My Post Game Recap - Va Tech

On 4th & 2 a fake FG is a dumb call, why? Because you have D'Eriq King at QB.

- You go for it & run a Zone Read with a pitch option
- You coulda ran a TE quick out with Brevin or run the same PA TE slip out we ran to get a first down in the red zone with Mallory on the first TD drive.
- Run a quick slant with Pope, or Harley, or even Payton
- Go 4-wide & slip Knighton out of the backfield for a quick HB out of the flats play
- Empty backfield 5-wide & run Harley on quick curl or hook route
- Could've even handed if off to Chaney on a HB Power
- Bubble Screen to Wiggins or Pope

There's several more options, but running a fake FG with a Kicker who's not fast, not used to running & didn't have any Blockers to far side of the hashes was just not a high probability play.

Again, we're talking about 4th & 2, we've had several 4th down plays earlier in the year where King & company converted it, you don't take the ball out of King's hands on a 4th & short & entrust to a Kicker who literally never runs that play lol.

Maybe it was the angle but it looked to me that if he runs forward instead of sideways, he gets the first down.

I would like to know if they saw something in film that led them to believe a fake there was likely to work. I remember Richt got crushed for an onside kick call against GT in 2017. But when you watched it closely, you saw exactly why he called it, GT had a big empty space on that side. Unfortunately the execution was awful and Berrios just watched the ball instead of jumping on it and the GT guy picked it up and ran it in for a TD. I can understand gambling there, but we everything that could go wrong did go wrong. It looked to me like it would have worked if Borreagles hadn't gone so wide. On the flip side, he's not a RB so you can't count on a kicker making a jump cut or reading the blocker in that situation. IMO that's a spot you can go five wide to stretch the defense and let King run for the first.
 
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If somebody told me Scaife was on the stake yesterday I wouldnt be the least bit surprised. It was like Matt Pipho took his body over
 
I didn't see manny with a headset or a playsheet in the first half whatsoever, I believe he started calling plays mid way through the 3rd quarter.
 
Good win for team morale and to continue the belief that they can win no matter what the circumstances are.

Think about it, we have just won back-to-back road games with grit and determination.
Cannot remember the last time we won a couple street fights like that on the road.

And to do it considering all the injuries and covid crap makes it feel even more special to me.

If you told me back in June we would be 7-1 and beat the hated Hokies on the road I would have said oh **** yes.
Let's keep rolling. I do not care how we win, just win.
 
Go and rewatch the game. We left points and plays out there like crazy. King still has to a better job of seeing the field

Wiggins dropped slant

3rd and 6 (2nd quarter) we are on the 17 yard line redzone territory and King takes a sack. We had 3 wide receivers and he misses Knighton on a easy dump down that could have resulted in a touchdown.

3rd and 10 (3rd quarter 9:18 on the clock) King has Mallory across the middle or he could have thrown a quick swing pass to the rb both would have lead to a 1st down

1st and 10 (3rd quarter 4:30 on the clock) King again has Mallory in the seam.. Throw the ball and instead he takes an unnecessary sack.

2nd and 10 (4th quarter 5:42 on the clock) King keeps the ball instead of handing it off the Knighton. Would easily have gained 5-10 yards. Results in a sack. Scaife did a poor job of holding has block on #96. He needs like 100 hours of film study


3rd and 5 (4th quarter 2:00 minutes) Lashlee has King run a qb sneak around the edge. I almost wanted to fight Lashlee after I saw the play. Like seriously we could have run a crosser, or RPO and gotten the 1st down and essentially ended the game.
 
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On 4th & 2 a fake FG is a dumb call, why? Because you have D'Eriq King at QB.

- You go for it & run a Zone Read with a pitch option
- You coulda ran a TE quick out with Brevin or run the same PA TE slip out we ran to get a first down in the red zone with Mallory on the first TD drive.
- Run a quick slant with Pope, or Harley, or even Payton
- Go 4-wide & slip Knighton out of the backfield for a quick HB out of the flats play
- Empty backfield 5-wide & run Harley on quick curl or hook route
- Could've even handed if off to Chaney on a HB Power
- Bubble Screen to Wiggins or Pope

There's several more options, but running a fake FG with a Kicker who's not fast, not used to running & didn't have any Blockers to far side of the hashes was just not a high probability play.

