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Notre Dame AD: ACC did “permanent damage”

GeorgiaHurricane said:
Notre Dame is acting like they were Alabama under Saban lol.
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ND hasn't won a title since 1988, and before then, 1977, then 1973. They have won two titles since I have been alive, over 50+ years. The last one, in 1988. Let's talk about that one. 37 years ago. 37!

They played Michigan, and the famous Miami game where that was almost as bad as the OSU PI. But.....
They played West Virginia in the Fiesta bowl to win that title.

West Virginia!!!! It is considered one of the weaker titles there was.

But since then, they have had 37 years of having top 10 recruiting classes, resources beyond almost every other top 10 program. They have been put up on this pedestal by the media (and NBC deal) as they are a top ten program.

Notre Dame has never been a top ten program in my life. They do not constantly put themselves into the championship realm, they are not Alabama, they are not even close to the top 5 SEC schools. They have earned NOTHING in my lifetime to be considered a Top Tier Program. They are gifted almost everything and earned NOTHING.

So quite frankly, **** ND and their our farts don't stink attitude.
 
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Warrior808 said:
USC already took the ND game off their listed 2027 schedule. Once they switched to the BIG it was overkill... They had a more challenging schedule, MUCH more travel and 9 conference games.

I believe they are still talking but USC wanted the games switched to early season. ND would not acomodate that request so USC bounced. Notre Dame should be able to get good early season matchups, the problem is the mid to late season when everyone is right smack dab in conference play. Without the ACC gifting them these games they are screwed. No good SEC or BIG teams will schedule a game with them after conference play starts.
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this. ☝️
 
El Orange said:
First post, signed up specifically so I could comment on this.

Not only is this dead on, but if you look at the numbers that Notre Dame's ACC games did outside of the top ten Miami ND game which was hugely watched (10 mil), they were nothing burgers. These were all ABC or ESPN games, with one NBC game included.

1.5 mil for unranked Stanford
1.8 for an NBC televised vs unranked Syracuse (this is one of the lowest watched network games across FBS)
4 mil for their ranked vs ranked game vs Pitt
1.7 for their rivalry matchup with unranked BC

ND total season average came to a little over 3.2 mil per game. Miami was 3.1 per game.

The point here is it is a myth that there is ANY benefit to having ND play as a part time member, especially without the network NBC exposure. They do NOT bring any added ratings to your average ACC slate, and just like any other team are heavily reliant on ranked vs ranked or rivalry games to generate ratings. The ACC can't go to a network and say "hey pay us more we have ND for three games!" while pointing to a 1.7mil vs BC game.

Sorry for the long post, needed to get this out.

Edit for context: Miami FSU got 7 mil, Miami UF 6.5 mil, ND TAMU 6.5 mil.
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hcanes100 said:
I hope that if ND is actually planning on exit of the association or canceling some games, then that facilitates the end of the ACC without an exit fee for UM. I would be gloriously happy they do it. More power to them. Let them foot the bill for our legal fees if we actually did leave. I hope they do it and win.
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The issue is who is left for them to play? USC is not crazy about renewing the rivalry, and its tough to play other B1G and SEC teams who will be at 9 conference games each, and wanting to play at least 7 home games, so if they say "eff the ACC", who exactly are they going to play?

So to me, this is yet another a negotiating ploy on ND's part to extract more concessions from the ACC. It normally wouldn't work, but with Quisling, oh sorry I meant Phillips in charge, who knows?
 
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SFbayCane said:
I didnt read all 9 pages of this thread but here's my question:

Does the ACC hold any cards related to ND being in the ACC for all of the other sports? I.e.; Is ND's participation in the ACC non-revenue sports contingent upon them scheduling some football games? If it isnt then its yet another galactic failure of the ACC.


My belief is that ND would be in a world of hurt trying to schedule women's sports and other non-revenue generating men's sports in the current mega-conference era. i can envision a scenario where they'd have to join the MAC or something similar to keep the Title IX animals at bay.
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This is exactly the case. The ACC ND deal, which is protected by a Grant of Rights, is:

1) ND gets to be ACC in every sport except football and hockey (there is no ACC hockey(
2) ND has to play 4-6 ACC teams a year, a combination of home and away
3) all ND away games vs ACC teams are shown via ESPN/ABC and are part of the ACC deal with that network
4) all ND home games vs ACC teams are shown on NBC, and the ACC is NOT included in any deal with NBC
5) If ND joins any conference in football other than the ACC, it must pay an exit fee to the conference, probably many tens of millions of dollars.

