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kschro24 said:
EVERYONE needs to chill out. Chad Thomas will not leave. We have an EXTREMELY talented class! We lost two players who were no where near key pick ups for us. Why is everyone flipping out???? Al Golden is doing a lot to keep us moving forward from where we were with Randy Shannon. You all expect us to just jump to the best team in the country with their being no competition for us. That isnt going to happen. So take a deep breath and realize that we are getting better every year and AL GOLDEN is helping us get there.
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NO WE ARE NOT GETTING BETTER, THE CANES ARE GETTING WORSE ON DEFENSE AND REGRESSING HERE IS THE PROOF

http://sebastianspub.wordpress.com/2...-coral-gables/

NO D IN CORAL GABLES

JT Thomson (Follow on Twitter)

Al Golden went on the Joe Rose Show today on WQAM in Miami, and after giving a completely implausible version of events of what transpired the last few days with Penn State, shifted to a discussion of the play on the field.

He immediately went into a full throated defense of his defense, citing progress and laundry listing statistics. There is a problem with the approach that Golden took, however. This improvement does not take into account the difference in quality of opponents from 1 year to the next. Golden listed out specific, cherry picked statistics where the defense marginally improved, but this ignores the fact that the 2012 Miami Hurricanes played 2 top teams out of conference (Notre Dame and Kansas State), while the 2013 Miami Hurricanes played one of the softest schedules in program history.

For a fair and complete analysis, it is important to compare like to like. In his interview, Golden also brought up the 2011 team, pointing out how good it was by once again cherry picking metrics. But what about a complete analysis of Golden’s defense and the one that preceded his arrival under head coach Randy Shannon, comparing games in the conference so you are comparing apples to apples? Oh, we have you covered.

The statistics are from games against conference opponents only in each year. So it removes the good from the defense against Savannah State, etc… but it also removes the beatdowns from Notre Dame and Kansas State last year.

Essentially, this is about as fair a look, removing statistical noise and talent discrepancies, that you can take at a defense’s performance. And the results?

Conference Rankings

Total yards per game allowed

Dead last by 50 yards this year.
Next to last in 2012.
8th in 2011.
5th in 2010.


Total yards per play allowed

13th this year.
11th (of 12) last year.
10th in 2011.
5th in 2010.


Number of plays

Dead last this year.
Dead last last year.
5th in 2011.
4th in 2010.


Scoring defense in conference play

12th this year.
9th last year.
4th in 2011.
5th in 2010.


Analysis: So the one year they slow down the game, the scoring defense looks good. But in reality, the Canes were still getting gashed at a ridiculous level. Since Al Golden arrived on campus, and right when he arrived on campus, the overall quality of the defense plummeted. Moving from one of the top in the ACC to the bottom.

Sacks in conference play

Tied for last this year.
11th last year.
8th in 2011.
5th in 2010.


Analysis: Golden said they improved on sacks this year. This is only because they ran up numbers against the dregs like Savannah State. Once in conference play, they were tied for worst in the ACC.

Tackles for loss in conference play

Last this year.
11th last year.
7th in 2011.
1st in 2010.


Analysis: Basically, Miami doesn’t make plays behind the line of scrimmage against vaunted ACC O-Lines and Offenses. In 2010, the year prior to Golden’s arrival, they were the best in the conference at this.

Opponent 3rd down conversion % in conference

Last this year.
10th last year.
8th in 2011.
2nd in 2010.


Opponent 3rd down conversions in conference

13th this year.
8th last year.
4th in 2011.
4th in 2010.


Opponent 4th down conversion % in conference

Last (83% ALLOWED!).
5th last year.
5th in 2011.
1st in 2010.


Opponent 4th down conversions in conference

Tied for last this year.
Tied for 4th last year.
T-6 in 2011.
1st in 2010


Analysis: The team doesn’t get off the field on 3rd down. They don’t get off the field on 4th down. Again, in 2011 when they slowed down the game, the number of conversions went down, but they still converted them at a ridiculous rate.

Opponent redzone touchdown conversion % in conference


4th this year.
8th last year.
1st in 2011.
2nd in 2010.


Opponent redzone touchdown conversions


9th this year.
12th last year.
1st in 2011.
2nd in 2010.


