My rant...

We're not getting picked apart intermediately because of talent!

That's what I keep saying that some of yall are not getting.


I get it.

I just don't completely agree.

Not difficult to see where you two have a disagreement:

WildCat believes there are inherent flaws in running zone schemes where the players don't matchup.
Able believes that disruptive DL will shorten the time necessary to keep those players covering grass as a cohesive unit. Able believes we'll get those disruptive DL.

IMO a disruptive DL isn't the end-all. Wake, UNC and FSU were all teams that got rid of the ball quickly most of the time. When the defense is stagnant and easy to read then it's best to fire away quickly. The reads are quick and easy.

First drive of the game, FSU receivers simply sat down in the zone and Winston fired it in there. The WR would catch it at 7 yards and roll ahead for another 3. We let people catch the ball and then we tackle them. How 'bout...uhh...CONTESTING THE THROWS.
 
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But what if we don't have that kind of DL for another two years? Are we gonna have to sit though players running free in the middle of our defense and the flats being completely ignored and uncovered?

So do you (Able) have faith in D'ohno to be more innovative in his philosophy to make up for deficiencies in talent or will he remain stubborn in his ways and we'll have to deal with this until we have the horses that everybody says we need?



But this isn't D'Onofrio's philosophy. This is Golden's philosophy. Will Golden change his philosophy? He might make tweaks, but I don't think we're suddenly going to become a cover 1 team or something like that.

And I think we ARE making up for talent deficiencies. The defense has come a long way. A healthy Deon Bush picks off that sideline pass that 30 misplayed. A healthy Bush tackles Wilder two yards behind the line of scrimmage instead of letting him run into the end zone.

I thought we did about as well as to be expected last night. FSU's offense is super-legit right now. If we had last year's defense this year, we would've been down 49-7 at the half.
 
We ain't gettin to much of **** with jethro and d'onofrio. We have 1 good dt prospect valentine and hurlie bust his *** to get him. Fsu brings in 3-4 4/5 star dt every year including 3 so far. Dt are lining up to play for uf,bama,lsu,auburn,fsu and AS BAD AS WEE NEED THEM WE STRUGGLE TO GET JUST 1. JETHRO COULDN'T COACH OR RECRUIT AT USC THAT'S WHY THEY FIRED HIM, AND D'ONOFRIO DOESN'T EVEN RECRUIT.


I'm not a big Franklin fan, but the defensive line is much improved this year. As for recruiting, we've got a really good shot at Moten and another JUCO.
 
We're not getting picked apart intermediately because of talent!

That's what I keep saying that some of yall are not getting.


I get it.

I just don't completely agree.

Not difficult to see where you two have a disagreement:

WildCat believes there are inherent flaws in running zone schemes where the players don't matchup.
Able believes that disruptive DL will shorten the time necessary to keep those players covering grass as a cohesive unit. Able believes we'll get those disruptive DL.

But what if we don't have that kind of DL for another two years? Are we gonna have to sit though players running free in the middle of our defense and the flats being completely ignored and uncovered?

So do you (Able) have faith in D'ohno to be more innovative in his philosophy to make up for deficiencies in talent or will he remain stubborn in his ways and we'll have to deal with this until we have the horses that everybody says we need?


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Ring of Dishonor - Tom Olivadotti


Tom Olivadotti




Induction Date: September 7, 2003

When the Miami Dolphins began the Ring of Honor in 1990, they knew the first person inducted would hold a unique place in Dolphins' history. It was important to honor someone who's contribution to the organization was very special. Of course the Dolphins chose Joe Robbie, the founding father of the franchise.

Today, we start a new chapter in Dolphins' history, as we unveil our first member in the Ring of Dishonor. Just like Joe Robbie, the first inductee into the Ring of Dishonor will need to be someone who's contribution exceeds all others. His impact on the franchise can't be measured in plays, games or even a season. We needed to find someone who's measurable ineptitude crippled the organization for years...

Introducing our first inductee to the Ring of Dishonor: Tom Olivadotti.

Olivadotti joined the Dolphins as the Defensive Coordinator in 1987. For the next nine years, the team was christened the "Olfans", because they had no "D". For 7 years of his 9 year tenure, Olivadotti led a defense that was ranked in the bottom half of the NFL. What makes this even more painful is the knowledge that these years coincided with Marino's prime. The Dolphins consistently put up big numbers. Unfortunately, so did every team they played. It's nauseating to think of how far the Dolphins might have been able to go with even an average defense.

