Notre Dame AD: ACC did “permanent damage”

[hcanes100]

 

[mr.h]

Let this hurt ND’s reputation and recruiting

 

[CreativeCane]

Let this hurt ND’s reputation and recruiting

I just want Mario to personally go after their commitments in 2026.

 

[We'retheBoss]

ND hating the ACC makes them more like a full-fledged member than they realize

 

[SFbayCane]

This is exactly the case. The ACC ND deal, which is protected by a Grant of Rights, is:

1) ND gets to be ACC in every sport except football and hockey (there is no ACC hockey(
2) ND has to play 4-6 ACC teams a year, a combination of home and away
3) all ND away games vs ACC teams are shown via ESPN/ABC and are part of the ACC deal with that network
4) all ND home games vs ACC teams are shown on NBC, and the ACC is NOT included in any deal with NBC
5) If ND joins any conference in football other than the ACC, it must pay an exit fee to the conference, probably many tens of millions of dollars.

It was a god awful, stupid, zero benefit deal for the ACC who has continually stepped on its own junk to protect its self image as an "elite academic, basketball first conference" in a world where basketball might as well be ping pong relative to the amount of money football makes.

Interesting. Great info. Thank you for that.

I guess we'll see what becomes of the ND media presser tomorrow.

 

[caneingville]

To our resident CIS lawyers, hypothetically, IF ND would were to do something stupid and leave the ACC, would that have ANY effect at all on the ACC TV contract, making it easier for other teams to bail without the hefty financial penalty? You'd have to think ESPN's contract with us is based partially on having ND in there and they would want to renegotiate (if not an automatic clause in there).

On one hand, it's hard to accurately answer since the ACC / ESPN won't let anyone (even its member schools!) even see the freaking contract...

But...I highly doubt that ONE team is going to cause the entire contract to be renegotiated. The entire contract did not need to be renegotiated when we ADDED three teams last year, so why would that need to happen just because we lost one team that is only a partner in basketball and Olympic sports?

 

[El Orange]

First, great first post.
Second, this is why I think Miami should consider leaving the ACC. Because they have a TV draw that is leading to top 3 in the ACC. Miami is carrying the ACC in TV draws, revenue, and many other metrics. The way the ACC deal is structured, compared to other leagues, Miami is getting screwed.
It's the exact reason that FSU and Clemson was prepared to sue and leave. Miami is in that group. Miami's brand carries itself, even when we were losing, we were still getting TV shares, still selling Merch.
I hope whatever ND does, if it further pushes the ACC to either reform or fold, the only part I want to get out of is the exit fee for Miami leaving this **** conference.
And folks were thinking I was doing it due to the penalty bias, the hate, etc. Those are just the tip of the iceberg, the cherry on the cake reason to leave.

Appreciate that. There is SOME good news regarding the TV contract that was recently restructured. I worked in TV for the last 10 years so I'm into this kind of useless info.

The current ACC tv deal is divided up in two pieces. 60% of the money goes in piece A. 40% goes to piece B.

Piece B, again 40% of all the money ESPN hands the conference, is divided equally among all conference members. Wake gets the same amount from that pile as we do.

Piece A, however, the 60% chunk, is divided relative to the ratings for the season. Miami and FSU were tops in ratings, so we get the largest shares of that 60%.

Edit: sorry there is another component to this. The contract covers bball and football together. So ratings for both sports combined per school, however the football ratings are weighted 3x more valuable as bball.

Edit two: the bball football breakdown is weirdly accurate. Last year's Duke UNC bball game was the most watched in conference game with 2.6 mil views, which is a huge number. This years top football ACC full member only game was Miami FSU at 7.6 mil views. Almost exactly 3x more, thus the value weighting. Miami ND did over 10 mil, and Gators game was similar to FSU.

 

[Hoyacane1620]

This is why I'm asking today if Phillips is still employed. He has to be fired. I hope every AD in the ACC is mad at the way this was handled and will ask him to resign.

During the ACC championship trophy presentation, he just stood there like a goof, they didn't have him present the trophy or speak. At that point, why was he even on the stage?

Has he even sent a public tweet to congratulate Miami on making the CFP? How about Rad?

Very disappointing leadership over the past couple of weeks from both of them.

 

[NBCOwnsUs]

I didnt read all 9 pages of this thread but here's my question:

Does the ACC hold any cards related to ND being in the ACC for all of the other sports? I.e.; Is ND's participation in the ACC non-revenue sports contingent upon them scheduling some football games? If it isnt then its yet another galactic failure of the ACC.


My belief is that ND would be in a world of hurt trying to schedule women's sports and other non-revenue generating men's sports in the current mega-conference era. i can envision a scenario where they'd have to join the MAC or something similar to keep the Title IX animals at bay.

In theory, if ND could pay a $30Mish exit fee to leave football and keep the rest of their sports with the ACC. Realistically, I don't think there's any way that happens.

I think you're right, if ND leaves the ACC entirely, they would have a difficult time finding a partner for other sports. I think this is a bigger issue than scheduling football games, though that would be more difficult without the ACC partnership.