Analysis: The good thing about the defense is that when the opponent gets to the redzone, they actually do a good job of keeping the opponent from scoring touchdowns. The bad news is that they let them in there more times than anyone in the conference, so they get scored on one way or another.

Opponent plays of greater than 10 yards in conference

last this year.
last last year.
10th in 2011.
5th in 2010.


Opponent plays of greater than 20 yards in conference

11th this year.
9th last year.
1st in 2011.
5th in 2010.


Analysis: This is pretty remarkable. Not only is the defense not making plays behind the line of scrimmage, but other teams are converting big plays.

Turnovers forced conference play


tied for 6th this year.
tied for 2nd last year.
10th in 2011.
2nd in 2010.


Analysis: The Canes did a good job of forcing turnovers the last 2 years. Interestingly enough, even in this positive metric, it actually trended down this year.

Conclusions

The defensive “progress” and “upward trend” in performance Al Golden referenced in his Joe Rose Show interview are COMPLETELY attributable to the out of conference opponents being weaker. The defense has yet to improve in three years, and there is no statistical justification for continuing under the same defensive staff and/or scheme. We’ll close with this handy little chart showing the real lack of progress.


That, Canes Fans, is the defense that your head coach just said was improving and trending in the right direction.
 
This is why you DO NOT HIRE RECRUITERS AS HC AT MIAMI.

You hire FOOTBALL COACHES who can get the best out of the talent they have, and when they do, then everyone wants to come and you don't have to beg kids. I don't understand why this concept is so difficult.

Gary Patterson isnt a recruiter. Neither is Petrino. But both would come in and actually win with what we got, which would turn this program into an attractive place to play based on the ON FIELD RESULTS not promises from a bunch of clueless hacks. After year three with Randy, people realized he was a corch and he couldnt sell the program anymore. Same **** with Golden now.

Please GOD will we ever be out of this misery?
 
jandman514 said:
Dwinstitles said:
I love um but its official its old power who cant keep in these times no matter whos coach. If coaches dont want 2 coach here they kno suttin wrong. Until we get a stadium is my only excuse.
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lol Research Alabama before Saban got there and how many coaches and years it took them to get back... While your at it research USC too before Pete Caroll.. But a Cane fan who hopped on the bandwagon because he seen guys in the league reppin us wouldn't know this stuff... FSU just got back after more than 10 years of being mediocre.. And guess what they have all the facilities like Bama and they sucked longer than we have..
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what are u talkin about? Saban had Bama turned around in 2 years
 
2Focusd804 said:
jandman514 said:
Dwinstitles said:
I love um but its official its old power who cant keep in these times no matter whos coach. If coaches dont want 2 coach here they kno suttin wrong. Until we get a stadium is my only excuse.
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lol Research Alabama before Saban got there and how many coaches and years it took them to get back... While your at it research USC too before Pete Caroll.. But a Cane fan who hopped on the bandwagon because he seen guys in the league reppin us wouldn't know this stuff... FSU just got back after more than 10 years of being mediocre.. And guess what they have all the facilities like Bama and they sucked longer than we have..
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what are u talkin about? Saban had Bama turned around in 2 years
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And Bama was dreadful for 15 years before him...
 
TheSwagger1 said:
I've been non-stop livid the last 3 weeks, but don't feel that way on this one.
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To be perfectly honest I don't much care for Bethel but it still is another slap in the **** via Booker T and that's the **** I can't get behind. The school churns out studs year in and year out and we can't count on any of them. Mind bottling.
 
Hey dummies the kid is from BTW. That's a pipeline school. You don't want to start losing kids from there two years in a row. And potentially losing 3 recruits in one week is not a good look. Especially when 2 of the 3 are of utmost importance to get in here. There is a bigger picture that some of you dumb asses can't seem to comprehend with recruiting. Open your eyes and start see reality
 
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DNR this thread, but I am sure there is a "split" in opinions.

Let's be clear, the Golden "fluffers" will draw stupid comparisons like the one I glanced over above comparing Al to Butch.

:nelsonhaha:

How moronic.

Al is not in the same league as Butch; the two play completely different sports!

Just accept the fact that we are ROYALY ****ED with this wanna be slick talking POS at the helm.

We are ****ed!

With that said, I suspected Nigel would decommit. The kid's been ******* around with us for a long time now.
 
