NCAA Looking to close the Loopholes

[Number1CanesFan]

bro.. Vilma graduated high school with straight As and could speak 4 languages fluently. That is a rare breed - white, black, spanish, athlethe or not. that is what i was referring. GTFOH with your fake outrage.

Choose your words appropriately. Don't go throwing "rare breed" when talking about black folks like he's Django. It's like when people meet someone black and say, "he really speaks well." As though that's not an expectation and is something that would never be said to a white person. It's an insult.

 

[Silver King]

That's how you Gangsta up an empire, merge or hire the guy away.

 

[kccanefan]

 

[JG13]

Mark Emmert is like if Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell had a kid. It should've been killed at birth by a priest sent directly from The Vatican.

The power of Christ compels you! The power of Christ compels you! I will not allow you to join forces with the SEC you spawn of Satan!

He'll need the Megiddo daggers to extinguish the spawn's soul...

 

[rccollins]

Choose your words appropriately. Don't go throwing "rare breed" when talking about black folks like he's Django. It's like when people meet someone black and say, "he really speaks well." As though that's not an expectation and is something that would never be said to a white person. It's an insult.

Listen, I am 100 percent on your side in general about these issues. This time, though, i think you were looking into something that simply was not there. You used Vilma as an example, when you being a canes fan, should have known what a unique example he was. Most canes fans know this about Vilma, so it seemed odd that you would use him as an example. There are many examples of non boy geniuses , former cane ballers being extremely successful. Vilma, is just one, imo, that would have succeeded wihtout the football scholarship. (or with it).

 

[OldhamA]

You don't need either of those degrees to have a very good career in software development. The same is true of basically any career outside of Law and Medicine. There is value in a college education, but it is grossly overhyped and the cost is undeniably overinflated. Treating it as some kind of golden ticket from the gods is ridiculously silly nowadays with the amount of free or cheap information online, and the plethora of new educational models appearing. For the vast majority of people better options exist than either selling yourself into debt for a degree, or putting your body on the line for one.

Sincerely,

College drop out with a very good career in software development.

A degree gets your foot in the door - even in this country.

Case in point, someone I worked with a couple of years ago (who was senior to me) now can't find a job because he doesn't have a degree. Even though he's got 10+ years in his field.

 

[UMinati]

You don't need either of those degrees to have a very good career in software development. The same is true of basically any career outside of Law and Medicine. There is value in a college education, but it is grossly overhyped and the cost is undeniably overinflated. Treating it as some kind of golden ticket from the gods is ridiculously silly nowadays with the amount of free or cheap information online, and the plethora of new educational models appearing. For the vast majority of people better options exist than either selling yourself into debt for a degree, or putting your body on the line for one.

Sincerely,

College drop out with a very good career in software development.

 

[ThomasM]

I agree with what your saying. You made some excellent points except for the education part. The education is the most valuable thing a student athlete can get. It will last longer and take them further in life than anything else. The NFL is not the only way out and I don't like it when people project that it is. The NFL is a temporary job of < 4 years for most if they're lucky to get that far.

Jonathon Vilma is a prime example and role model for student athletes. He had a successful career in the NFL and has put his Finance degree from UM to good use in running his chain of restaurants.

Sincerely,

Former D-1 athlete
B.S. Computer Science
M.S. Computer Engineering

You know as well as I do that most of these young men get passed through so they can keep playing ball. See UNC. Why do you think so many NFL players are dead broke within years of retiring? They don't get a real education.

Now I get what you are saying, and I wish ALL football players took advantage of that free education. They don't, and the "schools" don't really care, because they care far more about the athlete than the student. I wish to God they all took the education part more seriously, and that the schools helped them, instead of just helping them pass.

 

[Number1CanesFan]

You know as well as I do that most of these young men get passed through so they can keep playing ball. See UNC. Why do you think so many NFL players are dead broke within years of retiring? They don't get a real education.

Now I get what you are saying, and I wish ALL football players took advantage of that free education. They don't, and the "schools" don't really care, because they care far more about the athlete than the student. I wish to God they all took the education part more seriously, and that the schools helped them, instead of just helping them pass.

I for one do. I am am proponent of education as the way out of poverty for everyone not just athletes.

I do believe UM cares about it's student athletes. They have a very high graduation rate among all athletes including football.

 

[ThomasM]

I for one do. I am am proponent of education as the way out of poverty for everyone not just athletes.

I do believe UM cares about it's student athletes. They have a very high graduation rate among all athletes including football.

UM is different from most other schools. You know as well as the rest of us what other schools do to pass athletes through just to keep them eligible. It's not right. They are there for an education, but most young men with busy lives will take the easy way if it is presented. Then, what do they have when their football days are over? A degree, but no idea what to do with it because they were not really educated.

I will always believe the student is more valuable than the athlete. These schools, however, care more about what the athlete can do for them.

 

[CaneInHeelCountry]

There’s another key thing that student athletes get out of a university—connections.

There will always be a booster or an alumni or an ex-player who will help a player get a job after college—provided that player actually works to get his degree.

 

[Number1CanesFan]

UM is different from most other schools. You know as well as the rest of us what other schools do to pass athletes through just to keep them eligible. It's not right. They are there for an education, but most young men with busy lives will take the easy way if it is presented. Then, what do they have when their football days are over? A degree, but no idea what to do with it because they were not really educated.

