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News flash- run defense.

GuptaKnows said:
Brock, do you even look into the games that you start threads about? You know Bama gave up like half of those rushing total yards when they were already up 56-0 correct? Go look at the play by play and get back to me about Bama struggling against the run. You need to learn how to do more research before starting threads like this.

Lafayette didn't have a single drive that gained more than 28 yards until after Bama was up 56-0.
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That's typical CIS logic: it matters when we do it against FIU, but not when bama does it against ULL.
 
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The state of LB play in college and pros is the worst it's ever been. Spread offenses have evolved at a faster rate than defenses have adjusted and you're seeing LBs who lack the coverage and open-field tackling skills to keep up.

Can't understate the value of Solomon and Huff as modern LB prospects who have the movement and tackling skills to match offensive trends.
 
MikeCane18 said:
Not really worried about the total yardage at the end of the day on the ground it's the bad reads that seem to happen way too frequent now by some of our LB's. Running themselves out of plays and making wrong reads is something that needs to be cleaned up. Better teams and backs will turn those into points when it's all said and done. We certainly have shown the potential shut down running games VT and ND games last year so I don't think it's scheme overall, I think it's players making a wrong read here or there.

I don't think we are as bad as we showed on Thursday against the rush at all. Discipline and consistency on 3rd down is key though.
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to me it all comes down to discipline and staying home. There were plenty of times in the UNC game where if the LBs just stayed home the rb would have ran right into him.
 
GuptaKnows said:
Brock, do you even look into the games that you start threads about? You know Bama gave up like half of those rushing total yards when they were already up 56-0 correct? Go look at the play by play and get back to me about Bama struggling against the run. You need to learn how to do more research before starting threads like this.

Lafayette didn't have a single drive that gained more than 28 yards until after Bama was up 56-0.
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In Brock's defense people lose their **** here when we do the EXACT SAME THING.
 
The run defense looked lost on a couple of plays vs UNC. Their wacky wishbone seemed to cause a little confusion and I'm sure not having one of the best safeties in America out there played a part too. The thing was UNC kept pounding the running game even when they were down by 3 touchdowns or more. I'll live with giving up a few extra yards if it's bleeding the clock out in a blowout game.

A lot of the QB run problems we have is a direct result of playing man coverage. Every ding-bat on CIS says "we need more press man-to-man and less soft zone" "stop playing DBs off the receivers" Well, when you play press man, nobody is looking into the backfield. Everyone is focused on their man. That can lead to big running lanes for a QB, especially if the D line doesn't stay in their rushing lanes. Couple that with the stunting we often employ, you're going to leave some running lanes for a quicker QB to capitalize on.
 
37.6% of run plays against Miami have gone for a loss or no gain, best in FBS.
29.6% of FSU's run plays have gone for a loss or no gain, worst in FBS.

(Not counting sacks)

It's what we thought the defense was going to be. Yes we will give up big plays but we're #1 in the country in no gain/TFL run plays.

Our defense has been best of the best all year . Every stat alludes to that
 
Numbers don't lie. I get it's a rivalry, but we SHOULD demolish them. they are statistically one of the worst teams in college football and they haven't even faced a tough schedule
 
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Manny's defensive philosophy more than anything is to make a team one dimensional. UNC for example was completely shut down in the passing game. For that reason Manny was fine giving up a few QB runs. Every game is different but Manny does a very good job of making a team one dimensional most of the time. It seems the FSU offense is based around making big plays in the passing game. Look for that to be eliminated. That may mean dropping our safeties back a few steps and thus allowing a few 5 yards gains to become 9 yard gains. It will be easy to freak out if that happens, but if there are no long passes given up then Manny has succeeded.
 
edge said:
Manny's defensive philosophy more than anything is to make a team one dimensional. UNC for example was completely shut down in the passing game. For that reason Manny was fine giving up a few QB runs. Every game is different but Manny does a very good job of making a team one dimensional most of the time. It seems the FSU offense is based around making big plays in the passing game. Look for that to be eliminated. That may mean dropping our safeties back a few steps and thus allowing a few 5 yards gains to become 9 yard gains. It will be easy to freak out if that happens, but if there are no long passes given up then Manny has succeeded.
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Agreed

The coaches care more about wins than stats, however us fans may not agree
 
DTP said:
The run defense looked lost on a couple of plays vs UNC. Their wacky wishbone seemed to cause a little confusion and I'm sure not having one of the best safeties in America out there played a part too. The thing was UNC kept pounding the running game even when they were down by 3 touchdowns or more. I'll live with giving up a few extra yards if it's bleeding the clock out in a blowout game.

