New football league coming I see

[mirednmediocrity2]

I would love to see the NFL have to face up to some serious competition. Still won't happen yet, in part because I think the allegiances to the well-established teams are too deeply ingrained in most people. That could change, though. I used to consider myself a hardcore Dolphins fan. Had season tickets for many years. This past season, though, I don't think I watched a full single quarter of Dolphins football. To me, the NFL game has become so ponderous.

Ponderous, as well as not competitive. It’s as bad or worse than CFB in that respect. Both are essentially one loaded team and a bunch of also rans.

 

[gruntking]

I would love to see the NFL have to face up to some serious competition. Still won't happen yet, in part because I think the allegiances to the well-established teams are too deeply ingrained in most people. That could change, though. I used to consider myself a hardcore Dolphins fan. Had season tickets for many years. This past season, though, I don't think I watched a full single quarter of Dolphins football. To me, the NFL game has become so ponderous.

I’m with u... went from long time season ticket holder to tv watcher to DVRing games to not even watching a single snap this year. Aside from the obvious mismanagement issues, I really didn’t like that Tebow/gator day they hosted on the canes home field.

My problem with the Fins go back many years and include things that happened during my 21 year Orange Bowl season tickets. The Joe Robbie stadium celebration of the Gator national championship was just the icing on the cake. Like I said I can write a short story about my anti-Fins feelings.
To make things really interesting, my wife of 10 years and all her sons are diehard Fins fans... you have no idea what shiit has occurred talking about the Fins and Mr. Marino.
I would give generously if the Canes could build a real home stadium before I kick the bucket... but I have better chances of winning a lottery.

 

[Rellyrell]

XFL, USFL, AFL.....all the same. Vince Mac can’t even sustain the WWE as their rateing, attendance, along w their horrible story lines and character build continues to flop. Yet he thinks he has an opportunity to try this crap league again? Whatever floats his boat.

 

[djrion]

Yearby gonna get that second chance to leave Miami early before graduating!

Cheeseburger, Lineage 14.1

 

[Meat]

I think this is going to be a success. There's a groundswell of people who are quietly dissatisfied with the NFL....but who put up with it because they love football. Give those people another option, and I think you'll get some interest.

Broadcasting the games on Amazon/Netflix/Hulu is brilliant as well....so many people like me out there who are chord cutters. It's a new world and the NFL is stuck in the quicksand.

 

[Meat]

Would be 1000000X more interesting if they can take kids straight out of high school

I agree. Make it competition for the NCAA in the first 4 years, then have no age restriction. Not hard to compete when the NCAA allows $0.

Even the NFL has a salary cap. This new league doesn't need to have one. So they could potentially pay better than the NFL. They could poach some serious talent from the NFL if their pockets are deep enough.

Or force the NFL to change its rules on player salaries.

 

[pumbaa]

Would be 1000000X more interesting if they can take kids straight out of high school

I agree. Make it competition for the NCAA in the first 4 years, then have no age restriction. Not hard to compete when the NCAA allows $0.

Even the NFL has a salary cap. This new league doesn't need to have one. So they could potentially pay better than the NFL. They could poach some serious talent from the NFL if their pockets are deep enough.

Or force the NFL to change its rules on player salaries.

You think 100MM to fund the whole thing is going to allow him to pay players more money? He won't ever get the big players, this is a pandering/gimmick move to bring interest and rating back to WWE, and I'd say there is a 33% change or even more that this never even happens.

 

[firstandcanes]

my understanding is if you take a knee during the anthem, you get a Stone Cold Stunner

Just need JR announcing, STONE COLD!!! STONE COLD!!!

 

[Meat]

Would be 1000000X more interesting if they can take kids straight out of high school

I agree. Make it competition for the NCAA in the first 4 years, then have no age restriction. Not hard to compete when the NCAA allows $0.

Even the NFL has a salary cap. This new league doesn't need to have one. So they could potentially pay better than the NFL. They could poach some serious talent from the NFL if their pockets are deep enough.