Ironically, Olivadotti's best season statistically was also his last. Jimmy Johnson fired Olivadotti after a humiliating 37 - 22 defeat to the Buffalo Bills in the playoffs. More significant than the big points total, was the AFC record 341 yards that Buffalo gained on the ground. What made this a particularly unacceptable beating was the fact that Miami had lost to this same Bills team only 2 weeks earlier when the Bills totaled over 200 yards rushing. Olivadotti's game plan was not adjusted in the slightest.

An especially fitting tribute to Olivadotti was written by a jubilant Bills fan shortly after the 1995 playoff game:

".....we have to thank everyone's favorite defensive coordinator, Tom Olivadotti. Lets give it up for the bonehead that couldn't figure out why the Bills were running all over the Dolphins."

For nine long years of mediocrity, we are exuberant to induct Tom Olivadotti as our first member to the Ring of Dishonor.
 
But what if we don't have that kind of DL for another two years? Are we gonna have to sit though players running free in the middle of our defense and the flats being completely ignored and uncovered?

So do you (Able) have faith in D'ohno to be more innovative in his philosophy to make up for deficiencies in talent or will he remain stubborn in his ways and we'll have to deal with this until we have the horses that everybody says we need?



But this isn't D'Onofrio's philosophy. This is Golden's philosophy. Will Golden change his philosophy? He might make tweaks, but I don't think we're suddenly going to become a cover 1 team or something like that.

And I think we ARE making up for talent deficiencies. The defense has come a long way. A healthy Deon Bush picks off that sideline pass that 30 misplayed. A healthy Bush tackles Wilder two yards behind the line of scrimmage instead of letting him run into the end zone.

I thought we did about as well as to be expected last night. FSU's offense is super-legit right now. If we had last year's defense this year, we would've been down 49-7 at the half.

I'm not talking about the physical limitations of players like Highsmith and Cornelius.

I'm talking about players running through our defense unchecked. I'm talking about the flats not ever being accounted for. I'm talking about only bringing in McCord and AQM on third and long. I'm talking about using a LB to cover a slot receiver. I'm talking about treating 2nd and long as a passing down. I'm talking philosophical and schematic issues.

What happens if we're not able to bring in horses that can get after the QB when just rushing four? Will we adjust or will we continue to play this bend but don't break that's so easily exploited. I don't have faith in D to stop a balanced offense at this point and it's not because we've been playing with average players.
 
But what if we don't have that kind of DL for another two years? Are we gonna have to sit though players running free in the middle of our defense and the flats being completely ignored and uncovered?

So do you (Able) have faith in D'ohno to be more innovative in his philosophy to make up for deficiencies in talent or will he remain stubborn in his ways and we'll have to deal with this until we have the horses that everybody says we need?



But this isn't D'Onofrio's philosophy. This is Golden's philosophy. Will Golden change his philosophy? He might make tweaks, but I don't think we're suddenly going to become a cover 1 team or something like that.

And I think we ARE making up for talent deficiencies. The defense has come a long way. A healthy Deon Bush picks off that sideline pass that 30 misplayed. A healthy Bush tackles Wilder two yards behind the line of scrimmage instead of letting him run into the end zone.

I thought we did about as well as to be expected last night. FSU's offense is super-legit right now. If we had last year's defense this year, we would've been down 49-7 at the half.

I'm not talking about the physical limitations of players like Highsmith and Cornelius.

I'm talking about players running through our defense unchecked. I'm talking about the flats not ever being accounted for. I'm talking about only bringing in McCord and AQM on third and long. I'm talking about using a LB to cover a slot receiver. I'm talking about treating 2nd and long as a passing down. I'm talking philosophical and schematic issues.

What happens if we're not able to bring in horses that can get after the QB when just rushing four? Will we adjust or will we continue to play this bend but don't break that's so easily exploited. I don't have faith in D to stop a balanced offense at this point and it's not because we've been playing with average players.



I don't know, man.

I just don't care about the nitpick stuff like a LB covering a WR. Everybody does that.

The defense forced a lot of 3rd downs, and we didn't make plays to get off the field.