A lot of the QB run problems we have is a direct result of playing man coverage. Every ding-bat on CIS says "we need more press man-to-man and less soft zone" "stop playing DBs off the receivers" Well, when you play press man, nobody is looking into the backfield. Everyone is focused on their man. That can lead to big running lanes for a QB, especially if the D line doesn't stay in their rushing lanes. Couple that with the stunting we often employ, you're going to leave some running lanes for a quicker QB to capitalize on.
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Kind of to piggy back on this point, no defense is really expecting a consistent running attack when they are up 3 scores... Similar situation would be on third and twenty when a team runs a draw and picks up 13 yards.... Sure you can look at it and say how did we give up a 10+ yard run but you also look in context and say oh we are up by 21 and letting them chew clock and run up the middle for moderate gains. Not to mention I also saw a stat that roughly 44% of UNC plays were for negative or no yards, that is insane.
 
brock said:
I know Some were concerned about the run defense vs unc, but look around a lot of team have struggled defending the run at times this season, it happens...

-Bama gave up 200 plus rushing yards to Louisiana lafayette this past week.

-ohio state gave up 230 yard to Oregon state and trace mcsorley the QB from penn state just had 160 plus rushing yards against them...

I used Bama and Ohio state for example who have some of the best personnel in the country on defense and they still struggled defending the run against inferior opponents(obviously not talking about penn state)to show how it can happen to anyone.

Regardless overall our run defense has been good throughout the season but obviously had a hiccup for sure. But imo a lot of that will be fixed once Jaquan Johnson because a lot of those 10-15 plus runs wont breakout with him back there .
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Who's Bama's DL coach again?

Our kids are just learning how to defend the run. They are improving in my opinion.
 
KWConch said:
And this right here better be cleaned up before that uva QBs shows up.
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Help me out KW, cause I agree with you to a certain extent, UVA and that mutherfvckin terminator clone from Cuse who just wouldn't die, despite us giving him like 5 concussions, those guys concern me, and always will to a certain extent with a Miami defense that is focused on getting upfield and attacking...

That said, I don't really get all the concern right now. Didn't all the teams we've played so far this year get their QB running yards on us after we were up big and playing the pass, looking to stop drives with big plays, but willing to give up some yards on the ground as long as we kept everything in front of us?

I don't really get the concern about the NC game, and wasn't concerned watching the game myself. Guy would break a couple runs for 15 yards here and there, but then he'd get debacled for a huge loss or turn the ball over and it's like "threat neutralized". Don't get the hyperventilating.

We need to keep those running lanes closed against FSU on Saturday as well, Frenchie and crew can run, but hey, so could ND. If we're up 35-10, though, and they run one for 15 on a scramble where we were a cvnt hair away from killing a guy, I think it just makes you sound stupid when you turn to the fan next to you and shout "see mang, this what I been talking about, we need to fire that fvckin Manny guy!" Yeah, ok, cool football knowledge, bro.
 
CaneSwag1995 said:
In general, I’m not really concerned about our run defense. I think, more specifically, we struggle against running quarterbacks.
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Be more specific dual threat qbs are what gives everybody problems you have to defend too much.either you give up a decent run or a big pass play..pick your poison at whats the best option to defend.
 
brock said:
I know Some were concerned about the run defense vs unc, but look around a lot of team have struggled defending the run at times this season, it happens...

-Bama gave up 200 plus rushing yards to Louisiana lafayette this past week.

-ohio state gave up 230 yard to Oregon state and trace mcsorley the QB from penn state just had 160 plus rushing yards against them...

I used Bama and Ohio state for example who have some of the best personnel in the country on defense and they still struggled defending the run against inferior opponents(obviously not talking about penn state)to show how it can happen to anyone.

Regardless overall our run defense has been good throughout the season but obviously had a hiccup for sure. But imo a lot of that will be fixed once Jaquan Johnson because a lot of those 10-15 plus runs wont breakout with him back there .
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Bottom line is that UNC offense will be tough to defend for most teams. Tons of misdirection especially if you have a dangerous QB.

Not dismissing the run defense but I’m not concerned either
 
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JHallCanes said:
Bottom line is that UNC offense will be tough to defend for most teams. Tons of misdirection especially if you have a dangerous QB.

Not dismissing the run defense but I’m not concerned either
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And remember surrat was knocked out of the game when we played them ast year so he didn’t display that much running ability so maybe the underestimated that quite a bit coming into the game.
 
Mklein13 said:
Have they played a good qb yet? No...
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I would say not counting Sav. State.. UNC were the only bad qbs. The rest of the QBs we faced are good enough for their team... i mean who do you think is a "good" qb on our schedule that will prove our dbs are good??
 
KrazyCane said:
I would say not counting Sav. State.. UNC were the only bad qbs. The rest of the QBs we faced are good enough for their team... i mean who do you think is a "good" qb on our schedule that will prove our dbs are good??
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All of the qbs Miami faced were bad. Francois, Jones from Duke, Virginia’s qb, and Josh Jackson (If he is healthy enough) are better then the 5 qbs Miami has faced.
 
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