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Loose Cannon said:
Wait all you want. I’m not going to sit here and entertain your foolish premise that we never call plays over the middle when we obviously do.

Now you’re changing the subject to why Perry isn’t starting, which should be obvious as well. Rosier has 48 TDs in his 16 games as a starter. You don’t replace a guy who averages scoring 21 points per game for that large of a sample size unless you’re absolutely positive you can replace those points.
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Obviously, Perry is not the starter. However, why doesn't he throw Crossing routes on a regular basis with Malik?
 
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SmokeyBear said:
Obviously, Perry is not the starter. However, why doesn't he throw Crossing routes on a regular basis with Malik?
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I've addressed this several times before, but I'll humor you.

Malik is 6'1"
Perry is 6'5"

Malik can't see over the line. Perry can.

If you have a shorter QB you need two things in order to use the middle of the field: An O-line that can consistently open up passing lanes (ours cannot); and excellent timing and anticipation from the QB to hit open targets in those lanes. At 6'5", Perry can see over the line, so he does not have to worry about this.
 
Loose Cannon said:
I've addressed this several times before, but I'll humor you.

Malik is 6'1"
Perry is 6'5"

Malik can't see over the line. Perry can.

If you have a shorter QB you need two things in order to use the middle of the field: An O-line that can consistently open up passing lanes (ours cannot); and excellent timing and anticipation from the QB to hit open targets in those lanes. At 6'5", Perry can see over the line, so he does not have to worry about this.
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Oh, I see. Someone should tell Lincoln Riley that Kyler Murray is too short to throw Crossing routes. ****outtahere. Richt didnt call Crossing routes with 6'4 Brad Kaaya. There's no excuse for his poor play calling.
 
SmokeyBear said:
Oh, I see. Someone should tell Lincoln Riley that Kyler Murray is too short to throw Crossing routes. ****outtahere.
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You first. I never said shorter QBs couldn't throw over the middle. Drew Brees is an excellent example, but it's simple physics. 6'1" people can't throw over 6'5" linemen unless you want to see a bunch of lob passes being thrown to targets he can't see. You need your O-line to open throwing lanes, and ours can't even open running lanes. Lincoln Riley also plays in a league where defense is non-existent.
 
SmokeyBear said:
Oh, I see. Someone should tell Lincoln Riley that Kyler Murray is too short to throw Crossing routes. ****outtahere. Richt didnt call Crossing routes with 6'4 Brad Kaaya. There's no excuse for his poor play calling.
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Kaaya threw plenty of crossing routes to Njoku and Hendon, and Rosier and Perry have both completed crossing routes this season. Now you're just making shlt up to prop up your foolish premise that crossing routes is the one thing that will fix the offense when the real solution is better blocking and better running.

We've only lost to one team when we were able to consistently able to run on first down. Wisconsin.
 
Loose Cannon said:
You first. I never said shorter QBs couldn't throw over the middle. Drew Brees is an excellent example, but it's simple physics. 6'1" people can't throw over 6'5" linemen unless you want to see a bunch of lob passes being thrown to targets he can't see. You need your O-line to open throwing lanes, and ours can't even open running lanes. Lincoln Riley also plays in a league where defense is non-existent.
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3 years in and we still can't block. Man we have such a great offensive line coach.
 
Loose Cannon said:
Kaaya threw plenty of crossing routes to Njoku and Hendon, and Rosier and Perry have both completed crossing routes this season. Now you're just making shlt up to prop up your foolish premise that crossing routes is the one thing that will fix the offense when the real solution is better blocking and better running.

We've only lost to one team when we were able to consistently able to run on first down. Wisconsin.
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Kaaya threw bubble screens to those guys.
 
To answer your question OP, Richt is accountable for the Offense, always has been always will be.

He's the playcaller, play developer & the de facto QB coach because his son who isn't even 30 years old yet has very limited experience.

Our Offensive identity is big play or bust. If we don't hit on the Deep Ball we typically struggle on Offense because we're very inconsistent running the ball & against actual Defenses the intermediate passing game becomes nonexistent.

Everyone always says "we have guys running wide open, the offense is fine we just need a QB!", what you're basically saying is the Offense will be drastically better next year, but how can you assume that if the 3 QB's we got hardly ever play, in fact only 1 of them has ever taken a snap in more than 1 game. So, if I'm to believe the only thing that holds us back is a better QB & if I'm also to believe that QB is already on the team then wtf is taking so long to actually see it happen?

To me, the problem is this offense is specifically constructed for Rosier & none of the other QB's really work in it as of now because it's based around a guy that can only make certain throws against P5 competition. We really struggle run blocking against good Defenses which forces our QB to have to throw way more times than he should.

