No John Lilly

[Miami82]

Shut the program. Richt got turned down by two position coaches! What is UM coming to!

When the guy chooses USCe over Miami... Something ain't right. Simple as that

nah, this was covered earlier in the thread.

 

[Torocane]

So all that supposedly has happened is that Richt has some answers regarding coaches he wanted from his GA staff.
Well now we will see if all the emails and voice mails Richt said he received from coaches inteested in being on the staff are real.
I don't get the impression Richt is the type of person to make it up.

 

[Awsi Dooger]

How many co-OC offers can one give?

This is a hard job whether people think so or not, hardest job in the country imo. I used to think it was the easiest but u recruiting against the best down here and the stadium is buns sauce. Alot of pressure to win

Great post. I completely agree. It's not going to be difficult to frequently win a game or two more than we did this season. Beyond that and the math changes completely. The fan base is comfortably ignorant of that reality, and nothing will change in that regard. That's why I think the banners will occur fairly regularly, although a guy like Richt will receive more leeway as an alum and class act. There will be rants on sites like this but the banners will stay tucked away.

We won so huge in a short period of time with so many different coaches. I understood how amazing and unlikely it was because I was in Las Vegas throughout, dealing with money lines and other evaluations of probability. The typical Canes fan who grew up in that era has no clue. Consequently we're supposed to "kill" everybody, now and for the foreseeable, even with the trump-card Orange Bowl long gone. That type screams in internet terms and uses threatening taunting terms. On this site they've found a place where it is welcome and allowed to thrive. Obviously they impress some people, the fellow loud Bar Stoolers, based on the up votes their posts receive. They aren't fooling me or anyone with a real world grasp. The Canes never won huge in this conference. It's full of pesky mid level programs. For example, Georgia Tech may be mocked around here. Meanwhile, Clemson was -7 hosting Georgia Tech this season and Florida State was -6.5 on the road against Georgia Tech. So basically those are 2/5 games, meaning you should win 5 times out of 7. Hardly an avalanche or a "kill" scenario. But Canes fans will never accept that. They refuse to acknowledge that North Carolina State has comparable talent, etc. It doesn't have to be identical. Comparable. That's plenty. Line up enough comparable foes and you are hardly favored to run the table. As I've mentioned several times, with a few different specifics, if a college team is exactly a 10 point favorite in every game the season win over/under among 12 games will be 9.5, not 12. Those games are like 1/5 favoritism in man-to-man terms, not infinity. Plus now you've got the conference title game once we get that far and win the Coastal. Right now and logically forward that game is underdog status against either Florida State or Clemson, although it can certainly switch modestly in our favor.

Our power rating would literally have to bump 25 or more points from where it is now -- and stay there -- to allow the comfort level and arrogance that is so prevalent among the fan base.

Regardless, I'm just glad my timetable played out the way it has, with a moderate Canes team with a handful of excellent players in my youth, but otherwise no expectations of greatness either in the short or long term. Once that uptick amazingly occurred and extended, I was sharp enough to appreciate it not only for the rarity but the fragility. I savored every season and taped as many games as I could. I still have those tapes. Many were available on YouTube until unfortunately the International Olympic Committee and NFL attacked my channel based on copyright complaints and forced YouTube to shut it down a year or so ago. I might reinstate it somehow but right now I lack the energy.

I don't expect another national championship in my lifetime. IMO, programs like Alabama and USC and Notre Dame have birthright foundational logic to lull and then fully restore to dominance, but Miami is not in that category. Obviously I hope I'm wrong. In the meantime I'll follow the frantic stories of the moment and offer occasional observations. Right now I have no idea how so many guys are absolute authority on so many obscure assistant coaches dotting the landscape. Other than the need to be loud, of course. That variable is always at peak.

 

[AUcane]

Rescue Jim Leavitt from Colorado and make him DC. Hire Curtis Johnson as WR coach. Bring back Solly for RB coach, even if he does not want to go out and recruit. Get the Mizzu guy at DL coach.

What up AZ? Isn't Sollie like 90 now?

Lulz at the prospect of hiring a curmudgeon like sollie.