Or force the NFL to change its rules on player salaries.

You think 100MM to fund the whole thing is going to allow him to pay players more money? He won't ever get the big players, this is a pandering/gimmick move to bring interest and rating back to WWE, and I'd say there is a 33% change or even more that this never even happens.

He'll have to put in more than $100 million, but yeah...if the NFL is artificially lowering salaries by having a salary cap, then that opens the door for a competitor to come in and poach players.

Why don't any soccer leagues have salary caps? Because there is more than one league, and players will always go where they're paid the most.

NFL is vulnerable to the same thing happening, if we ever get a second league to compete with them.

Monopolies are a bad thing. Would be good for everyone involved if this new league succeeded.

 

[TheEye]

Would be 1000000X more interesting if they can take kids straight out of high school

I agree. Make it competition for the NCAA in the first 4 years, then have no age restriction. Not hard to compete when the NCAA allows $0.

Even the NFL has a salary cap. This new league doesn't need to have one. So they could potentially pay better than the NFL. They could poach some serious talent from the NFL if their pockets are deep enough.

Or force the NFL to change its rules on player salaries.

You think 100MM to fund the whole thing is going to allow him to pay players more money? He won't ever get the big players, this is a pandering/gimmick move to bring interest and rating back to WWE, and I'd say there is a 33% change or even more that this never even happens.

He'll have to put in more than $100 million, but yeah...if the NFL is artificially lowering salaries by having a salary cap, then that opens the door for a competitor to come in and poach players.

Why don't any soccer leagues have salary caps? Because there is more than one league, and players will always go where they're paid the most.

NFL is vulnerable to the same thing happening, if we ever get a second league to compete with them.

Monopolies are a bad thing. Would be good for everyone involved if this new league succeeded.

I don't think the money is there to truly put an NFL product on the field. That's why they should focus on getting younger players in the first 4 years. Market it as professional minor league. Then after 4 years, you lift the age restriction and take in adults. Think of how many 5 star players they would have after paying $$!

 

[caneaddict]

much better timing, all he needs is to allow guys to knock each others heads off

 

[TheMatador]

I think you should let the league be wide open.

Guys drinking beer on the sidelines
Allow fighting like Hockey in a faux WWE styled format
Allow guys to argue with and push the refs
Faux bribes
Fan Voting for controversial calls on the field

Cop a feel from cheerleaders when you go out of bounds.

 

[TheMatador]

I lived in Orlando during the one season of XFL football and had season tickets for the Rage. There's no pro teams in Orlando besides the Magic so it was fun to get out to the Citrus Bowl for games but the actual football sucked. Bad. Sloppy and boring with a majority of the players being guys I'd never head of. (Although former 'Cane James Burgess played for Orlando) I'd imagine it's what having a minor league baseball team is like with the exception that some minor league guys might become stars, whereas XFL guys were has beens or never-will-bes.

Ryan Clement played. I'm sure there were other Canes. Maybe some old-timers like George Mira, Sr., Ted Hendricks and Jim Otto could come out of retirement.

 

[Port Knox]

I would love to see the NFL have to face up to some serious competition. Still won't happen yet, in part because I think the allegiances to the well-established teams are too deeply ingrained in most people. That could change, though. I used to consider myself a hardcore Dolphins fan. Had season tickets for many years. This past season, though, I don't think I watched a full single quarter of Dolphins football. To me, the NFL game has become so ponderous.

I’m pretty sure it’s because the Dolphins have been so mediocre for so long. Imagine being a Browns or Jets fan.

 

[pumbaa]

Would be 1000000X more interesting if they can take kids straight out of high school

I agree. Make it competition for the NCAA in the first 4 years, then have no age restriction. Not hard to compete when the NCAA allows $0.

Even the NFL has a salary cap. This new league doesn't need to have one. So they could potentially pay better than the NFL. They could poach some serious talent from the NFL if their pockets are deep enough.