Again, we're talking about 4th & 2, we've had several 4th down plays earlier in the year where King & company converted it, you don't take the ball out of King's hands on a 4th & short & entrust to a Kicker who literally never runs that play lol.
****, they should’ve had Hedley tote the run if that’s what they wanted to run lol at least he’s got that rugby experience
 
Coach Cooney was one of the main ones helping Diaz out today with charting & personnel.

I rarely post, but wade through the crap on this site for great content like this OP. Just wanted to say thanks for pulling together these great recaps so quickly.

Watching this game, it felt like Diaz was calling plays. Great to come here and find some confirmation. Lots of people calling for Baker’s head, if Diaz is taking over play calling, then he has already fired him. Just not going to rock the boat during the season.

Diaz has taken lots of lumps as a green HC, but if he continues to improve I can live with it. Trajectory is important, especially on the trail...
 
I'm starting to believe that under Diaz we will always be a chirpy team that gets penalties . I think he encourages the talk. Dude's first two years coaching as a GA were under Bowden and we know FSU was always one of the most penalized teams.

With that said, these guys drive me absolutely crazy, but I'll take 7-1 all day.

Great writeup @Liberty City El . I look forward to it each week.
 
Go and rewatch the game. We left points and plays out there like crazy. King still has to a better job of seeing the field

Wiggins dropped slant

3rd and 6 (2nd quarter) we are on the 17 yard line redzone territory and King takes a sack. We had 3 wide receivers and he misses Knighton on a easy dump down that could have resulted in a touchdown.

3rd and 10 (3rd quarter 9:18 on the clock) King has Mallory across the middle or he could have thrown a quick swing pass to the rb both would have lead to a 1st down

1st and 10 (3rd quarter 4:30 on the clock) King again has Mallory in the seam.. Throw the ball and instead he takes an unnecessary sack.

2nd and 10 (4th quarter 5:42 on the clock) King keeps the ball instead of handing it off the Knighton. Would easily have gained 5-10 yards. Results in a sack. Scaife did a poor job of holding has block on #96. He needs like 100 hours of film study


3rd and 5 (4th quarter 2:00 minutes) Lashlee has King run a qb sneak around the edge. I almost wanted to fight Lashlee after I saw the play. Like seriously we could have run a crosser, or RPO and gotten the 1st down and essentially ended the game.
Good post. I don't want to disparage King because of the insane difference he is for us in comparison to what we've had. I think he would note himself how he's held the ball too long on a handful of occasions. A few of those sacks belong to him.

If I'm King or Lashlee, I practice running and throwing crossers every day for the remainder of the season. I don't know what's going on, but we leave them out of our calls too often and, when we do run/throw them, King sails them.
 
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I'm starting to believe that under Diaz we will always be a chirpy team that gets penalties . I think he encourages the talk. Dude's first two years coaching as a GA were under Bowden and we know FSU was always one of the most penalized teams.

With that said, these guys drive me absolutely crazy, but I'll take 7-1 all day.

Great writeup @Liberty City El . I look forward to it each week.
The Frierson celebration during the final 3 plays of the game, while VT could still realistically chuck a ball to the 35 and kick a FG, almost flipped me out. The next play, I forget which DB missed an open field tackle. Game ends and Diaz runs around happy. I get it. It's fun. But his players are modeling a lot of his staff's composure. Perhaps he'll improve it as he continues to learn as a HC.
 
Great recap, LCE!

I know the OL was bad but to my amateur eyes it was a tale of two scenarios. They were serviceable to decent on first down and when it was 2nd or 3rd and short (low standard given our recent OL play). However, on obvious passing downs they were terrible. I cringed every time it was third and long. As others mentioned, Scaife played poorly and is receiving the bulk of the criticism but the other starters made their share of mistakes too.
 
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Getting Jakai Clark back should help some.