 

[Canesfan1899]

Rescue Jim Leavitt from Colorado and make him DC. Hire Curtis Johnson as WR coach. Bring back Solly for RB coach, even if he does not want to go out and recruit. Get the Mizzu guy at DL coach.

I've wanted Leavitt as DC since last year. He would be a ******* beast here.

 

[mianjomar]

How many co-OC offers can one give?

This is a hard job whether people think so or not, hardest job in the country imo. I used to think it was the easiest but u recruiting against the best down here and the stadium is buns sauce. Alot of pressure to win

Great post. I completely agree. It's not going to be difficult to frequently win a game or two more than we did this season. Beyond that and the math changes completely. The fan base is comfortably ignorant of that reality, and nothing will change in that regard. That's why I think the banners will occur fairly regularly, although a guy like Richt will receive more leeway as an alum and class act. There will be rants on sites like this but the banners will stay tucked away.

We won so huge in a short period of time with so many different coaches. I understood how amazing and unlikely it was because I was in Las Vegas throughout, dealing with money lines and other evaluations of probability. The typical Canes fan who grew up in that era has no clue. Consequently we're supposed to "kill" everybody, now and for the foreseeable, even with the trump-card Orange Bowl long gone. That type screams in internet terms and uses threatening taunting terms. On this site they've found a place where it is welcome and allowed to thrive. Obviously they impress some people, the fellow loud Bar Stoolers, based on the up votes their posts receive. They aren't fooling me or anyone with a real world grasp. The Canes never won huge in this conference. It's full of pesky mid level programs. For example, Georgia Tech may be mocked around here. Meanwhile, Clemson was -7 hosting Georgia Tech this season and Florida State was -6.5 on the road against Georgia Tech. So basically those are 2/5 games, meaning you should win 5 times out of 7. Hardly an avalanche or a "kill" scenario. But Canes fans will never accept that. They refuse to acknowledge that North Carolina State has comparable talent, etc. It doesn't have to be identical. Comparable. That's plenty. Line up enough comparable foes and you are hardly favored to run the table. As I've mentioned several times, with a few different specifics, if a college team is exactly a 10 point favorite in every game the season win over/under among 12 games will be 9.5, not 12. Those games are like 1/5 favoritism in man-to-man terms, not infinity. Plus now you've got the conference title game once we get that far and win the Coastal. Right now and logically forward that game is underdog status against either Florida State or Clemson, although it can certainly switch modestly in our favor.

Our power rating would literally have to bump 25 or more points from where it is now -- and stay there -- to allow the comfort level and arrogance that is so prevalent among the fan base.

Regardless, I'm just glad my timetable played out the way it has, with a moderate Canes team with a handful of excellent players in my youth, but otherwise no expectations of greatness either in the short or long term. Once that uptick amazingly occurred and extended, I was sharp enough to appreciate it not only for the rarity but the fragility. I savored every season and taped as many games as I could. I still have those tapes. Many were available on YouTube until unfortunately the International Olympic Committee and NFL attacked my channel based on copyright complaints and forced YouTube to shut it down a year or so ago. I might reinstate it somehow but right now I lack the energy.

I don't expect another national championship in my lifetime. IMO, programs like Alabama and USC and Notre Dame have birthright foundational logic to lull and then fully restore to dominance, but Miami is not in that category. Obviously I hope I'm wrong. In the meantime I'll follow the frantic stories of the moment and offer occasional observations. Right now I have no idea how so many guys are absolute authority on so many obscure assistant coaches dotting the landscape. Other than the need to be loud, of course. That variable is always at peak.

Excellent comments but I disagree on one point. I agree that this board allows complete clueless idiots to reign unhindered way to long. I personally Think the prime offenders were not fans of the glory days. They weren't on this earth then. I see them as much younger possibly high school or first year college students at best.

 

[paksat]

I know Lilly. He'd coach Pahokee before he'd live in Miami.

gawd **** man, is a bon fire in the back of redneck land that ***** important to some people?

 

[CaneCounty]

How many co-OC offers can one give?