It was a god awful, stupid, zero benefit deal for the ACC who has continually stepped on its own junk to protect its self image as an "elite academic, basketball first conference" in a world where basketball might as well be ping pong relative to the amount of money football makes.
 
hcanes100 said:
ND hasn't won a title since 1988, and before then, 1977, then 1973. They have won two titles since I have been alive, over 50+ years. The last one, in 1988. Let's talk about that one. 37 years ago. 37!

They played Michigan, and the famous Miami game where that was almost as bad as the OSU PI. But.....
They played West Virginia in the Fiesta bowl to win that title.

West Virginia!!!! It is considered one of the weaker titles there was.

But since then, they have had 37 years of having top 10 recruiting classes, resources beyond almost every other top 10 program. They have been put up on this pedestal by the media (and NBC deal) as they are a top ten program.

Notre Dame has never been a top ten program in my life. They do not constantly put themselves into the championship realm, they are not Alabama, they are not even close to the top 5 SEC schools. They have earned NOTHING in my lifetime to be considered a Top Tier Program. They are gifted almost everything and earned NOTHING.

So quite frankly, **** ND and their our farts don't stink attitude.
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They're the Zsa Zsa Gabor of CFB. Famous for being famous.
 
El Orange said:
This is exactly the case. The ACC ND deal, which is protected by a Grant of Rights, is:

1) ND gets to be ACC in every sport except football and hockey (there is no ACC hockey(
2) ND has to play 4-6 ACC teams a year, a combination of home and away
3) all ND away games vs ACC teams are shown via ESPN/ABC and are part of the ACC deal with that network
4) all ND home games vs ACC teams are shown on NBC, and the ACC is NOT included in any deal with NBC
5) If ND joins any conference in football other than the ACC, it must pay an exit fee to the conference, probably many tens of millions of dollars.

It was a god awful, stupid, zero benefit deal for the ACC who has continually stepped on its own junk to protect its self image as an "elite academic, basketball first conference" in a world where basketball might as well be ping pong relative to the amount of money football makes.
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on top of that gave ND a home to play football during COVID when it was just mostly a conference schedule.
 
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El Orange said:
First post, signed up specifically so I could comment on this.

Not only is this dead on, but if you look at the numbers that Notre Dame's ACC games did outside of the top ten Miami ND game which was hugely watched (10 mil), they were nothing burgers. These were all ABC or ESPN games, with one NBC game included.

1.5 mil for unranked Stanford
1.8 for an NBC televised vs unranked Syracuse (this is one of the lowest watched network games across FBS)
4 mil for their ranked vs ranked game vs Pitt
1.7 for their rivalry matchup with unranked BC

ND total season average came to a little over 3.2 mil per game. Miami was 3.1 per game.

The point here is it is a myth that there is ANY benefit to having ND play as a part time member, especially without the network NBC exposure. They do NOT bring any added ratings to your average ACC slate, and just like any other team are heavily reliant on ranked vs ranked or rivalry games to generate ratings. The ACC can't go to a network and say "hey pay us more we have ND for three games!" while pointing to a 1.7mil vs BC game.

Sorry for the long post, needed to get this out.

Edit for context: Miami FSU got 7 mil, Miami UF 6.5 mil, ND TAMU 6.5 mil.
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If those numbers are true, I am going to be super interested to see what happens with that ND contract when it is up for renewal. With so many other alternatives now, it would be hilarious to watch that contract plummet because NBC no longer sees the value and then suddenly the ACC has the leverage. Not sure it would happen, but would be awesome to watch.
 
El Orange said:
First post, signed up specifically so I could comment on this.

Not only is this dead on, but if you look at the numbers that Notre Dame's ACC games did outside of the top ten Miami ND game which was hugely watched (10 mil), they were nothing burgers. These were all ABC or ESPN games, with one NBC game included.

