New football league coming I see

I agree. Make it competition for the NCAA in the first 4 years, then have no age restriction. Not hard to compete when the NCAA allows $0.

Even the NFL has a salary cap. This new league doesn't need to have one. So they could potentially pay better than the NFL. They could poach some serious talent from the NFL if their pockets are deep enough.

Or force the NFL to change its rules on player salaries.

You think 100MM to fund the whole thing is going to allow him to pay players more money? He won't ever get the big players, this is a pandering/gimmick move to bring interest and rating back to WWE, and I'd say there is a 33% change or even more that this never even happens.

In the latest valuations by Forbes, the AVERAGE NFL team is now worth $2.34 BILLION. Vince McMahon is "attempting" to start an ENTIRE league for an equal amount to 4 PERCENT of a SINGLE NFL franchise.

He'll be lucky to compete with the Lingerie League in salaries at that rate.

I'm all for competetion in the marketplace but not when it's done by a showman....on the cheap....trying to pander to a niche political audience.

He'll need a lot more than $100 million to succeed. He needs to get other investors.

I think the NFL is valued at around $17 billion. He doesn't need quite that much, since presumably he won't be in 32 cities right away, but he'll need substantially more than the $100 million figure being tossed around.

I don't think "pandering" to a political audience has anything to do with anything. I think it's called marketing. Probably more than half of football fans believe players should stand for the anthem. I wouldn't call that niche, I would call that "most people."

Catering to markets is the way companies make money. People want their football players to stand for the anthem. The XFL is trying to give the people what they want.

I also disagree with you that Vince McMahon is a bad choice... I think he's a great choice. He has experience building up sports brands, and I think he connects with your average redneck football fan. They just need to field some competitive teams, and they need to not go the "gimmick" route that they did last time like with the "no kickoff" thing and whatnot.

Forbes had the Cowboys alone at north of $4 billion. So agreed in that he'd definitely need more startup $ or he's going to be getting guys that the CFL doesn't even want.

I say it's pandering to a niche because he immediately started with the anthem stuff yesterday and therefore made it political while saying he wasn't.

You very well are probably right that a majority of football fans just want everyone to stand. But you are pandering to a niche when you make it a central issue because now you're placing too big a focus on the business of those fans that won't watch the NFL period because of the anthem stuff- which at most is like 10% of football fans.
 
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As long as they don't make it into a travelling circus with crazy rules and side bar stuff, there is room for another league
 
Even the NFL has a salary cap. This new league doesn't need to have one. So they could potentially pay better than the NFL. They could poach some serious talent from the NFL if their pockets are deep enough.

Or force the NFL to change its rules on player salaries.

You think 100MM to fund the whole thing is going to allow him to pay players more money? He won't ever get the big players, this is a pandering/gimmick move to bring interest and rating back to WWE, and I'd say there is a 33% change or even more that this never even happens.

In the latest valuations by Forbes, the AVERAGE NFL team is now worth $2.34 BILLION. Vince McMahon is "attempting" to start an ENTIRE league for an equal amount to 4 PERCENT of a SINGLE NFL franchise.

He'll be lucky to compete with the Lingerie League in salaries at that rate.

I'm all for competetion in the marketplace but not when it's done by a showman....on the cheap....trying to pander to a niche political audience.

He'll need a lot more than $100 million to succeed. He needs to get other investors.

I think the NFL is valued at around $17 billion. He doesn't need quite that much, since presumably he won't be in 32 cities right away, but he'll need substantially more than the $100 million figure being tossed around.

I don't think "pandering" to a political audience has anything to do with anything. I think it's called marketing. Probably more than half of football fans believe players should stand for the anthem. I wouldn't call that niche, I would call that "most people."

Catering to markets is the way companies make money. People want their football players to stand for the anthem. The XFL is trying to give the people what they want.

I also disagree with you that Vince McMahon is a bad choice... I think he's a great choice. He has experience building up sports brands, and I think he connects with your average redneck football fan. They just need to field some competitive teams, and they need to not go the "gimmick" route that they did last time like with the "no kickoff" thing and whatnot.

Forbes had the Cowboys alone at north of $4 billion. So agreed in that he'd definitely need more startup $ or he's going to be getting guys that the CFL doesn't even want.

I say it's pandering to a niche because he immediately started with the anthem stuff yesterday and therefore made it political while saying he wasn't.

You very well are probably right that a majority of football fans just want everyone to stand. But you are pandering to a niche when you make it a central issue because now you're placing too big a focus on the business of those fans that won't watch the NFL period because of the anthem stuff- which at most is like 10% of football fans.

I don't concern myself with the whole standing/sitting for the anthem thing. If someone wants to sit down, or kneel, who gives a ****. We don't live in North Korea. These are grown *** men who can do whatever the **** they want. At the same time, I don't think they're some kind of heroes to be celebrated, either. There ain't gonna be one ******* ounce of social change that happens because colin kaepernick kneels during the anthem. If anything, he's just bringing hate down upon himself and making himself look entitled.