This is a hard job whether people think so or not, hardest job in the country imo. I used to think it was the easiest but u recruiting against the best down here and the stadium is buns sauce. Alot of pressure to win

Great post. I completely agree. It's not going to be difficult to frequently win a game or two more than we did this season. Beyond that and the math changes completely. The fan base is comfortably ignorant of that reality, and nothing will change in that regard. That's why I think the banners will occur fairly regularly, although a guy like Richt will receive more leeway as an alum and class act. There will be rants on sites like this but the banners will stay tucked away.

We won so huge in a short period of time with so many different coaches. I understood how amazing and unlikely it was because I was in Las Vegas throughout, dealing with money lines and other evaluations of probability. The typical Canes fan who grew up in that era has no clue. Consequently we're supposed to "kill" everybody, now and for the foreseeable, even with the trump-card Orange Bowl long gone. That type screams in internet terms and uses threatening taunting terms. On this site they've found a place where it is welcome and allowed to thrive. Obviously they impress some people, the fellow loud Bar Stoolers, based on the up votes their posts receive. They aren't fooling me or anyone with a real world grasp. The Canes never won huge in this conference. It's full of pesky mid level programs. For example, Georgia Tech may be mocked around here. Meanwhile, Clemson was -7 hosting Georgia Tech this season and Florida State was -6.5 on the road against Georgia Tech. So basically those are 2/5 games, meaning you should win 5 times out of 7. Hardly an avalanche or a "kill" scenario. But Canes fans will never accept that. They refuse to acknowledge that North Carolina State has comparable talent, etc. It doesn't have to be identical. Comparable. That's plenty. Line up enough comparable foes and you are hardly favored to run the table. As I've mentioned several times, with a few different specifics, if a college team is exactly a 10 point favorite in every game the season win over/under among 12 games will be 9.5, not 12. Those games are like 1/5 favoritism in man-to-man terms, not infinity. Plus now you've got the conference title game once we get that far and win the Coastal. Right now and logically forward that game is underdog status against either Florida State or Clemson, although it can certainly switch modestly in our favor.

Our power rating would literally have to bump 25 or more points from where it is now -- and stay there -- to allow the comfort level and arrogance that is so prevalent among the fan base.

Regardless, I'm just glad my timetable played out the way it has, with a moderate Canes team with a handful of excellent players in my youth, but otherwise no expectations of greatness either in the short or long term. Once that uptick amazingly occurred and extended, I was sharp enough to appreciate it not only for the rarity but the fragility. I savored every season and taped as many games as I could. I still have those tapes. Many were available on YouTube until unfortunately the International Olympic Committee and NFL attacked my channel based on copyright complaints and forced YouTube to shut it down a year or so ago. I might reinstate it somehow but right now I lack the energy.

I don't expect another national championship in my lifetime. IMO, programs like Alabama and USC and Notre Dame have birthright foundational logic to lull and then fully restore to dominance, but Miami is not in that category. Obviously I hope I'm wrong. In the meantime I'll follow the frantic stories of the moment and offer occasional observations. Right now I have no idea how so many guys are absolute authority on so many obscure assistant coaches dotting the landscape. Other than the need to be loud, of course. That variable is always at peak.

Excellent comments but I disagree on one point. I agree that this board allows complete clueless idiots to reign unhindered way to long. I personally Think the prime offenders were not fans of the glory days. They weren't on this earth then. I see them as much younger possibly high school or first year college students at best.

There are alot of 'me' porsters on here that 'deserve victory'.

 

[TRock305]

Butch lovers should find another team

Like Butch, no other team will take them.

 

[Paranos]

I know Lilly. He'd coach Pahokee before he'd live in Miami.

gawd **** man, is a bon fire in the back of redneck land that ***** important to some people?

Does John Lilly have this on repeat during his drive into work!
[video=youtube;QD9G9tG7WXQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD9G9tG7WXQ[/video]

 

[prinmemo]

I know Lilly. He'd coach Pahokee before he'd live in Miami.

gawd **** man, is a bon fire in the back of redneck land that ***** important to some people?

Does John Lilly have this on repeat during his drive into work!
[video=youtube;QD9G9tG7WXQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD9G9tG7WXQ[/video]

Is this a real song?

For real... Rednecks and hicks don't fit in S FL. this is not a big loss.

