Malik Rosier because no other QB has ever played in a meaningful game here in 2 years.

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Why do all our Qb's have to be sissy bois?

Can we get a Jim Kelly or Vinny mentality back at the position? We've had a string of betas going for quite some time now.

 

[Pearson704]

Why do all our Qb's have to be sissy bois?

Can we get a Jim Kelly or Vinny mentality back at the position? We've had a string of betas going for quite some time now.

Jarren is next up and Cade is questionable.

 

[Memnon]

You're confabulating and not being reasonable if you think a redshirt year with (depending on how close they are) 4 games to play, another spring camp, the offseason S&C program, and fall camp with starter reps won't make Jarren (a true freshman) a better QB. In fact, all 3 of the back-up QBs on the roster would be better than they are now and likely better than Malik under those circumstances. Players develop all over the country and i'm not sure why you think that can't happen at Miami.

I'm not arguing they wouldn't be better, you guys are with this Malik or die philosophy.

If they're going to be so much better with more 1st team reps in Spring & Fall, what was the hold up this year?

"Players develop all over the country".... I know! Lol that's literally the point, you guys are always saying the other QB's aren't ready yet when all over college football other programs get their True & Red Freshman ready all the time. The only ones who don't think so are the guys who think Malik is the greatest QB in school history & if he doesn't play every single game we'll never win another game ever lol.

 

[Pearson704]

I'm not arguing they wouldn't be better, you guys are with this Malik or die philosophy.

If they're going to be so much better with more 1st team reps in Spring & Fall, what was the hold up this year?

"Players develop all over the country".... I know! Lol that's literally the point, you guys are always saying the other QB's aren't ready yet when all over college football other programs get their True & Red Freshman ready all the time. The only ones who don't think so are the guys who think Malik is the greatest QB in school history & if he doesn't play every single game we'll never win another game ever lol.

Who thinks that?

 

[Pearson704]

This is just a litany of excuses.

No Offense is dependent on a FB, there are dozens & dozens of high powered Offenses all around P5 football who don't have a FB & do just just fine running the ball.

When you say Kaaya left earlier than he should & we missed on Perry that's just putting as if those things were completely out of his control. He didn't want Kaaya back & if he miss-evaluated Perry then he did the same with Weldon, which again was his responsibility. If we're stuck with Malik as the only QB who gives us a chance to win & he just has to bide his time, that's of his own making.

And as far as his accomplishments as an OC at FSU what exactly does 20 years ago have to do with right now? This ain't the 90's & we ain't FSU. Being the OC for a National championship in the BCS era is completely different than doing it as a HC in the current playoff era. I think Richt was once a good OC, but that has nothing to do with 2016/17/18 & beyond in Miami.

And what QB do I want in the 4th for a final drive? Malik Rosier because no other QB has ever played in a meaningful game here in 2 years.

1. Richt's offense depends on a FB and last year was his first without one; not to mention we couldn't convert 3rd & 1 to save our lives.

2. No argument about the QB situation.

3. As far has his accomplishments, you don't magically forget how to coach. Great players and developing quality depth in a given system (the way good teams do) makes great offenses.

4. Glad you agree Malik gives us the best chance to win until proven otherwise, but i'm not sure why you bash Richt and other people for saying the exact same thing?

Seems like you're just complaining if we all agree that Richt is playing the right person at QB.

 

[Loose Cannon]

Why do all our Qb's have to be sissy bois?

Can we get a Jim Kelly or Vinny mentality back at the position? We've had a string of betas going for quite some time now.

Meanwhile Rosier is out there pancaking linebackers on a reverse, and dragging two defenders into the endzone along with his massive ball sack, and ya'll dog him just because he can't throw.