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Fawk_U Haters said:
I'll say it again if you don't understand it. For our recruiting base it's not a good fit. It doesn't matter aggressive or passive and just about all of the coaches schemes listed is 2 gap
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Wade Phillips runs a 3-4 that is a one gap scheme. The linemen have 2 gaps and get to shoot one with the linebackers cleaning up the other. The Viper role or whatever Manny and Baker call it in this current defense fits into a 3-4 just fine. For the shorter ends we have and the guys like Joyner who get buried on a depth chart with no potential to ever play it gives them a path to more playing time. Not every lineman recruit we take is a 6’5 250 pound pure defensive end. Phillips, Chantz, Williams, and even Rousseau could easily play a rush OLB role. Roche (a transfer) might not. All of the defensive tackles this program takes would fit it. For the linebackers it depends on the scheme. Huff, TAC, Frierson, and Brooks all fit the type of 3-4 Georgia used to run years ago. FSU and Florida are both running 3-4s and go after the same recruits and the same area as miami.

I’m not advocating a switch to the 3-4 but not every 3-4 is a 350 pound nose tackle with 2 320 pound ends eating blocks so 260 pound thumpers can hit the ball carrier.
 
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Patreek said:
Wade Phillips runs a 3-4 that is a one gap scheme. The linemen have 2 gaps and get to shoot one with the linebackers cleaning up the other. The Viper role or whatever Manny and Baker call it in this current defense fits into a 3-4 just fine. For the shorter ends we have and the guys like Joyner who get buried on a depth chart with no potential to ever play it gives them a path to more playing time. Not every lineman recruit we take is a 6’5 250 pound pure defensive end. Phillips, Chantz, Williams, and even Rousseau could easily play a rush OLB role. Roche (a transfer) might not. All of the defensive tackles this program takes would fit it. For the linebackers it depends on the scheme. Huff, TAC, Frierson, and Brooks all fit the type of 3-4 Georgia used to run years ago. FSU and Florida are both running 3-4s and go after the same recruits and the same area as miami.

I’m not advocating a switch to the 3-4 but not every 3-4 is a 350 pound nose tackle with 2 320 pound ends eating blocks so 260 pound thumpers can hit the ball carrier.
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I agree with what you said, but you lost me at using the example of uf and fsu defensive units as your comparison. Also what you described as Wade Phillips 3-4 is bascially what we do now. Our DL shoots a gap and our LBs take the other. Problem is our LBs are slow (speed and diagnosing) to get to the gap. they normally get cut off by an OL, are late to the gap, or hit the wrong gap. None of that is the fault of the current scheme is my point.

The scheme isn't holding us back. Not playing sound football with regards to keeping contain on a QB rush and a glaring lack of quality LBs is the problem IMO.

however i thin kyou have great points, but i wouldn't use UF or fsu as an example hahah.
 
Fawk_U Haters said:
I agree with what you said, but you lost me at using the example of uf and fsu defensive units as your comparison. Also what you described as Wade Phillips 3-4 is bascially what we do now. Our DL shoots a gap and our LBs take the other. Problem is our LBs are slow (speed and diagnosing) to get to the gap. they normally get cut off by an OL, are late to the gap, or hit the wrong gap. None of that is the fault of the current scheme is my point.

The scheme isn't holding us back. Not playing sound football with regards to keeping contain on a QB rush and a glaring lack of quality LBs is the problem IMO.

however i thin kyou have great points, but i wouldn't use UF or fsu as an example hahah.
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I agree UF and FSU suck. But we do lose recruiting battles to them. So today with our better defense and better scheme we lose out on recruits we want who go on to play in bad 3-4s. Moving to the 3-4 isn’t deterring recruits is my point.

I’m not proposing the 3-4 just saying the 3-4 that many teams run is so variable and focused on putting athletes on the field it can be whatever a coach wants it to be.
 
305407cane said:
I disagree with what you said about their linebackers. Those guys are freaks. They looked bad because they were put in bad positions by their coaches who didn’t adjust. Also credit to Mullen for exploiting it. They threw a million wheel routes and they worked. But those guys are good. Rice and dean are legit as ****
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For one game you’re absolutely right. But I look at overall body of work to judge.

Over the past five years, though, their defense and linebacker play is consensus top 5 in the country (coaching and recruiting). Schumann, all 30 years of him, is one main constant as a lb coach and co-dc (the last two years). He’s basically learned under Saban (though only as player personnel administrative guy) and then Smart and Lanning while annually competing with a top schedule. He was also Smarts first hire when he took over Georgia.