 

[Fightinibis]

Time to start fresh....

this could be a good thing. Time to break on some savages on the recruiting and coaching front.

Exactly.

All about Richt getting back into his comfort zone calling plays.

Also all about Richt stepping out of his Athens comfort zone and really putting more thought into crafting a staff that fits UM.

UM

 

[Astcloud11]

I know Lilly. He'd coach Pahokee before he'd live in Miami.

gawd **** man, is a bon fire in the back of redneck land that ***** important to some people?

Does John Lilly have this on repeat during his drive into work!
[video=youtube;QD9G9tG7WXQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD9G9tG7WXQ[/video]

Is this a real song?

For real... Rednecks and hicks don't fit in S FL. this is not a big loss.

We going to need 1 country boy on the staff to relate to the country raised, country strong recruits in Georgia/Carolina's/Louisiana.
Diversity in the staff is never a bad thing

 

[brock]

Besides not getting McClendon who IMO is a beast, this may be a good thing for us.

 

[Salt]

I know Lilly. He'd coach Pahokee before he'd live in Miami.

gawd **** man, is a bon fire in the back of redneck land that ***** important to some people?

Does John Lilly have this on repeat during his drive into work!
[video=youtube;QD9G9tG7WXQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD9G9tG7WXQ[/video]

Is this a real song?

For real... Rednecks and hicks don't fit in S FL. this is not a big loss.

We going to need 1 country boy on the staff to relate to the country raised, country strong recruits in Georgia/Carolina's/Louisiana.
Diversity in the staff is never a bad thing

Don't forget the guahiros around little Havana. Every culture has a little country in them.

 

[Miami82]

How many co-OC offers can one give?

This is a hard job whether people think so or not, hardest job in the country imo. I used to think it was the easiest but u recruiting against the best down here and the stadium is buns sauce. Alot of pressure to win

Bah humbug. The right staff and support from the Admin which it seems we have now and this will be an easy 10+ winning program. **** Randy and Al were able to win 9 games here and they were idiots.

 

[kmwcane]

How many co-OC offers can one give?

This is a hard job whether people think so or not, hardest job in the country imo. I used to think it was the easiest but u recruiting against the best down here and the stadium is buns sauce. Alot of pressure to win

Great post. I completely agree. It's not going to be difficult to frequently win a game or two more than we did this season. Beyond that and the math changes completely. The fan base is comfortably ignorant of that reality, and nothing will change in that regard. That's why I think the banners will occur fairly regularly, although a guy like Richt will receive more leeway as an alum and class act. There will be rants on sites like this but the banners will stay tucked away.

We won so huge in a short period of time with so many different coaches. I understood how amazing and unlikely it was because I was in Las Vegas throughout, dealing with money lines and other evaluations of probability. The typical Canes fan who grew up in that era has no clue. Consequently we're supposed to "kill" everybody, now and for the foreseeable, even with the trump-card Orange Bowl long gone. That type screams in internet terms and uses threatening taunting terms. On this site they've found a place where it is welcome and allowed to thrive. Obviously they impress some people, the fellow loud Bar Stoolers, based on the up votes their posts receive. They aren't fooling me or anyone with a real world grasp. The Canes never won huge in this conference. It's full of pesky mid level programs. For example, Georgia Tech may be mocked around here. Meanwhile, Clemson was -7 hosting Georgia Tech this season and Florida State was -6.5 on the road against Georgia Tech. So basically those are 2/5 games, meaning you should win 5 times out of 7. Hardly an avalanche or a "kill" scenario. But Canes fans will never accept that. They refuse to acknowledge that North Carolina State has comparable talent, etc. It doesn't have to be identical. Comparable. That's plenty. Line up enough comparable foes and you are hardly favored to run the table. As I've mentioned several times, with a few different specifics, if a college team is exactly a 10 point favorite in every game the season win over/under among 12 games will be 9.5, not 12. Those games are like 1/5 favoritism in man-to-man terms, not infinity. Plus now you've got the conference title game once we get that far and win the Coastal. Right now and logically forward that game is underdog status against either Florida State or Clemson, although it can certainly switch modestly in our favor.