Joecane said:
Definitely a grades issue with a kid who isn't that good and we obviously dropped.

Did I get them all?
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NO man, this is obviously because Golden sux, and he was totally snaked by that powerhouse at Texas Tech. I mean no coach at Miami has EVER had a kid decommit, or lose kids because of grades, and we know that the staff has NEVER cooled on a kid and stopped calling him and nudged him out the door. I mean its not like that even happened just a few months ago with a kid who doesnt exist named Edouard. Its not like this kid was publically BEGGING for an offer from UGA for months. The answer to EVERYTHING is Golden sucks.
 
GoldenShowers said:
This is why you DO NOT HIRE RECRUITERS AS HC AT MIAMI.

You hire FOOTBALL COACHES who can get the best out of the talent they have, and when they do, then everyone wants to come and you don't have to beg kids. I don't understand why this concept is so difficult.

Gary Patterson isnt a recruiter. Neither is Petrino. But both would come in and actually win with what we got, which would turn this program into an attractive place to play based on the ON FIELD RESULTS not promises from a bunch of clueless hacks. After year three with Randy, people realized he was a corch and he couldnt sell the program anymore. Same **** with Golden now.

Please GOD will we ever be out of this misery?
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This **** was deep man....Golden is a used car salesman
 
I've never been to Lubbock, TX but I cant imagine any scenario where I would drop an opportunity to live my college days out in South Florida for BF TX.
 
Dwinstitles said:
bosherthegreat said:
honestly we probably pulled this dudes offer. I was hoping we would, this kid pops off so much for average talent.
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Now u gotta trash a kid thats good friends with chad thomas,,,,,,,,,,stupid fkn fans i swear.
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I've been saying this thing whole time lmao I love Chad he's been completely straight up with the whole process, Nigel not so much.
 
This day I wish I never followed recruiting hope we keep chad and close out strong, nigel never wanted to be here is was georgia all day but they would not offer
 
Joecane said:
Definitely a grades issue with a kid who isn't that good and we obviously dropped.

Did I get them all?
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u forgot his offer was never committable, oh and Florida is loaded with DB's in 2015 we'll get Cole, Brewton, etc

wait, what?
 
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AsylumGodfather said:
kschro24 said:
EVERYONE needs to chill out. Chad Thomas will not leave. We have an EXTREMELY talented class! We lost two players who were no where near key pick ups for us. Why is everyone flipping out???? Al Golden is doing a lot to keep us moving forward from where we were with Randy Shannon. You all expect us to just jump to the best team in the country with their being no competition for us. That isnt going to happen. So take a deep breath and realize that we are getting better every year and AL GOLDEN is helping us get there.
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NO WE ARE NOT GETTING BETTER, THE CANES ARE GETTING WORSE ON DEFENSE AND REGRESSING HERE IS THE PROOF

http://sebastianspub.wordpress.com/2...-coral-gables/

NO D IN CORAL GABLES

JT Thomson (Follow on Twitter)

Al Golden went on the Joe Rose Show today on WQAM in Miami, and after giving a completely implausible version of events of what transpired the last few days with Penn State, shifted to a discussion of the play on the field.

He immediately went into a full throated defense of his defense, citing progress and laundry listing statistics. There is a problem with the approach that Golden took, however. This improvement does not take into account the difference in quality of opponents from 1 year to the next. Golden listed out specific, cherry picked statistics where the defense marginally improved, but this ignores the fact that the 2012 Miami Hurricanes played 2 top teams out of conference (Notre Dame and Kansas State), while the 2013 Miami Hurricanes played one of the softest schedules in program history.

For a fair and complete analysis, it is important to compare like to like. In his interview, Golden also brought up the 2011 team, pointing out how good it was by once again cherry picking metrics. But what about a complete analysis of Golden’s defense and the one that preceded his arrival under head coach Randy Shannon, comparing games in the conference so you are comparing apples to apples? Oh, we have you covered.

The statistics are from games against conference opponents only in each year. So it removes the good from the defense against Savannah State, etc… but it also removes the beatdowns from Notre Dame and Kansas State last year.

Essentially, this is about as fair a look, removing statistical noise and talent discrepancies, that you can take at a defense’s performance. And the results?

Conference Rankings

Total yards per game allowed

Dead last by 50 yards this year.
Next to last in 2012.
8th in 2011.
5th in 2010.