This isn’t a guy like Joe Brady who had a near non existent resume before LSU. He’s been a primary position coach, recruiter, and co-dc for one of the best defenses in college football the past 5 years.
 
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RemainMack said:
Some guys I like:

-Brad White, Kentucky DC. Coached at Navy and Wake Forest before being an NFL lb coach. Get rid of Patke and Baker and have him as dc/lb. hire a st coach and new cb coach.

-Glen Schumann, lb coach and co-dc at UGA. More like an assistant dc but has been coaching and learning under great defenses with Smart and Lanning. 30/31 great up and comer worthy of a full title and awesome recruiter, bagman or not.

-Travis Williams, lb coach and assistant dc at Auburn. Learning under Steele and another very good up and comer. Probably the least seasoned but having him promoted as co DC with Steele so that’s telling so early in his career.

-Zac Arnett, dc and lb coach Mississippi State. He is a bad fit with Leach and having minimal emphasis on defense. The guy would be a great fit here and was great as DC at San Diego State several years and a lb coach for longer. Another young and good up and comer.

-finally a guy you haven’t heard of is Chad Staggs, dc and lb coach at Coastal Carolina. Was great at Charleston Southern and Furman and this year they are having great numbers though the competition is the concern. But everywhere he has been he’s done a great job.
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One of the very few thoughtful posts in this entire thread.
 
TimeB0mb said:
And in 2011, Venables D at Oklahoma gave up 41 to unranked Texas Tech, 45 to no. 25 Baylor, and 44 to no. 3 OK State. Guess Dabo made a big mistake there. Or you can use your brain and realize when it's time to buy low. Stoops wanted a scapegoat and Oklahoma fans thought Venables high risk high reward defense was terrible. Fortunately Dabo is smarter than most fans.

Brown has consistently been one of the top DCs in CFB. Oh wow, he couldn't stop OSU or Bama. No on else can either. Venables was helpless against LSU. I suppose he should have been dumped after the game.

Browns stock is low right low but he has an exceptional track record. He wants out and Harbaugh needs a scapegoat. Brown is exactly the type of hire that turns Miami into an instant title contender. The dude runs a Miami 4-3, let him have access to Miami athletes. And Diaz doesn't have to lose another wink of sleep helping the DC gameplan for an opponent. He can focus on being a GM-type coach. Or if wants to stay involved he could emulate Saban, who still coaches DBs, and work with the LBs as that would solve the Patke issue as well.
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Brown plays two linebackers with a striker type player on the strongide like we do. He also runs alot of 3-3-5.
 
SinisterCane said:
It was said on this site that Manny went after Bo Pelini for DC before he had to settle for Blake, so Manny is willing to bring somebody with a different defensive philosophy. However this is based on CIS rumors
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Good thing we didn't get pelini. He's been terrible and I think the games passed him by since the last time he was a dc
 
At this point I don’t care who we get at DC.

I care more about the position coaches.

We definitely need LB coach and DB Coach. Honestly wouldn’t mind upgrading the DL Coach as well.

DL - Jess Simpson (Falcons) Charlie Partridge (Pitt) or Tracy Rocker (USCjr)

LB - Brian Jean May (mich), Peterson (uscjr), Niedermyer (tenn),

DB - Fran Brown, TRob, Derrick Ansley,
 
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You can't have it both ways in terms of "oh Manny Called the 2H plays on defense" and "Manny isn't firing Baker blah blah blah because our metrics are good"

You don't just keep someone around that is a liability. I'm inclined to believe option 1 took place, therefore Manny won't keep someone around who is continuously handicapping the offense by giving up early scores. You're brainwashed by Golden and Richt if you believe so.
 
Gi0logy said:
Yeah I wouldn’t be surprised if he got a MAC or Conf-USA level head coaching job. If not, I would absolutely look at Freeman.

But honestly Brad Lambert at Marshall has done some amazing things. HC at Charlotte for a while so this is not some unproven young coach. He would be my top choice and as good as it gets in my opinion.

I’d also be interested to learn more about UAB’s DC - David Reeves
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Marshall's D has been lights out this year. It's also a style that would translate very well to our talent, fast and aggressive. Lambert would be an A+ hire, but I doubt Manny would ever pull the trigger. Sadly I think he's tied to Baker the way Golden was with no-D.
 
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