I've never really been a guy to complain about the defensive scheme. I didn't really have a problem with Shannon's "vanilla" scheme that everybody hated.

Just give me some beasts on defense that know where they're supposed to be.
 
I guess you're more forgiving of D than I am.

I'm not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point.
 
I guess you're more forgiving of D than I am.

I'm not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point.


My point is that regardless of scheme, people will complain.

Before it was too much man. Then too much zone. Now it's the TYPE of zone.

When's the last time the majority of the fan base liked the scheme?

Give me some werewolves and cyclopses and cyborgs running on diesel fuel, and I'm good.
 
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But what if we don't have that kind of DL for another two years? Are we gonna have to sit though players running free in the middle of our defense and the flats being completely ignored and uncovered?

So do you (Able) have faith in D'ohno to be more innovative in his philosophy to make up for deficiencies in talent or will he remain stubborn in his ways and we'll have to deal with this until we have the horses that everybody says we need?



But this isn't D'Onofrio's philosophy. This is Golden's philosophy. Will Golden change his philosophy? He might make tweaks, but I don't think we're suddenly going to become a cover 1 team or something like that.

And I think we ARE making up for talent deficiencies. The defense has come a long way. A healthy Deon Bush picks off that sideline pass that 30 misplayed. A healthy Bush tackles Wilder two yards behind the line of scrimmage instead of letting him run into the end zone.

I thought we did about as well as to be expected last night. FSU's offense is super-legit right now. If we had last year's defense this year, we would've been down 49-7 at the half.

I'm not talking about the physical limitations of players like Highsmith and Cornelius.

I'm talking about players running through our defense unchecked. I'm talking about the flats not ever being accounted for. I'm talking about only bringing in McCord and AQM on third and long. I'm talking about using a LB to cover a slot receiver. I'm talking about treating 2nd and long as a passing down. I'm talking philosophical and schematic issues.

What happens if we're not able to bring in horses that can get after the QB when just rushing four? Will we adjust or will we continue to play this bend but don't break that's so easily exploited. I don't have faith in D to stop a balanced offense at this point and it's not because we've been playing with average players.



I don't know, man.

I just don't care about the nitpick stuff like a LB covering a WR. Everybody does that.

The defense forced a lot of 3rd downs, and we didn't make plays to get off the field.

I've never really been a guy to complain about the defensive scheme. I didn't really have a problem with Shannon's "vanilla" scheme that everybody hated.

Just give me some beasts on defense that know where they're supposed to be.
That has been a reoccurring theme though regardless of talent level of the opposition. We couldn't get off the field against Wake Forest either. They were 8-16 against us last week, in their game against Syracuse they were shut out and went 4-19 on third downs. There is a talent issue for sure but I also feel we have coaching concerns as well.
 
We're not getting picked apart intermediately because of talent!

That's what I keep saying that some of yall are not getting.


I get it.

I just don't completely agree.

Not difficult to see where you two have a disagreement:

WildCat believes there are inherent flaws in running zone schemes where the players don't matchup.
Able believes that disruptive DL will shorten the time necessary to keep those players covering grass as a cohesive unit. Able believes we'll get those disruptive DL.



That's part of it.

Honestly, it's hard to discuss some of this stuff because I don't know the thought process of the coaches, the responsibilities on plays, the tendencies of other teams, who screwed up, etc...

I find it hard to believe Golden and D'Onofrio are unfamiliar with pattern recognition. I haven't scrutinized the defensive X's & O's that much, but I don't think we're exclusively spot-dropping. Maybe we only do it in certain coverages. Maybe we were pattern-reading, and the players couldn't handle it (i.e. abundant coverage busts). I don't know.

I'd be interested to hear Golden and D'Onofrio answer that question. Too bad SMD, Beast, or Manny will NEVER ask such a question. Maybe we can get Joe Rose to do it.

This.
 
But what if we don't have that kind of DL for another two years? Are we gonna have to sit though players running free in the middle of our defense and the flats being completely ignored and uncovered?

So do you (Able) have faith in D'ohno to be more innovative in his philosophy to make up for deficiencies in talent or will he remain stubborn in his ways and we'll have to deal with this until we have the horses that everybody says we need?