Our power rating would literally have to bump 25 or more points from where it is now -- and stay there -- to allow the comfort level and arrogance that is so prevalent among the fan base.

Regardless, I'm just glad my timetable played out the way it has, with a moderate Canes team with a handful of excellent players in my youth, but otherwise no expectations of greatness either in the short or long term. Once that uptick amazingly occurred and extended, I was sharp enough to appreciate it not only for the rarity but the fragility. I savored every season and taped as many games as I could. I still have those tapes. Many were available on YouTube until unfortunately the International Olympic Committee and NFL attacked my channel based on copyright complaints and forced YouTube to shut it down a year or so ago. I might reinstate it somehow but right now I lack the energy.

I don't expect another national championship in my lifetime. IMO, programs like Alabama and USC and Notre Dame have birthright foundational logic to lull and then fully restore to dominance, but Miami is not in that category. Obviously I hope I'm wrong. In the meantime I'll follow the frantic stories of the moment and offer occasional observations. Right now I have no idea how so many guys are absolute authority on so many obscure assistant coaches dotting the landscape. Other than the need to be loud, of course. That variable is always at peak.

I am stunned that people somehow think this is a "great post". It's like all of Awsi's posts - a long winded diatribe lightly based upon some things he claims he knew from Vegas thirty years ago. Lest people forget Awsi has advocated for every screen pass to fail, believes that the only unique thing about Miami was the OB and he yearns for the return of the triple option.

For instance, he says "IMO, programs like Alabama and USC and Notre Dame have birthright foundational logic to lull and then fully restore to dominance, but Miami is not in that category." I would love for him to define 'birthright foundational logic'. More meaningless jargon from a blowhard.

Yes, Miami is a tough job for many reasons. But it is also one of the easiest for a competent coach: talent in quantity, and the majority of the talent wants to play for Miami. That's the difference. Look at how many NFL players come from SFL.

Don't let someone like Awsi fool you with his hocus pocus nonsense. The U is and always will be one coach away from elite by virtue of its location.

 

[LuCane]

Exactly. We're just going to need to find some guys who aren't hicks.

There is only one thing that concerns me. Richt likely wants to surround himself with clean, faith and family-oriented guys. Those types are not always a natural fit in Miami.

Personally, I want guys like Ed Orgeron. All he cared about was recruiting, watching film, living on Brickell Key, chasing women and generally going harder than a Russian.

I'd go a step further and say they're rarely fits at all because their personal missions are often split between football and assorted religious, family and community goals. Of course, there are rare exceptions who can manage it all. For Miami, I think there has to be heightened focus on the grind and keeping a certain culture.

It's why I found it really odd, during the search, when people kept saying "Miami isn't unique!" What? Miami's a weird place. The SoFla kids are weird kids who are getting weirder. The only common denominator that ties it all together is the combination of continuous growth for the individual players (who need to be the hungry types that want to "ball out") and ruthless winning by the team (starts with the philosophy of the head guy).

Everyone says Richt is a great man and leader of people. I just hope he's a great coach who can win meaningful games. I'm cautious and will wait to see evidence.

 

[Miami82]

Exactly. We're just going to need to find some guys who aren't hicks.

There is only one thing that concerns me. Richt likely wants to surround himself with clean, faith and family-oriented guys. Those types are not always a natural fit in Miami.

Personally, I want guys like Ed Orgeron. All he cared about was recruiting, watching film, living on Brickell Key, chasing women and generally going harder than a Russian.

I'd go a step further and say they're rarely fits at all because their personal missions are often split between football and assorted religious, family and community goals. Of course, there are rare exceptions that can manage it all. For Miami, I think there has to be heightened focus on the grind and keeping a certain culture.

It's why I found it really odd, during the search, when people kept saying "Miami isn't unique!" What? Miami's a weird place. The SoFla kids are weird kids who are getting weirder. The only common denominator that ties it all together is the combination of continuous growth for the individual players (who need to be the hungry types that want to "ball out") and ruthless winning by the team (starts with the philosophy of the head guy).

Everyone says Richt is a great man and leader of people. I just hope he's a great coach who can win meaningful games. I'm cautious and will wait to see evidence.

Am I miss reading this or you don't really care for the Richt hire?