1.5 mil for unranked Stanford
1.8 for an NBC televised vs unranked Syracuse (this is one of the lowest watched network games across FBS)
4 mil for their ranked vs ranked game vs Pitt
1.7 for their rivalry matchup with unranked BC

ND total season average came to a little over 3.2 mil per game. Miami was 3.1 per game.

The point here is it is a myth that there is ANY benefit to having ND play as a part time member, especially without the network NBC exposure. They do NOT bring any added ratings to your average ACC slate, and just like any other team are heavily reliant on ranked vs ranked or rivalry games to generate ratings. The ACC can't go to a network and say "hey pay us more we have ND for three games!" while pointing to a 1.7mil vs BC game.

Sorry for the long post, needed to get this out.

Edit for context: Miami FSU got 7 mil, Miami UF 6.5 mil, ND TAMU 6.5 mil.
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First, great first post.
Second, this is why I think Miami should consider leaving the ACC. Because they have a TV draw that is leading to top 3 in the ACC. Miami is carrying the ACC in TV draws, revenue, and many other metrics. The way the ACC deal is structured, compared to other leagues, Miami is getting screwed.
It's the exact reason that FSU and Clemson was prepared to sue and leave. Miami is in that group. Miami's brand carries itself, even when we were losing, we were still getting TV shares, still selling Merch.
I hope whatever ND does, if it further pushes the ACC to either reform or fold, the only part I want to get out of is the exit fee for Miami leaving this **** conference.
And folks were thinking I was doing it due to the penalty bias, the hate, etc. Those are just the tip of the iceberg, the cherry on the cake reason to leave.
 
Memnon said:
I was against a cancelation at first...

But now, 1,000%, we shouldn't give them the satisfaction of having us come to South Bend to play them.

They can go fuxk themselves altogether.
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This.

Throwing a tantrum and canceling the game just screamed scorned and cry baby ****

But now that the tables have turned I’d tell Notre Dame to go ahead and try and find someone else to latch on to just to prove a point

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Warrior808 said:
Notre Dame should be able to get good early season matchups, the problem is the mid to late season when everyone is right smack dab in conference play.
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Not sure that holds true when the inevitable "SEC-BIG Football Challenge" cash cow becomes a thing.

Nine conference games, plus a 10th against a team from the other Power 2 conference.

Those 11th and 12th games will by and large come at home against G5 and FCS opponents.

Pretty sure ND's administrators are aware of these scheduling complications going forward.

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hcanes100 said:
I have said many times here, that Miami should look to becoming independent and exploring a stand alone media deal similar or even with NBC like ND. Someone said would anyone want to be like ND and jealous of the situation they have? Absolutely. To what I believe is your point here, could they both "align" as independents, and pull in a few others and form their own "independent" league. That would be very interesting, and could collectively position them for when it comes down to the Mega 2 left.
That's what I have been thinking for a while in my previous leave the ACC postings.
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Miami does very well ratings wise, when we are a top 10 team and we are playing rivals or other top teams. The problem with going independent in the age of giant conferences is you can't schedule enough of those big games to make it valuable for a TV deal, and if you somehow do and lose a bunch of games, you no longer are ranked and thus nobody watches. It just doesn't work, and eventually that reality will smack ND in the face as well.
 
This is actually glorious. Clearly the AD and university have no clue just how much damage they are doing to themselves with this. While his rant yesterday about the CFP committee being a farce was on point, to continue with this after opting out of a bowl is taking the tears to a whole other level. ACC should seek damages and get the **** out of the “partnership” in any way possible, and as quickly as possible.
 
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"'If you want to make everybody happy, don't coach and get involved in football. Go sell ice cream because the ice cream man makes everybody happy,'" Cristobal said, recalling the Saban line. "In football, not everybody's going to be happy."
 
To our resident CIS lawyers, hypothetically, IF ND would were to do something stupid and leave the ACC, would that have ANY effect at all on the ACC TV contract, making it easier for other teams to bail without the hefty financial penalty? You'd have to think ESPN's contract with us is based partially on having ND in there and they would want to renegotiate (if not an automatic clause in there).
 
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