But this isn't D'Onofrio's philosophy. This is Golden's philosophy. Will Golden change his philosophy? He might make tweaks, but I don't think we're suddenly going to become a cover 1 team or something like that.

And I think we ARE making up for talent deficiencies. The defense has come a long way. A healthy Deon Bush picks off that sideline pass that 30 misplayed. A healthy Bush tackles Wilder two yards behind the line of scrimmage instead of letting him run into the end zone.

I thought we did about as well as to be expected last night. FSU's offense is super-legit right now. If we had last year's defense this year, we would've been down 49-7 at the half.

I'm not talking about the physical limitations of players like Highsmith and Cornelius.

I'm talking about players running through our defense unchecked. I'm talking about the flats not ever being accounted for. I'm talking about only bringing in McCord and AQM on third and long. I'm talking about using a LB to cover a slot receiver. I'm talking about treating 2nd and long as a passing down. I'm talking philosophical and schematic issues.

What happens if we're not able to bring in horses that can get after the QB when just rushing four? Will we adjust or will we continue to play this bend but don't break that's so easily exploited. I don't have faith in D to stop a balanced offense at this point and it's not because we've been playing with average players.
The lack of talent is a legit reason against very good/elite teams. Just can't keep up with them yet. But against Wake, or UNC how does the scheme still allow all of the yards that we give up? Our talent deficiencies shouldn't be as glaring or detrimental to the game if we are playing sub par teams and yet somehow those ****** teams run up and down on our defense as well. It doesn't make sense to me in all honesty. I'm not giving up on coach D but something is wrong with this scheme IMO.
 
Guys, we're better than this, we saw the most inept coach in college football win a broyles award because of TALENT...Blaming D'onofrio is stupid already, again you need as many fingers as a kangaroo to count how many players our defensive coaches have had here that were drafted in the first three rounds... its not rocket science.. and please spare the Bud Foster rhetoric, hes had way more talent than us the last 8 years
 
very very disappointed in coach D, been impressed with him during the year but this game has put that doubt about him back in my mind

i have never been a big fan of zone defense, because if you dont have a good pass rush you will be gashed with receivers looking for the holes in the zone

we had no pass rush at all during the game, and most of our LBs are slow when they blitz and they seem to not be able to fend off blocks

to be honest i really dont see this defense changing as long as golden is here, this is the scheme he wants, i hope that he can see that this scheme doesnt work well with the players he is getting he will change it and get a better coordinator (which i can see him doing at some point)

as far as the offense, morris played good in the first half and just stunk it up in the second, dont know if its the ankle or not but he was just shaky in pocket at times even when it was well blocked

the offensive play calling was good to me, beside those stupid play action throws on those 3rd and long plays

we threw only 24 times in the game, i dont know about you guys but in a big game like that its a little low IMO, coley had no faith in morris

the O-line was good but FSU was stacking the box all game long and they blitzed alot, they run a 3-3-4, they blitzed the corners a lot which confused the o-line, the only person on the line that sucked was mcdermott got torched all game (probably because of his injuries in the off season)

overall disappointed in the D and morris

oh and we please stop playing highsmith and cornelious, they each got torched on big plays at least three times
 
We need Bill Young as our DC again with using our speed and Petri as our d-line coach...guys can coach (especially Petri)
 
But what if we don't have that kind of DL for another two years? Are we gonna have to sit though players running free in the middle of our defense and the flats being completely ignored and uncovered?

So do you (Able) have faith in D'ohno to be more innovative in his philosophy to make up for deficiencies in talent or will he remain stubborn in his ways and we'll have to deal with this until we have the horses that everybody says we need?



But this isn't D'Onofrio's philosophy. This is Golden's philosophy. Will Golden change his philosophy? He might make tweaks, but I don't think we're suddenly going to become a cover 1 team or something like that.

And I think we ARE making up for talent deficiencies. The defense has come a long way. A healthy Deon Bush picks off that sideline pass that 30 misplayed. A healthy Bush tackles Wilder two yards behind the line of scrimmage instead of letting him run into the end zone.

I thought we did about as well as to be expected last night. FSU's offense is super-legit right now. If we had last year's defense this year, we would've been down 49-7 at the half.

I'm not talking about the physical limitations of players like Highsmith and Cornelius.