It's the same reason why right wingers don't like Hollywood actors. And I can understand where they're coming from. How are you gonna be a millionaire who's job is to play a game or look pretty on film, and at the same time try to lecture and moralize to regular people? These guys don't know what work is, they don't know what struggle is. Blue collar people get offended by that kind of thing, and it makes the stars and athletes look like divas who are out of touch.

So I can understand that point of view as well.

But let the peasants worry about that ****. What Vince McMahon is doing is he sees millions of camo-wearing, budweiser drinking rednecks who are mad at the NFL.... and he sees that as an opening. It's an opportunity to make money. There's nothing more American than that.
 
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You think 100MM to fund the whole thing is going to allow him to pay players more money? He won't ever get the big players, this is a pandering/gimmick move to bring interest and rating back to WWE, and I'd say there is a 33% change or even more that this never even happens.

In the latest valuations by Forbes, the AVERAGE NFL team is now worth $2.34 BILLION. Vince McMahon is "attempting" to start an ENTIRE league for an equal amount to 4 PERCENT of a SINGLE NFL franchise.

He'll be lucky to compete with the Lingerie League in salaries at that rate.

I'm all for competetion in the marketplace but not when it's done by a showman....on the cheap....trying to pander to a niche political audience.

He'll need a lot more than $100 million to succeed. He needs to get other investors.

I think the NFL is valued at around $17 billion. He doesn't need quite that much, since presumably he won't be in 32 cities right away, but he'll need substantially more than the $100 million figure being tossed around.

I don't think "pandering" to a political audience has anything to do with anything. I think it's called marketing. Probably more than half of football fans believe players should stand for the anthem. I wouldn't call that niche, I would call that "most people."

Catering to markets is the way companies make money. People want their football players to stand for the anthem. The XFL is trying to give the people what they want.

I also disagree with you that Vince McMahon is a bad choice... I think he's a great choice. He has experience building up sports brands, and I think he connects with your average redneck football fan. They just need to field some competitive teams, and they need to not go the "gimmick" route that they did last time like with the "no kickoff" thing and whatnot.

Forbes had the Cowboys alone at north of $4 billion. So agreed in that he'd definitely need more startup $ or he's going to be getting guys that the CFL doesn't even want.

I say it's pandering to a niche because he immediately started with the anthem stuff yesterday and therefore made it political while saying he wasn't.

You very well are probably right that a majority of football fans just want everyone to stand. But you are pandering to a niche when you make it a central issue because now you're placing too big a focus on the business of those fans that won't watch the NFL period because of the anthem stuff- which at most is like 10% of football fans.

I don't concern myself with the whole standing/sitting for the anthem thing. If someone wants to sit down, or kneel, who gives a ****. We don't live in North Korea. These are grown *** men who can do whatever the **** they want. At the same time, I don't think they're some kind of heroes to be celebrated, either. There ain't gonna be one ****ing ounce of social change that happens because colin kaepernick kneels during the anthem. If anything, he's just bringing hate down upon himself and making himself look entitled.

It's the same reason why right wingers don't like Hollywood actors. And I can understand where they're coming from. How are you gonna be a millionaire who's job is to play a game or look pretty on film, and at the same time try to lecture and moralize to regular people? These guys don't know what work is, they don't know what struggle is. Blue collar people get offended by that kind of thing, and it makes the stars and athletes look like divas who are out of touch.

So I can understand that point of view as well.

But let the peasants worry about that ****. What Vince McMahon is doing is he sees millions of camo-wearing, budweiser drinking rednecks who are mad at the NFL.... and he sees that as an opening. It's an opportunity to make money. There's nothing more American than that.

Yes, please lecture us on how a kids from Liberty City or Overtown or Pahokee or Belle Glade don't know what work is or what struggle. Please explain to everyone how the best athletes on the planet don't work at their craft meticulously minute by minute to get to be the 0.1% of high school football players to make it to the NFL. Now also explain to everyone how these same blue collar voters who hate Hollywood, sports and TV stars voted for a reality TV host who used to own a football team for President.

Also LOL that Vince is somehow going to compete with the NFL with an inferior product because a bunch of ****y rednecks without any money are going to tune in to it on the broadcasting medium that Vince doesn't even have yet. Also amazing how he's already completely alienated almost any self respecting black athlete from wanting to even participate in the league.

Genius.

This is a complete grift. They'll never play one game.
 
Would be 1000000X more interesting if they can take kids straight out of high school

I agree. Make it competition for the NCAA in the first 4 years, then have no age restriction. Not hard to compete when the NCAA allows $0.

Even the NFL has a salary cap. This new league doesn't need to have one. So they could potentially pay better than the NFL. They could poach some serious talent from the NFL if their pockets are deep enough.

Or force the NFL to change its rules on player salaries.

How can one person be so consistently wrong. It takes a special talent.
 