When Campbell gets healthy I would even give him reps at Guard too, but Scaife needs to sit for a game, he's been terrible this season.
And Clark not much better. Agree on Campbell and really holding out hope we start to see Rivers. I know you never want to play a true freshman O-Lineman ideally, but if he's really a future star with tackle potential, I don't think it's asking too much for him to work his way into some G reps over the course of the season. I was disappointed to see him on the inactive list this week b/c I had a hunch we were going to see him get some meaningful snaps this week.
 
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Did Manny tell Lashlee to play ultra conservative the last 2 series or was that all Lashlee?
Lashlee isn’t conservative by nature and hasn’t been anywhere else. I hope that’s a good enough answer for you
 
If Manny can nut up and help his friend Baker move on he can call the defense next year and hire an actual linebacker coach or a recruiting monster to his defensive staff. Please god let that happen.
I'd prefer to hire a true DC but **** yes I'd take this as option #2.
 
The Frierson celebration during the final 3 plays of the game, while VT could still realistically chuck a ball to the 35 and kick a FG, almost flipped me out. The next play, I forget which DB missed an open field tackle. Game ends and Diaz runs around happy. I get it. It's fun. But his players are modeling a lot of his staff's composure. Perhaps he'll improve it as he continues to learn as a HC.

I was on the road so I was watching the game off and on. I lost it at that display by Frierson. WTF?!!!!
 
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And Clark not much better. Agree on Campbell and really holding out hope we start to see Rivers. I know you never want to play a true freshman O-Lineman ideally, but if he's really a future star with tackle potential, I don't think it's asking too much for him to work his way into some G reps over the course of the season. I was disappointed to see him on the inactive list this week b/c I had a hunch we were going to see him get some meaningful snaps this week.

Honestly I think with the young guys starting them at guard is a good way to go. Not that he has all the answers, but I've noticed Saban does that at Bama. Bigtime tackle prospects play early at guard and then eventually settle in at tackle.
 
King needs to take advantage of being able to come back and play one more year. Pull a Russell Wilson and work on his craft and get drafted at 25 years old
 
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Offense:

D'Eriq King - 24/38 255yds 1TD 63%cmp & 18att 15yds & 1TD rushing
Cam'ron Harris - 14att 63yds 1TD
Dee Wiggins - 8rec 106yds
Mike Harley - 6rec 51yds
Mark Pope - 4rec 50yds 1TD
Jaylan Knighton - 7att 27yds
Don Chaney Jr - 8att 25yds
Brevin Jordan - 2rec 22yds
Will Mallory - 2rec 21yds

Gained 386yds total (255 passing & 131 rushing), off 86 plays, at 4.5 yards per play, 26 first downs, 6/17 on 3rd down & 32:36 in time of possession.

First drive was scripted well & setup perfect for King to go for it on 4th down, Idk who's decision it was to run a fake FG with Borregales but it was a dumb one, especially to the opposite side of the hashes where he literally had no blockers. On 4th down & short put the ball in Kings hands. There's a ton of options you can run in that scenario, Fake FG is probably dead last on the chart.

OL was horrid.

Scaife played absolutely awful, he got beat routinely on inside moves & gave Va Tech's interior rushers a fast track lane straight to the QB. Unfortunately, Jakai Clark, Cleveland Reed & Jalen Rivers were all out for the game, so basically we were stuck with having to play Scaife no matter what with no replacement backup because Traore had to start in place of Clark. We didn't even have the option of playing John Campbell at Guard.

Wiggins played his best game of the year, yeah he did have a bad hands drop earlier in the game & he still plays with no physicality, he cannot separate at the top of his routes, but his best route is the Deep out towards the sideline & the Bubble screen. He's still inconsistent with second level routes down the field but the last 2 games he's had 15 catches for 183yds, so just keep working & getting better.

Pope has found his comfort zone, he hasn't had the drops issues he had earlier in the year & has now become a legitimate playmaker. He's come into his own as the Flanker & has shown up more & more as a WR that can be trusted to move the chains in space & win his matchup.



The WR group overall is beginning to gel, with the loss of Spring reps it was clear in the first half of the season they were not on the same page with King, but as they've continued to gain confidence & build continuity they've become a productive trio of Harley, Pope & Wiggins. Obviously, still tons of room to grow & still need more consistency, but they're headed in the right direction down the last stretch of the season, the WR's are trending up.