Or force the NFL to change its rules on player salaries.

You think 100MM to fund the whole thing is going to allow him to pay players more money? He won't ever get the big players, this is a pandering/gimmick move to bring interest and rating back to WWE, and I'd say there is a 33% change or even more that this never even happens.

He'll have to put in more than $100 million, but yeah...if the NFL is artificially lowering salaries by having a salary cap, then that opens the door for a competitor to come in and poach players.

Why don't any soccer leagues have salary caps? Because there is more than one league, and players will always go where they're paid the most.

NFL is vulnerable to the same thing happening, if we ever get a second league to compete with them.

Monopolies are a bad thing. Would be good for everyone involved if this new league succeeded.

Soccer leauges don't have salary caps they just have financial fair-play but FIFA doesn't do anything about it. Also not having salary caps ruins European soccer, unless you get a Lecester City type of run you know Man City is taking the EPL, PSG is taking Leage 1, Jueventus is taking Calcio A, Barca or Real Madrid are taking LaLiga, and so on.

Saying all that he won't have the money to out bid the NFL with their tv, sponsorship, and branding deals. You won't get 500MM funneled in by Nike to make the Jerseys.

 

[simplycanes]

This will work out well for a lot of our early draft entrants.

 

[Meat]

I agree. Make it competition for the NCAA in the first 4 years, then have no age restriction. Not hard to compete when the NCAA allows $0.

Even the NFL has a salary cap. This new league doesn't need to have one. So they could potentially pay better than the NFL. They could poach some serious talent from the NFL if their pockets are deep enough.

Or force the NFL to change its rules on player salaries.

You think 100MM to fund the whole thing is going to allow him to pay players more money? He won't ever get the big players, this is a pandering/gimmick move to bring interest and rating back to WWE, and I'd say there is a 33% change or even more that this never even happens.

He'll have to put in more than $100 million, but yeah...if the NFL is artificially lowering salaries by having a salary cap, then that opens the door for a competitor to come in and poach players.

Why don't any soccer leagues have salary caps? Because there is more than one league, and players will always go where they're paid the most.

NFL is vulnerable to the same thing happening, if we ever get a second league to compete with them.

Monopolies are a bad thing. Would be good for everyone involved if this new league succeeded.

Soccer leauges don't have salary caps they just have financial fair-play but FIFA doesn't do anything about it. Also not having salary caps ruins European soccer, unless you get a Lecester City type of run you know Man City is taking the EPL, PSG is taking Leage 1, Jueventus is taking Calcio A, Barca or Real Madrid are taking LaLiga, and so on.

Saying all that he won't have the money to out bid the NFL with their tv, sponsorship, and branding deals. You won't get 500MM funneled in by Nike to make the Jerseys.

I can think of one soccer league that does have a salary cap - the MLS. As a result, the pay is crap and so the league suffers because it can't attract talent. Salary caps are only used in American sports leagues (NBA, NFL) and they're dumb as ****. I don't even know how they're legal, honestly. The players ought to fire whoever is in charge of the NFLPA... they're being done dirty.

You just named four teams that are competitive in European soccer, and you know very well that there are several more (Manchester United, Chelsea, AC Milan, Bayern Munich, etc). So when you look at the Champions League, you have some very competitive play and the best of the best in the world. And the players are paid what they're worth.

All that said, I'm not a huge fan of soccer, I'm just using it as an example because in that case you have several leagues competing side-by-side as well as a healthy network of feeder leagues.... unlike our NFL which has no competition at all, and no minor league.

The game of football suffers because we only have one professional league and a college system that exploits players. Somebody needs to give the NFL some real competition.

I don't know if that somebody is going to be the XFL.... but I can see the business case for it. I'll be hoping it succeeds, for the good of the sport.

 

[Tad Footeball]

Would be 1000000X more interesting if they can take kids straight out of high school

I agree. Make it competition for the NCAA in the first 4 years, then have no age restriction. Not hard to compete when the NCAA allows $0.