I'm talking about players running through our defense unchecked. I'm talking about the flats not ever being accounted for. I'm talking about only bringing in McCord and AQM on third and long. I'm talking about using a LB to cover a slot receiver. I'm talking about treating 2nd and long as a passing down. I'm talking philosophical and schematic issues.

What happens if we're not able to bring in horses that can get after the QB when just rushing four? Will we adjust or will we continue to play this bend but don't break that's so easily exploited. I don't have faith in D to stop a balanced offense at this point and it's not because we've been playing with average players.



I don't know, man.

I just don't care about the nitpick stuff like a LB covering a WR. Everybody does that.

The defense forced a lot of 3rd downs, and we didn't make plays to get off the field.

I've never really been a guy to complain about the defensive scheme. I didn't really have a problem with Shannon's "vanilla" scheme that everybody hated.

Just give me some beasts on defense that know where they're supposed to be.
That has been a reoccurring theme though regardless of talent level of the opposition. We couldn't get off the field against Wake Forest either. They were 8-16 against us last week, in their game against Syracuse they were shut out and went 4-19 on third downs. There is a talent issue for sure but I also feel we have coaching concerns as well.

This is the stake in the heart of the its the talent excuse.

Why is it that teams with lesser talent are more effective at defense against the same competition.
 
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But this isn't D'Onofrio's philosophy. This is Golden's philosophy. Will Golden change his philosophy? He might make tweaks, but I don't think we're suddenly going to become a cover 1 team or something like that.

And I think we ARE making up for talent deficiencies. The defense has come a long way. A healthy Deon Bush picks off that sideline pass that 30 misplayed. A healthy Bush tackles Wilder two yards behind the line of scrimmage instead of letting him run into the end zone.

I thought we did about as well as to be expected last night. FSU's offense is super-legit right now. If we had last year's defense this year, we would've been down 49-7 at the half.

I'm not talking about the physical limitations of players like Highsmith and Cornelius.

I'm talking about players running through our defense unchecked. I'm talking about the flats not ever being accounted for. I'm talking about only bringing in McCord and AQM on third and long. I'm talking about using a LB to cover a slot receiver. I'm talking about treating 2nd and long as a passing down. I'm talking philosophical and schematic issues.

What happens if we're not able to bring in horses that can get after the QB when just rushing four? Will we adjust or will we continue to play this bend but don't break that's so easily exploited. I don't have faith in D to stop a balanced offense at this point and it's not because we've been playing with average players.



I don't know, man.

I just don't care about the nitpick stuff like a LB covering a WR. Everybody does that.

The defense forced a lot of 3rd downs, and we didn't make plays to get off the field.

I've never really been a guy to complain about the defensive scheme. I didn't really have a problem with Shannon's "vanilla" scheme that everybody hated.

Just give me some beasts on defense that know where they're supposed to be.
That has been a reoccurring theme though regardless of talent level of the opposition. We couldn't get off the field against Wake Forest either. They were 8-16 against us last week, in their game against Syracuse they were shut out and went 4-19 on third downs. There is a talent issue for sure but I also feel we have coaching concerns as well.

This is the stake in the heart of the its the talent excuse.

Why is it that teams with lesser talent are more effective at defense against the same competition.


Wake Forest and UM have similar draft results in recent history with Wake having more recent first rounders.. and their upperclassmen right now are probably better than ours
 
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I'm not talking about the physical limitations of players like Highsmith and Cornelius.

I'm talking about players running through our defense unchecked. I'm talking about the flats not ever being accounted for. I'm talking about only bringing in McCord and AQM on third and long. I'm talking about using a LB to cover a slot receiver. I'm talking about treating 2nd and long as a passing down. I'm talking philosophical and schematic issues.

What happens if we're not able to bring in horses that can get after the QB when just rushing four? Will we adjust or will we continue to play this bend but don't break that's so easily exploited. I don't have faith in D to stop a balanced offense at this point and it's not because we've been playing with average players.



I don't know, man.

I just don't care about the nitpick stuff like a LB covering a WR. Everybody does that.

The defense forced a lot of 3rd downs, and we didn't make plays to get off the field.

I've never really been a guy to complain about the defensive scheme. I didn't really have a problem with Shannon's "vanilla" scheme that everybody hated.