I will always believe the student is more valuable than the athlete. These schools, however, care more about what the athlete can do for them.

I do agree with you on that. I also believe that parents have to take a lot of blame. In the African American community, we've had a tendency to care more about how our children are successful on the playing field than in the classroom. The parents that understand and value of an education instill that in their kids.

I also feel the athlete has to take responsibility, but I believe this from all students. Athletes should have the same right to succeed or fail as every other student. Most of the time they have the support system (tutors) if they need it. When I was in college, the hang out bars were only 3-4 blocks from campus. When I was heading to the library, I saw plenty of students heading to the bars. I really thought I wasn't very smart because I was saying to myself, "****, I'm heading to the library. I'm struggling with my classes and these kids are able to hit the bar on a Thursday night." The next semester those kids weren't around because they flunked out. My hard work paid off as I was barely eligible my 1st 2 years having to repeat Calculus and Discrete Mathematics. It wasn't because of intellect or effort. I didn't know how to study. It took me 2 years to figure it out because math came easy to me in high school and I didn't study. Nobody was concerned about my grades or whether I would graduate. That was completely up to me. My last 2 years I had a 3.5 GPA.

Kids in college are adults. The school has their tuition money. It's up to the student to go class and matriculate towards a degree. Sink or Swim.

 

[Number1CanesFan]

There’s another key thing that student athletes get out of a university—connections.

There will always be a booster or an alumni or an ex-player who will help a player get a job after college—provided that player actually works to get his degree.

Connections are the way a lot of people find their jobs. Not just athletes.

 

[305_separatist]

Just stop it. People with college degrees earn nearly double of people without them. Further, we're talking about student athletes who are getting a free education. To some how try to devalue a $200k free education from UM (which I don't have) is asinine.

Lol. I make the same as my degree earning peers. In half a dozen software development jobs, do you know how many times I've been asked about my education? Literally 0. It's a complete non-factor once you have any job experience to look at instead. If degree holders really make twice the amount (love to see a citation), then I'd say that's pure correlation with nearly 0 causation. The best thing a college degree can empirically do for *most* careers is get your foot in the door at your first good opportunity. That's it.

And there's much more effecient ways to get your foot in the door and start learning for real on the job than being stuck in school listening to professors pontificating for 4 years.

The way some try to justify student athlete "comp" by the ridiculous, artificially inflated price tag of the education they recieve is completely asinine.

 

[duke4heisman]

Just stop it. People with college degrees earn nearly double of people without them. Further, we're talking about student athletes who are getting a free education. To some how try to devalue a $200k free education from UM (which I don't have) is asinine.

You chose a good field, unfortunately most of the athletes are pushed through a BS degree to satisfy their eligibility. Also, the poster is correct, I make a lot more money with a tech liscense than I can with my degree. I'm proud of my degree but I literally don't need it in my field

 

[Number1CanesFan]

You chose a good field, unfortunately most of the athletes are pushed through a BS degree to satisfy their eligibility. Also, the poster is correct, I make a lot more money with a tech liscense than I can with my degree. I'm proud of my degree but I literally don't need it in my field

My comment was not limited to technology. In fact, I didn't even bring it up. I posted my degrees, but said nothing about them until after the idiotic responses.

The statistical fact is that people with college degrees earn much more money than people that don't have them. People need to stop hijacking my posts. My original comments were about posts saying there was no value in a student athlete getting an education and basically that our football players are here to get to the NFL.

 

[MainLineCane]

Pointing to those who have achieved success without a degree is meaningless

Its not so much having a degree .....as having a marketable skill that leads to overall success.

Not having either is a serious cause for concern

 

[duke4heisman]

My comment was not limited to technology. In fact, I didn't even bring it up. I posted my degrees, but said nothing about them until after the idiotic responses.

The statistical fact is that people with college degrees earn much more money than people that don't have them. People need to stop hijacking my posts. My original comments were about posts saying there was no value in a student athlete getting an education and basically that our football players are here to get to the NFL.

Trust me, my father was a principal, mother was the head of reading in our county, my wife teaches pre-k, aunt teaches math, uncle teaches PE and my cousin is the Dean at the high school. Education was ingrained in me from birth! Lol, but a degree is not what it was years ago, how many college graduates struggle to find work (especially with so many degrees out there) while taking on insane student loan debt.
Personally, I firmly believe that tech school is the way to go and certainly the future. I make about 30k a year more than my mom, who has a master's in Reading and over 40 years experience and that's just one trade in high demand.
Again, I do not want to diminish anyone getting a degree but times have changed and it's going to be more and more prevalent.

 

[JD08]

The last hospital system I worked at fired a well liked manage because he lied about having a master's degree which was a requirement for the position.

A person with a degree will have more opportunities than one without, regardless of certifications.

 

[SPAMM]

GTFO, Now your insulting athletes and black ones in particular as we make up 60% of football and and 44% of basketball as though we are incapable of learning and obtaining a quality education. That's what your basically saying when you say, "Vilma is a rare breed."

Any athlete can achieve academically if they put as much or more time into it as they do with their particular sport. The problem is that people with your mentality don't care if these kids get an education as long as you're entertained by them winning games.

Vilma had his masers before he left Miami. Is it so hard to accept the fact that there are some truly intelligent minorities? Rather than insulting the OP, it is you that comes off as the clueless buffoon.