The job of an OC is to find the weaknesses of the Defense & exploit those weaknesses by creating mismatches. They put the playmakers in the best position to attack & move the ball while minimizing mistakes. We have to play around our deficiencies as an Offense, which means if we can only be good if everything is perfect then somebody is not doing their job.

If you think we can never expect to be good until we have an OL full of 4/5-star lineman who are all Juniors, then you're going to be waiting for long long time, because that's not going to happen anytime soon.

Can't keep making excuses, either Richt is this great OC that is above reproach or he's not. And if you're saying "next year with Jarren...", then ok... Keep pushing those goalposts but the clock is running out those excuses.
 
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SmokeyBear said:
3 years in and we still can't block. Man we have such a great offensive line coach.
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I don't see anyone arguing against that. What I do see is a bunch of dumb asses that don't understand that the offense begins and ends with the line. Bad offensive line + poor run blocking + poor blitz pickup = Poor offense.

All the crossing routes in the world ain't going to matter as long as we can't run the ball against good teams and our QB spends more time running away from free blitzers than scanning the field.
 
Hegemon said:
OP your answer.

No one.

Richt said this after Toledo:

“We thought about putting N’Kosi in a little bit earlier in that game. But it just kept staying too tight for my gut. If I wasn’t such an old guy that’s been through just about everything, I might have put him in sooner. You just never know when a game can turn very rapidly, especially against a team that can score points like that. So, I held off.”

The guy has never won an NC for a reason.
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Maybe Miami University graduate will eventually win one here. U never know.;)
 
Loose Cannon said:
I don't see anyone arguing against that. What I do see is a bunch of dumb asses that don't understand that the offense begins and ends with the line. Bad offensive line + poor run blocking + poor blitz pickup = Poor offense.

All the crossing routes in the world ain't going to matter as long as we can't run the ball against good teams and our QB spends more time running away from free blitzers than scanning the field.
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Oh, they will argue against it. Just like they try to ignore the fact that our quarterback is being coached by a kid with no experience.
 
Your best CEO,s surround themselves with good department heads and good department heads have good assistants. A really good head coach does the same. Do not see the good coordinators or position coaches on this staff.Just my humble opinion
 
SmokeyBear said:
Oh, they will argue against it. Just like they try to ignore the fact that our quarterback is being coached by a kid with no experience.
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Yeah...I'm gonna have to go ahead and argue against that one. Whoever is responsible for getting 48 TDs out of Rosier in 16 starts deserves a ******* medal.
 
The last time we had an offensive-minded HC was Erickson.

And that worked out pretty well.

Aggressive on offense and we put a lot of points on the board.

Some things I didn't like about Erickson, but he knew how to run an offense.

I suppose Richt should be considered an offensive-minded coach, too, but I sure haven't seen anything to this point - and we're in Year 3 now.

Hope we get championships while he's here, but I can't say the confidence level is running high at the moment.

joe239 said:
I re-watched the LSU game for a third time last night. One thing I noticed, after that 50 yard run, we were shell-shocked. Like a bully that talks all this and gets punched in the mouth and then becomes passive and confused. Where was the leadership after that point? Even the coaches looked confused on offense.

Here's my point;

OC - Brown
OC - Dugans
Play caller - M. Richt
QB Coach - J. Richt
Who's accountable for the offense? Who throws the clip board, when we get punched in the mouth and demands greatness from the players? I didn't see anyone in the LSU game.

I was watching the TV broadcast, not the UM sidelines. So, if it did happen, I didn't see it. There's rumors of Richards getting in Rosier's face and holding him accountable. Same rumors say, that's the reason Richards has not played since the that blow out. Stefan can you clarify?

Go Canes!
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Loose Cannon said:
Yeah...I'm gonna have to go ahead and argue against that one. Whoever is responsible for getting 48 TDs out of Rosier in 16 starts deserves a ******* medal.
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Malik would look like a different quarterback with a quarterback coach and a play-caller that actually knew what they were doing.
 
SmokeyBear said:
That is not the only problem. Sure Malik has his issues with accuracy at times. However, there are plenty of throws that Malik makes very well. Yeah, we often get away from those throws. In addition, there are many times when there is no one open. Simply because the route tree is ridiculous. 3rd and 5 and everybody is running a go route. Not using the middle of the field. No intermediate throws. Motion helps quarterbacks. One, it would help them determine whether a team is in zone or man coverage. You don't think that will help the quarterback.
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There are throws Rosier makes very well, but there are no throws he makes very well all the time. So call what you want, but there is no play-calling way to make him much better than he is. I think 57% for the season is about his ceiling.
 
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