Even the NFL has a salary cap. This new league doesn't need to have one. So they could potentially pay better than the NFL. They could poach some serious talent from the NFL if their pockets are deep enough.

Or force the NFL to change its rules on player salaries.

You think 100MM to fund the whole thing is going to allow him to pay players more money? He won't ever get the big players, this is a pandering/gimmick move to bring interest and rating back to WWE, and I'd say there is a 33% change or even more that this never even happens.

In the latest valuations by Forbes, the AVERAGE NFL team is now worth $2.34 BILLION. Vince McMahon is "attempting" to start an ENTIRE league for an equal amount to 4 PERCENT of a SINGLE NFL franchise.

He'll be lucky to compete with the Lingerie League in salaries at that rate.

I'm all for competetion in the marketplace but not when it's done by a showman....on the cheap....trying to pander to a niche political audience.

 

[Colombie]

Once again Vince is over- selling his product and will probably under-deliver.

He is making all these promises that he cannot possibly keep. Maybe he can keep a majority of them but I am doubting that too.

That said, I think it can last more than a season this time around. I am thinking maybe 4 or 5 seasons max. He just needs to hire NFL/CFL/College Football brains that know how to run teams and programs.

I think he needs to focus on the football and the teams need to have an identity. Maybe the west coast team should run the Westcoast offense. The Southern teams should run power running games type of offenses. Maybe one team should run the option and be comprised of former Military academies' players ( Maybe they can play in Annapolis.) One team should run the Spread offense and be the type of team spread college Qbs really want to go to if the NFL avoids them.

All I know is that they have to do a better job of promoting themselves as a real football league and these next 2 years they have to treat it as a serious venture. Not as a Wrestling type of Federation that is trying to play football. That was one of the many big mistakes made last time.

 

[Meat]

Would be 1000000X more interesting if they can take kids straight out of high school

I agree. Make it competition for the NCAA in the first 4 years, then have no age restriction. Not hard to compete when the NCAA allows $0.

Even the NFL has a salary cap. This new league doesn't need to have one. So they could potentially pay better than the NFL. They could poach some serious talent from the NFL if their pockets are deep enough.

Or force the NFL to change its rules on player salaries.

You think 100MM to fund the whole thing is going to allow him to pay players more money? He won't ever get the big players, this is a pandering/gimmick move to bring interest and rating back to WWE, and I'd say there is a 33% change or even more that this never even happens.

In the latest valuations by Forbes, the AVERAGE NFL team is now worth $2.34 BILLION. Vince McMahon is "attempting" to start an ENTIRE league for an equal amount to 4 PERCENT of a SINGLE NFL franchise.

He'll be lucky to compete with the Lingerie League in salaries at that rate.

I'm all for competetion in the marketplace but not when it's done by a showman....on the cheap....trying to pander to a niche political audience.

He'll need a lot more than $100 million to succeed. He needs to get other investors.

I think the NFL is valued at around $17 billion. He doesn't need quite that much, since presumably he won't be in 32 cities right away, but he'll need substantially more than the $100 million figure being tossed around.

I don't think "pandering" to a political audience has anything to do with anything. I think it's called marketing. Probably more than half of football fans believe players should stand for the anthem. I wouldn't call that niche, I would call that "most people."

Catering to markets is the way companies make money. People want their football players to stand for the anthem. The XFL is trying to give the people what they want.

And obviously, there's more complaints to be had about the NFL than just that. People think the games are too slow and drag on, too many penalties, too many rules favoring the offense and a pussification of the game in general with all the personal foul penalties. Also, people think the NFL is too sanitized and PC... they want to see end zone dances and taunting and all the theatrics.

I also disagree with you that Vince McMahon is a bad choice... I think he's a great choice. He has experience building up sports brands, and I think he connects with your average redneck football fan. They just need to field some competitive teams, and they need to not go the "gimmick" route that they did last time like with the "no kickoff" thing and whatnot.