 

[Miami82]

How many co-OC offers can one give?

This is a hard job whether people think so or not, hardest job in the country imo. I used to think it was the easiest but u recruiting against the best down here and the stadium is buns sauce. Alot of pressure to win

Great post. I completely agree. It's not going to be difficult to frequently win a game or two more than we did this season. Beyond that and the math changes completely. The fan base is comfortably ignorant of that reality, and nothing will change in that regard. That's why I think the banners will occur fairly regularly, although a guy like Richt will receive more leeway as an alum and class act. There will be rants on sites like this but the banners will stay tucked away.

We won so huge in a short period of time with so many different coaches. I understood how amazing and unlikely it was because I was in Las Vegas throughout, dealing with money lines and other evaluations of probability. The typical Canes fan who grew up in that era has no clue. Consequently we're supposed to "kill" everybody, now and for the foreseeable, even with the trump-card Orange Bowl long gone. That type screams in internet terms and uses threatening taunting terms. On this site they've found a place where it is welcome and allowed to thrive. Obviously they impress some people, the fellow loud Bar Stoolers, based on the up votes their posts receive. They aren't fooling me or anyone with a real world grasp. The Canes never won huge in this conference. It's full of pesky mid level programs. For example, Georgia Tech may be mocked around here. Meanwhile, Clemson was -7 hosting Georgia Tech this season and Florida State was -6.5 on the road against Georgia Tech. So basically those are 2/5 games, meaning you should win 5 times out of 7. Hardly an avalanche or a "kill" scenario. But Canes fans will never accept that. They refuse to acknowledge that North Carolina State has comparable talent, etc. It doesn't have to be identical. Comparable. That's plenty. Line up enough comparable foes and you are hardly favored to run the table. As I've mentioned several times, with a few different specifics, if a college team is exactly a 10 point favorite in every game the season win over/under among 12 games will be 9.5, not 12. Those games are like 1/5 favoritism in man-to-man terms, not infinity. Plus now you've got the conference title game once we get that far and win the Coastal. Right now and logically forward that game is underdog status against either Florida State or Clemson, although it can certainly switch modestly in our favor.

Our power rating would literally have to bump 25 or more points from where it is now -- and stay there -- to allow the comfort level and arrogance that is so prevalent among the fan base.

Regardless, I'm just glad my timetable played out the way it has, with a moderate Canes team with a handful of excellent players in my youth, but otherwise no expectations of greatness either in the short or long term. Once that uptick amazingly occurred and extended, I was sharp enough to appreciate it not only for the rarity but the fragility. I savored every season and taped as many games as I could. I still have those tapes. Many were available on YouTube until unfortunately the International Olympic Committee and NFL attacked my channel based on copyright complaints and forced YouTube to shut it down a year or so ago. I might reinstate it somehow but right now I lack the energy.

I don't expect another national championship in my lifetime. IMO, programs like Alabama and USC and Notre Dame have birthright foundational logic to lull and then fully restore to dominance, but Miami is not in that category. Obviously I hope I'm wrong. In the meantime I'll follow the frantic stories of the moment and offer occasional observations. Right now I have no idea how so many guys are absolute authority on so many obscure assistant coaches dotting the landscape. Other than the need to be loud, of course. That variable is always at peak.

I am stunned that people somehow think this is a "great post". It's like all of Awsi's posts - a long winded diatribe lightly based upon some things he claims he knew from Vegas thirty years ago. Lest people forget Awsi has advocated for every screen pass to fail, believes that the only unique thing about Miami was the OB and he yearns for the return of the triple option.

For instance, he says "IMO, programs like Alabama and USC and Notre Dame have birthright foundational logic to lull and then fully restore to dominance, but Miami is not in that category." I would love for him to define 'birthright foundational logic'. More meaningless jargon from a blowhard.

Yes, Miami is a tough job for many reasons. But it is also one of the easiest for a competent coach: talent in quantity, and the majority of the talent wants to play for Miami. That's the difference. Look at how many NFL players come from SFL.

Don't let someone like Awsi fool you with his hocus pocus nonsense. The U is and always be one coach away from elite by virtue of its location.

Nailed it!!!