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Norvell with some interesting team rules

LuCane said:
This was actually a topic of the podcast last night, though related to us.

I don't know what "leadership" expert is making the rounds in the coaching clinic circuit, but these coaches have completely confused "learned behaviors" (for a reward) with development of habits (intrinsic). It's ******* nuts to me these people get paid millions of dollars a year and don't hire someone who follows actual leadership and skill development science to give them a few pointers. Instead, I can only guess they all pack in a room and listen to some seminar. Because we repeatedly see them attempt (1) to make guys *appear* not *be* more accountable or (2) *appear* not *be* more supportive of their teammates (spontaneous cheering metric).

I don't know if this Norvell dude will be successful or a flop, but a successful culture (the sum of habits) change will NOT come from doing these glorified PE coach initiatives.
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I forgot what coach told me himself majority of these guys are overpaid PE teachers. When you look at it from that lens it starts to make everything make more sense. Salute those guys for being highest paid PE teachers in america.. Also helps you see why a guy like Belichek is able to run circle around most for decades..
 
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D RevLee said:
Players on that roster aren't going to play hard for him. They'll be lucky to make a bowl. Norvell is a 3 years and out coach

Edit: all this is is Norvell trying to appease the good ole boys club up in Tally.
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So that will make two coaches they flopped for. That’s a reflection on the quality of kids on that roster.
 
supersaiyanshel said:
I get the headphones one, but the earrings one is weird.
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Right. I have no idea what the connection is between "accountability" and "not wearing earrings".

When I first enrolled at UM, I specifically remember overhearing a couple of old alums complaining about this one player who wore enormous diamond earrings, and what a thug he was. I think the guy's name was Michael Irving or something like that. It was a long time ago.
 
Soooo are cowboy hats restricted too or is this just a 'hip-hop' thing?

I understand what he's trying to do but REAL discipline can be taught without the extra BS. I mean, the pic of Norvell with cornrows is just about everywhere. THAT GUY is telling 20 year olds to straighten up!? Truthfully, I love the start he's out to already!
 
skyman said:
I forgot what coach told me himself majority of these guys are overpaid PE teachers. When you look at it from that lens it starts to make everything make more sense. Salute those guys for being highest paid PE teachers in america.. Also helps you see why a guy like Belichek is able to run circle around most for decades..
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I've been joking about that for years because I started to look at backgrounds and found a disproportionate number of legendary coaches had some unusual aspect to their "come up" story and almost all would be considered high capacity people who'd do well in many other professions. Then you get other guys who, if not for the football hierarchy and carousel, might be PE coaches. Nothing wrong with a PE coach. Just saying they're not usually well-equipped to be paid 5M/year and run a 60M-100M+/year business.
 
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LuCane said:
I've been joking about that for years because I started to look at backgrounds and found a disproportionate number of legendary coaches had some unusual aspect to their "come up" story and almost all would be considered high capacity people who'd do well in many other professions. Then you get other guys who, if not for the football hierarchy and carousel, might be PE coaches. Nothing wrong with a PE coach. Just saying they're not usually well-equipped to be paid 5M/year and run a 60M-100M+/year business.
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I dont know if its the status or celebrity culture that comes with being on tv, but people build these guys up as mythical figures and its like no I have seen coaches hold grudges on players for stupid reasons, it happens, they are human.. The smallest slight can have a guy sit bench.. Forgot what podcast I listened to with Baker and he talked about his, patke and Banda background.. something like sales rep and bartender.. Dabo would be selling real estate somewhere.. I dont blame them with the way salaries are skyrocketing, no wonder dabo is against players getting anything
 
skyman said:
I dont know if its the status or celebrity culture that comes with being on tv, but people build these guys up as mythical figures and its like no I have seen coaches hold grudges on players for stupid reasons, it happens, they are human.. The smallest slight can have a guy sit bench.. Forgot what podcast I listened to with Baker and he talked about his, patke and Banda background.. something like sales rep and bartender.. Dabo would be selling real estate somewhere.. I dont blame them with the way salaries are skyrocketing, no wonder dabo is against players getting anything
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From everything I was told about what he did while here, I think Golden would make a classic HR director.
 