Total yards per play allowed

13th this year.
11th (of 12) last year.
10th in 2011.
5th in 2010.


Number of plays

Dead last this year.
Dead last last year.
5th in 2011.
4th in 2010.


Scoring defense in conference play

12th this year.
9th last year.
4th in 2011.
5th in 2010.


Analysis: So the one year they slow down the game, the scoring defense looks good. But in reality, the Canes were still getting gashed at a ridiculous level. Since Al Golden arrived on campus, and right when he arrived on campus, the overall quality of the defense plummeted. Moving from one of the top in the ACC to the bottom.

Sacks in conference play

Tied for last this year.
11th last year.
8th in 2011.
5th in 2010.


Analysis: Golden said they improved on sacks this year. This is only because they ran up numbers against the dregs like Savannah State. Once in conference play, they were tied for worst in the ACC.

Tackles for loss in conference play

Last this year.
11th last year.
7th in 2011.
1st in 2010.


Analysis: Basically, Miami doesn’t make plays behind the line of scrimmage against vaunted ACC O-Lines and Offenses. In 2010, the year prior to Golden’s arrival, they were the best in the conference at this.

Opponent 3rd down conversion % in conference

Last this year.
10th last year.
8th in 2011.
2nd in 2010.


Opponent 3rd down conversions in conference

13th this year.
8th last year.
4th in 2011.
4th in 2010.


Opponent 4th down conversion % in conference

Last (83% ALLOWED!).
5th last year.
5th in 2011.
1st in 2010.


Opponent 4th down conversions in conference

Tied for last this year.
Tied for 4th last year.
T-6 in 2011.
1st in 2010


Analysis: The team doesn’t get off the field on 3rd down. They don’t get off the field on 4th down. Again, in 2011 when they slowed down the game, the number of conversions went down, but they still converted them at a ridiculous rate.

Opponent redzone touchdown conversion % in conference


4th this year.
8th last year.
1st in 2011.
2nd in 2010.


Opponent redzone touchdown conversions


9th this year.
12th last year.
1st in 2011.
2nd in 2010.


Analysis: The good thing about the defense is that when the opponent gets to the redzone, they actually do a good job of keeping the opponent from scoring touchdowns. The bad news is that they let them in there more times than anyone in the conference, so they get scored on one way or another.

Opponent plays of greater than 10 yards in conference

last this year.
last last year.
10th in 2011.
5th in 2010.


Opponent plays of greater than 20 yards in conference

11th this year.
9th last year.
1st in 2011.
5th in 2010.


Analysis: This is pretty remarkable. Not only is the defense not making plays behind the line of scrimmage, but other teams are converting big plays.

Turnovers forced conference play


tied for 6th this year.
tied for 2nd last year.
10th in 2011.
2nd in 2010.


Analysis: The Canes did a good job of forcing turnovers the last 2 years. Interestingly enough, even in this positive metric, it actually trended down this year.

Conclusions

The defensive “progress” and “upward trend” in performance Al Golden referenced in his Joe Rose Show interview are COMPLETELY attributable to the out of conference opponents being weaker. The defense has yet to improve in three years, and there is no statistical justification for continuing under the same defensive staff and/or scheme. We’ll close with this handy little chart showing the real lack of progress.


That, Canes Fans, is the defense that your head coach just said was improving and trending in the right direction.
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So it is completely Golden's fault for having to deal with the sanctions and still get recruits while all of that was going on, and using Shannon's recruits, not all the people HE would want.

I'm sorry we aren't national champs already after all of the **** we have gone through. If you expect us to be top notch all ready. You're dumb
 
kschro24 said:
CANE4LIFE said:
theibisrules said:
F I R E A L G O L D E N N O W! and sign Butch Davis please. TIA.
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Yeah, because Butch never had a kids decommit on him. LOL. I swear some of you act like you have never followed a minute of recruiting.
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Seriously, all these impulsive fans ****ing off recruits and making everyone else look bad
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LOL, why would ANY school need to "negatively recruit" against Miami? All a kid has to do is log on here for 5 minutes and watch everything about this program be trashed every which way by the "fans". Cats act like these recruits dont know about these boards and are incapable of using a computer. If I was a coach trying to poach a Miami recruit, all I would do is send him a link to this site.
 
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