The run game is still an uphill battle, much like the Pitt game, we managed to rush for over 130yds as a team but averaged 2.7 yards per carry, obviously the sacks bring the average down quite a bit, but even without them it's still Death by a thousand paper cuts. Our RB's haven't had a 100yd rusher since Louisville, but Harris was solid on a couple runs & Chaney/Knighton are always good for some tough runs on key drives every game. Gotta keep working to improve the run game, but our Interior OL is the source of the problem there.

Terrific play calls on the drive for the go ahead TD off the RPO Slant. We kept them off balance with some tough runs from Chaney & quick passes to Wiggins, Harley & culminating with a TD to Pope.

On the first 2pt conversion try, if King actually just throws it to Harley peeling off on Flag route he would've caught it easy, I don't get throwing it to Zion Nelson in that situation. On the 2nd 2pt try, it wasn't a bad play call, just probably should've run it with Knighton instead of Chaney. But otherwise, I didn't have issue with Lashlee's play calling, especially considering how bad the OL was today, he did a great job going tempo when necessary & orchestrated multiple methodical drives for TD's. He identified Va Tech's inability to keep with the RPO plays & utilized their soft zones against them hitting with Bubble screens frequently to give us manageable short yardage downs. The only time we would get behind the sticks was primarily in the 3rd quarter when the OL was hemorrhaging & couldn't stop Hewitt. Lash has been a Godsend of this team as an OC, with Enox this team wouldn't score 1/16th the amount of points we do nor get anywhere near the offensive output we gain every game. By far the best OC we've had since Chudzinski.

King carries this team on his back, he's literally our best player by a country mile & without him we would be a below .500 team. He's been absolutely dialed in & elevated his play since the loss to Clemson, he's the unquestioned leader of this team & is by far the best QB we've had in decades. All hail the King! 👑




Defense:

Gilbert Frierson - 8tcks 2TFL's 2 sacks
Jaelan Phillips - 8tcks 4.5TFL's & 2 sacks
Sam Brooks - 7tcks 1TFL & 1 sack
Gurvan Hall - 7tcks 0.5TFL's
Amari Carter - 7tcks
Jon Ford - 6tcks
Te'Cory Couch - 5tcks 3TFL's 1 sack 1INT & 1PBU
DJ Ivey - 5tcks
Nesta Silvera - 4tcks 1TFL 2 hurries
Quincy Roche - 4tcks 1TFL
Bradley Jennings Jr - 4tcks 0.5TFL & 1PBU

Gave up 362 total yards on Defense, but had 11TFL's, 6 sacks & 1 turnover.

Defense did a horrible job on the 53yd run by Hooker, the LB's got sealed off in the alley & Bolden got completely sucked into the hole over pursuing, took a bad angle & couldn't recover.

Bubba Bolden with a boneheaded penalty after Phillips gets a huge sack & gives them a fresh set of downs instead of a potential 2nd/3rd & long. Once again the undisciplined nature of this team shoots us in the foot any time we start to get positive plays going for the Defense.

Jaelan Phillips played his best game since FSU, he gave Va Tech's OT's fits & did a great job wrapping up on Hooker & getting him down, he came up with 3 sacks on crucial downs & helped changed the complexion of the game in the 2nd half.

Nesta Silvera played a terrific game as well, he was disruptive all game long, he was routinely held by VA Tech's OG's but still was able to make a big impact taking Hooker off his mark in the 2nd half.

Gilbert Frierson played great as well, his football IQ is off the charts, he made a great read on the key sack he got late & has developed into the quintessential Striker. He's good in coverage & great against the run, he's been the most imrooved player of the year on the Defense.

That was a great pick by Couch, he played great all game, he was active in the backfield getting home on his Blitzes & he had a great day tackling, he has emerged as clearly the best DB in our secondary, props to @ajone228 for calling it. Couch & Phillips were the co-MVP's of the game on Defense.



The LB's are still just not very good, Brooks played well IMO, Jennings made the best play he's made all year with a dropped INT, but the LB group needs a serious infusion of talent. Although I will say, they looked much better without McCloud.