The NFL is a multi-billion dollar enterprise that's as synonymous with the U.S. as baseball once was. LULZ @ at anyone trying to make a case for Vince McMahon and his WWE lite version of football being a legitimate threat to either it, or it's multi-billion dollar farm system the NCAA. That just tells me you were too young to remember the XFL 1.0.
 
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In the latest valuations by Forbes, the AVERAGE NFL team is now worth $2.34 BILLION. Vince McMahon is "attempting" to start an ENTIRE league for an equal amount to 4 PERCENT of a SINGLE NFL franchise.

He'll be lucky to compete with the Lingerie League in salaries at that rate.

I'm all for competetion in the marketplace but not when it's done by a showman....on the cheap....trying to pander to a niche political audience.

He'll need a lot more than $100 million to succeed. He needs to get other investors.

I think the NFL is valued at around $17 billion. He doesn't need quite that much, since presumably he won't be in 32 cities right away, but he'll need substantially more than the $100 million figure being tossed around.

I don't think "pandering" to a political audience has anything to do with anything. I think it's called marketing. Probably more than half of football fans believe players should stand for the anthem. I wouldn't call that niche, I would call that "most people."

Catering to markets is the way companies make money. People want their football players to stand for the anthem. The XFL is trying to give the people what they want.

I also disagree with you that Vince McMahon is a bad choice... I think he's a great choice. He has experience building up sports brands, and I think he connects with your average redneck football fan. They just need to field some competitive teams, and they need to not go the "gimmick" route that they did last time like with the "no kickoff" thing and whatnot.

Forbes had the Cowboys alone at north of $4 billion. So agreed in that he'd definitely need more startup $ or he's going to be getting guys that the CFL doesn't even want.

I say it's pandering to a niche because he immediately started with the anthem stuff yesterday and therefore made it political while saying he wasn't.

You very well are probably right that a majority of football fans just want everyone to stand. But you are pandering to a niche when you make it a central issue because now you're placing too big a focus on the business of those fans that won't watch the NFL period because of the anthem stuff- which at most is like 10% of football fans.

I don't concern myself with the whole standing/sitting for the anthem thing. If someone wants to sit down, or kneel, who gives a ****. We don't live in North Korea. These are grown *** men who can do whatever the **** they want. At the same time, I don't think they're some kind of heroes to be celebrated, either. There ain't gonna be one ****ing ounce of social change that happens because colin kaepernick kneels during the anthem. If anything, he's just bringing hate down upon himself and making himself look entitled.

It's the same reason why right wingers don't like Hollywood actors. And I can understand where they're coming from. How are you gonna be a millionaire who's job is to play a game or look pretty on film, and at the same time try to lecture and moralize to regular people? These guys don't know what work is, they don't know what struggle is. Blue collar people get offended by that kind of thing, and it makes the stars and athletes look like divas who are out of touch.

So I can understand that point of view as well.

But let the peasants worry about that ****. What Vince McMahon is doing is he sees millions of camo-wearing, budweiser drinking rednecks who are mad at the NFL.... and he sees that as an opening. It's an opportunity to make money. There's nothing more American than that.

Yes, please lecture us on how a kids from Liberty City or Overtown or Pahokee or Belle Glade don't know what work is or what struggle. Please explain to everyone how the best athletes on the planet don't work at their craft meticulously minute by minute to get to be the 0.1% of high school football players to make it to the NFL. Now also explain to everyone how these same blue collar voters who hate Hollywood, sports and TV stars voted for a reality TV host who used to own a football team for President.

Also LOL that Vince is somehow going to compete with the NFL with an inferior product because a bunch of ****y rednecks without any money are going to tune in to it on the broadcasting medium that Vince doesn't even have yet. Also amazing how he's already completely alienated almost any self respecting black athlete from wanting to even participate in the league.

Genius.

This is a complete grift. They'll never play one game.

Yeah, you're probably right, there was the USFL, but there was also the AFL. Was there an influence?
 
We should make it clear about the AFL. I am referring to the American Football League (now part of the NFL), not the Arena league.
 
Arena Football was ‘kinda’ interesting. They tried to find a niche, and succeeded for awhile. 7-on-7 football, indoor. This is the approach McMahon should take.
 
I’d like to insert a a gif of longshanks tossing that guy out of the tower in Braveheart but I dont have the requiste skill set.
 
I wouldn't even try to poach NFL guys. Too much money, union, sponsorships, etc. etc.

But you can poach kids from Div. I football. and a few select elite Div. II schools. Coaches and staff as well.

Also recruit high school seniors. Sign them to two to four year deals. Pay somewhere between 75k for a lower tier kid per year, 250+k for an elite kid, etc.

These kids can also use their names and likenesses for more money.

Protect the players, but take the handcuffs off the defense. Go on Hulu, Netflix, WWE network, etc.

Supposedly they are going to start with a 8 team league.

You can get elite kids out of college. 0k to 250k isn't that hard of a sell.
 
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Peter Ariz gonna be GM of XFL team in Miami.

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