RightSaidFred said:
I'm not a mind reader. I don't know if he wants to be a head coach or not. It's possible he took the interim job because he was asked to, because he was the best qualified, and because he felt a duty to the kids he had recruited and coached to be the bridge until a new coach could be put in place.

Shannon wasn't perfect. His biggest failing was that he tied his career to Jacory Harris. But his disciplinary style was one of his strengths in my opinion.

If the portal existed in Shannon's day, and if he could have convinced a better transfer to come in than Jacory Harris, imagine what that team could have done.
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Jacory was more than good enough to Win an ACC Championship....but when your *** has 3 different OCs...and 3 different playbooks in 4yrs...Odds are not in your favor...not to mention a HC (Shannon) who Destroyed relationships with High Schools not named Northwestern or Booker T.....Lol at he learnt from Butch.....What tf did he learn??...certainly not anything recruiting related..thats for sure....Oh....You mean the discipline Shannon set with a No Hats Rule....Thats the Diamond y'all pulled out of a pile of ****...to say he learnt that from Butch??.....The only thing his Onion *** Head learnt from coaching under Butch for yrs, was a No Hats Rule???.....ROTFLOL
 
LuCane said:
This was actually a topic of the podcast last night, though related to us.

I don't know what "leadership" expert is making the rounds in the coaching clinic circuit, but these coaches have completely confused "learned behaviors" (for a reward) with development of habits (intrinsic). It's ******* nuts to me these people get paid millions of dollars a year and don't hire someone who follows actual leadership and skill development science to give them a few pointers. Instead, I can only guess they all pack in a room and listen to some seminar. Because we repeatedly see them attempt (1) to make guys *appear* not *be* more accountable or (2) *appear* not *be* more supportive of their teammates (spontaneous cheering metric).

I don't know if this Norvell dude will be successful or a flop, but a successful culture (the sum of habits) change will NOT come from doing these glorified PE coach initiatives.
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As someone with a little bit of training in leadership and skill development, I say take what the "experts" tell you with a grain of salt.

We live in a politically correct world where everyone is special and exists in a bubble. You can't exactly hold leadership symposiums at Yale and Harvard where you're teaching people the art of slave driving and psychological manipulation. All you're going to hear from "experts" is how flat structures are great, how employees should be empowered, given room to shine, and how rewards should match behaviors.... that sort of thing.

What you won't learn from those people is that pain is a better motivator than any reward, fear is a better motivator than hope, and hatred and greed are more powerful than love or charity.

Leadership is like Star Wars, and these ivy league experts are Yoda. But there is a dark side which is very powerful, and the art usually goes untaught.
 
caneinorlando said:
Jacory was more than good enough to Win an ACC Championship....but when your *** has 3 different OCs...and 3 different playbooks in 4yrs...Odds are not in your favor...not to mention a HC (Shannon) who Destroyed relationships with High Schools not named Northwestern or Booker T.....Lol at he learnt from Butch.....What tf did he learn??...certainly not anything recruiting related..thats for sure....Oh....You mean the discipline Shannon set with a No Hats Rule....Thats the Diamond y'all pulled out of a pile of ****...to say he learnt that from Butch??.....The only thing his Onion *** Head learnt from coaching under Butch for yrs, was a No Hats Rule???.....ROTFLOL
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Jacory was ****. That's why he earned the nickname Ja-picky. He didn't have the physical or mental skills to be a quarterback at this level.

Stephen Morris, on the other hand, was a stud. Ironically, Shannon recruited him before he got fired.
 
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Yea whatever. If it was here you all would be jerking off about how "now we have a real disciplinarian."
 
RightSaidFred said:
Jacory was ****. That's why he earned the nickname Ja-picky. He didn't have the physical or mental skills to be a quarterback at this level.

Stephen Morris, on the other hand, was a stud. Ironically, Shannon recruited him before he got fired.
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Morris a Stud??...Lol....Jacorys 09 team whips any Morris team...
 
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