This Defense played bad in the first half per usual, but was able to make 2nd half adjustments.

After giving up the TD to start the 3rd quarter, the Defense hunkered down & played good ball getting off the field. After the TD, on 6 possessions Va Tech went, FG, Punt, Punt, INT, Punt & turnover on downs. Miami Boa constricted VTech in the 4th quarter & held them to 0 scores.

Diaz called this game today & you can tell the glaring difference between a Diaz called & a Baker abomination called, 2nd half adjustments has been Diaz's forte since he's been at Miami & showed today. At season's end he will do himself a huge service by replacing Baker & finding a competent DC that he doesn't have to babysit & micromanage. This game just proved how worthless Baker really is.

Overall, another tough gritty nail biter win, not pretty & pristine like we'd all like but good teams win ugly & winning is the name of the game. This team is of course flawed & still has depth issues & needs a good 2 recruiting classes with an infusion of talent at all levels before it should be looked at as a true contender, however, what matters above all is stack W's & parlaying that into success on the recruiting trail. We didn't play perfect by any stretch of the imagination but we did what we had to do in order to win & I'll take it.

We're still an overl penalized team, with 8 penalties for 77 yards, but at this point, that's who this team is, just an undisciplined laundry magnet for these horrendous ACC refs. At best, as long as we can keep our penalties under 10 for less than a 100yds we should be good lol. (All jokes aside, ACC officiating crews are highly litigious, but I honestly believe they are told to be extra flag happy against us because we're an overly chirpy team that essentially begs for them to fck with us).

Next week vs GTech is revenge time & we should win that game more comfortably than we have these last 2 weeks, either way just keep trekking ahead & finding ways to win, we got 2 more potential shootouts left with Wake & UNC, 10-1 is a very real possibility this season.

Go Canes!.


great stuff as usual, LCE.

as it relates to manny, credit where credit is due.

i was told Diaz completely took over the headset in the 4th quarter of the NCSt game, and you saw the results. We held them to about 6 net yards the whole quarter. he took over the headset for most of this one, particularly in the 2nd half, and as you noted, our defense both adjusted and performed. manny knows what he is doing as a DC, i think we can all agree on that.

the issue is not what kind of DC he wants to be, that's obvious. the bigger question is what kind of HC he wants to be. there is precedent for college coaches being their own OC's and sometimes being good at it. Spurrier was a great example. In today's game, Lane Kiffin is his own OC. On defense, it's less common. Pete Carroll was one when he was at USC. Saban is very hands on, and works a lot with the DB's, but his DC mostly is a true DC.

But the point is, does Manny want to be a JJ/Howard/Saban/Sweeney type HC, or does he want to be something else that means he's more involved with the day to day of running the defense. In my opinion, the program will be best served if he figure out how to be the former as opposed to the latter.
 
Go and rewatch the game. We left points and plays out there like crazy. King still has to a better job of seeing the field

Wiggins dropped slant

3rd and 6 (2nd quarter) we are on the 17 yard line redzone territory and King takes a sack. We had 3 wide receivers and he misses Knighton on a easy dump down that could have resulted in a touchdown.

3rd and 10 (3rd quarter 9:18 on the clock) King has Mallory across the middle or he could have thrown a quick swing pass to the rb both would have lead to a 1st down

1st and 10 (3rd quarter 4:30 on the clock) King again has Mallory in the seam.. Throw the ball and instead he takes an unnecessary sack.

2nd and 10 (4th quarter 5:42 on the clock) King keeps the ball instead of handing it off the Knighton. Would easily have gained 5-10 yards. Results in a sack. Scaife did a poor job of holding has block on #96. He needs like 100 hours of film study


3rd and 5 (4th quarter 2:00 minutes) Lashlee has King run a qb sneak around the edge. I almost wanted to fight Lashlee after I saw the play. Like seriously we could have run a crosser, or RPO and gotten the 1st down and essentially ended the game.

I have to rewatch some of these sacks you reference..but if memory serves me right, he got swallowed up so quick on these, there was little he could do except tuck it and not create a turnover.

Did you see how quickly that pocket kept collapsing around him, he could never step up.
 
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