The BIG's TV deal would increase by $30-$40M per year if ND joins, making the total payout over $100M/year for every member - that's double what the ACC teams are getting right now. It's not a bad "worst case" scenario, I guess.

The ND vs. Miami argument was a gift to the SEC. In a down year where all of its teams looked mediocre and multiple teams played significant portions of the season with no head coach, SEC got 5 spots (almost half the field and 4/7 at-large bids!) along with 3 home games. If you went by the FPI rankings, the SEC would have 2 teams in the field. Or under SP+ SEC would have 3. They are seriously overrepresented. That is the real controversy but the media is wagging the dog with the ND/Miami stuff.

Generous to call it a gift. It wasn’t some coordinated conspiracy - it was a chain of ***** jobs that started the moment the committee stuck Miami at 18th behind multiple two-loss SEC teams, Utah and ND in the very first rankings. And it ended with them protecting Bama by bumping them over ND after an embarrassing escape against Auburn.

Once the committee realized the math - two spots for one SEC team, Miami, and ND - one of us was eating ****. Congrats boys.

 

[hcanes100]

 

[NDfan]

What is their argument? We beat them and we beat all our Mutual opponents except one by bigger margins.

I mean, not really. We dominated Pitt and Stanford more than you did. Watch the games. We played our subs the last 1.5 quarters, when you still had your ones in trying to pad the score. But it worked for you. We should have done the same. Not hating. It was probably smart of you.

 

[Rickd]

Appreciate that. There is SOME good news regarding the TV contract that was recently restructured. I worked in TV for the last 10 years so I'm into this kind of useless info.

The current ACC tv deal is divided up in two pieces. 60% of the money goes in piece A. 40% goes to piece B.

Piece B, again 40% of all the money ESPN hands the conference, is divided equally among all conference members. Wake gets the same amount from that pile as we do.

Piece A, however, the 60% chunk, is divided relative to the ratings for the season. Miami and FSU were tops in ratings, so we get the largest shares of that 60%.

Edit: sorry there is another component to this. The contract covers bball and football together. So ratings for both sports combined per school, however the football ratings are weighted 3x more valuable as bball.

Edit two: the bball football breakdown is weirdly accurate. Last year's Duke UNC bball game was the most watched in conference game with 2.6 mil views, which is a huge number. This years top football ACC full member only game was Miami FSU at 7.6 mil views. Almost exactly 3x more, thus the value weighting. Miami ND did over 10 mil, and Gators game was similar to FSU.

Don't forget that viewership number that is used as a basis for the 60% distribution ... is calculated on a 5 year rolling average, not just what happens in one season.

 

[miamicanephins]

I mean, not really. We dominated Pitt and Stanford more than you did. Watch the games. We played our subs the last 1.5 quarters, when you still had your ones in trying to pad the score. But it worked for you. We should have done the same. Not hating. It was probably smart of you.

Are you suggesting Mario got the better of Marcus?

 

[JD08]

I mean, not really. We dominated Pitt and Stanford more than you did. Watch the games. We played our subs the last 1.5 quarters, when you still had your ones in trying to pad the score. But it worked for you. We should have done the same. Not hating. It was probably smart of you.

You beat Pitt 37-15; We beat them 38-7.
You beat Stanford 49-20; We beat them 42-7.
You beat NC State 36-7; We beat them 41-7.
You beat Syracuse 70-7; We beat them 38-10.

If you don't think you were padding the score against Syracuse, you weren't listening to sports media at all, because they wouldn't shut up about it.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

I mean, not really. We dominated Pitt and Stanford more than you did. Watch the games. We played our subs the last 1.5 quarters, when you still had your ones in trying to pad the score. But it worked for you. We should have done the same. Not hating. It was probably smart of you.

Miami beat ND. That’s the only thing that matters. Common opponents is behind H2H in tie breaker scenarios. ND had no case to get in ahead of Miami. None. If you’re acting like they did, you’re admitting you don’t care about on field results.

 

[Hufftwoseven]

11/8 - 12/7 of 2025 has to be THE best 30 day period of the last 22-23 years for Miami football. The run of domination we closed the season on, signing day was strong, playoff birth, ******* over ND, etc.

Wow

What’s with the username?

 

[NDfan]

Finebaum ripped them up and down. Whether you like him or not everything said was true. Called them laughing stock for refusing bowl game. ND’s big ego has been deflated a bit.

Why would anyone care what that idiot Finebaum says? What a tool of an SEC shill.

 

[joeB954]

A conference they aren’t even in did permanent damage?? How and who gives af?

 

[MikeCane18]

I mean, not really. We dominated Pitt and Stanford more than you did. Watch the games. We played our subs the last 1.5 quarters, when you still had your ones in trying to pad the score. But it worked for you. We should have done the same. Not hating. It was probably smart of you.

We would have shut out NC State had we not put in the 3s. Wouldn't have let Cuse score a TD had the 3s not been in either.

 

[NDfan]

Let this hurt ND’s reputation and recruiting

It won't. They are 100% right. They got screwed by ESPN and SEC collusion. They have done nothing wrong. If anything recruits are going to want to hop on for what is coming. Look out for anyone in ND's path.