Just give me some beasts on defense that know where they're supposed to be.
That has been a reoccurring theme though regardless of talent level of the opposition. We couldn't get off the field against Wake Forest either. They were 8-16 against us last week, in their game against Syracuse they were shut out and went 4-19 on third downs. There is a talent issue for sure but I also feel we have coaching concerns as well.

This is the stake in the heart of the its the talent excuse.

Why is it that teams with lesser talent are more effective at defense against the same competition.


Wake Forest and UM have similar draft results in recent history with Wake having more recent first rounders.. and their upperclassmen right now are probably better than ours

Yet our recruiting classes were consensus far better.

What developing talent, that's now NOT a responsibility of the coaching staff?
 
I don't know, man.

I just don't care about the nitpick stuff like a LB covering a WR. Everybody does that.

The defense forced a lot of 3rd downs, and we didn't make plays to get off the field.

I've never really been a guy to complain about the defensive scheme. I didn't really have a problem with Shannon's "vanilla" scheme that everybody hated.

Just give me some beasts on defense that know where they're supposed to be.
That has been a reoccurring theme though regardless of talent level of the opposition. We couldn't get off the field against Wake Forest either. They were 8-16 against us last week, in their game against Syracuse they were shut out and went 4-19 on third downs. There is a talent issue for sure but I also feel we have coaching concerns as well.

This is the stake in the heart of the its the talent excuse.

Why is it that teams with lesser talent are more effective at defense against the same competition.


Wake Forest and UM have similar draft results in recent history with Wake having more recent first rounders.. and their upperclassmen right now are probably better than ours

Yet our recruiting classes were consensus far better.

What developing talent, that's now NOT a responsibility of the coaching staff?


These are issues of the previous staff, our upperclassmen are classes of 09-10, which both blew up like hiroshima, and our current staff was able to difribillate a couple of corpses into some productivity
 
But what if we don't have that kind of DL for another two years? Are we gonna have to sit though players running free in the middle of our defense and the flats being completely ignored and uncovered?

So do you (Able) have faith in D'ohno to be more innovative in his philosophy to make up for deficiencies in talent or will he remain stubborn in his ways and we'll have to deal with this until we have the horses that everybody says we need?



But this isn't D'Onofrio's philosophy. This is Golden's philosophy. Will Golden change his philosophy? He might make tweaks, but I don't think we're suddenly going to become a cover 1 team or something like that.

And I think we ARE making up for talent deficiencies. The defense has come a long way. A healthy Deon Bush picks off that sideline pass that 30 misplayed. A healthy Bush tackles Wilder two yards behind the line of scrimmage instead of letting him run into the end zone.

I thought we did about as well as to be expected last night. FSU's offense is super-legit right now. If we had last year's defense this year, we would've been down 49-7 at the half.

I'm not talking about the physical limitations of players like Highsmith and Cornelius.

I'm talking about players running through our defense unchecked. I'm talking about the flats not ever being accounted for. I'm talking about only bringing in McCord and AQM on third and long. I'm talking about using a LB to cover a slot receiver. I'm talking about treating 2nd and long as a passing down. I'm talking philosophical and schematic issues.

What happens if we're not able to bring in horses that can get after the QB when just rushing four? Will we adjust or will we continue to play this bend but don't break that's so easily exploited. I don't have faith in D to stop a balanced offense at this point and it's not because we've been playing with average players.



I don't know, man.

I just don't care about the nitpick stuff like a LB covering a WR. Everybody does that.

The defense forced a lot of 3rd downs, and we didn't make plays to get off the field.

I've never really been a guy to complain about the defensive scheme. I didn't really have a problem with Shannon's "vanilla" scheme that everybody hated.

Just give me some beasts on defense that know where they're supposed to be.
That has been a reoccurring theme though regardless of talent level of the opposition. We couldn't get off the field against Wake Forest either. They were 8-16 against us last week, in their game against Syracuse they were shut out and went 4-19 on third downs. There is a talent issue for sure but I also feel we have coaching concerns as well.

Again, do you guys actually pay attention to the games? Campanaro broke his collarbone in the first quarter against Syracuse and is out for the season. He had caught something like 75% of their passes this season. Their second leading receiver got hurt late in the game against us, and didn't play against SU. If we didn't have to face either of those guys, they wouldn't have converted 8 of 16 third downs. I doubt they convert 3.
 
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