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01Canes said:
Why would anyone be OK with keeping Coley?
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I'm OK with keeping Coley with the right head coach.

His one skill (identifying and signing great quarterbacks) is a major one. It can be the difference between good teams and championship teams. I also think he would be a better coordinator without Golden trying to protect D'Onofrio's defense.

Everybody loves Jedd Fisch because they never saw him coaching Gray Crow and Preston Dewey. And as great as Butch was at identifying talent, he left behind a complete mess at the quarterback position. We cannot discount Coley's skill in that area.
 
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DMoney said:
01Canes said:
Why would anyone be OK with keeping Coley?
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I'm OK with keeping Coley with the right head coach.

His one skill (identifying and signing great quarterbacks) is a major one. It can be the difference between good teams and championship teams. I also think he would be a better coordinator without Golden trying to protect D'Onofrio's defense.

Everybody loves Jedd Fisch because they never saw him coaching Gray Crow and Preston Dewey. And as great as Butch was at identifying quarterbacks, he left behind a complete mess at that position. We cannot discount Coley's skill in that area.
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Have you watched this season's play calling? We never pass out of pistol. That's why whenever we go pistol the opposing team puts 8 in the box and we no longer have a running game.

Unless golden was dictating this rediculous idea that we should let every team know when we go pistol it's run then Coley has to go.


Not to mention we don't hike the ball till the play clock is expiring. It's maddening
 
DMoney said:
01Canes said:
Why would anyone be OK with keeping Coley?
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I'm OK with keeping Coley with the right head coach.

His one skill (identifying and signing great quarterbacks) is a major one. It can be the difference between good teams and championship teams. I also think he would be a better coordinator without Golden trying to protect D'Onofrio's defense.

Everybody loves Jedd Fisch because they never saw him coaching Gray Crow and Preston Dewey. And as great as Butch was at identifying quarterbacks, he left behind a complete mess at that position. We cannot discount Coley's skill in that area.
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You really believe that he could be a better coordinator? I can't disagree with the fact that he identified Kaaya's potential early-on...but his playcalling has been nothing short of disastrous. One thing I will say is that he can really put together a game plan...we seem to come out firing quite often.

But the offense seemingly disappears in the second half with regularity (I haven't researched the #'s to find the actual disparity - I'm going off of the eye test here), which speaks to his inability to adapt to changes being made on the opposing sideline.

Your post seems to indicate that you believe this to be a product of protecting the defense - and it may be to an extent - but he is the one who calls the actual plays. Once it becomes apparent that we need to create some offense to pull out a W, we fail.
 
How were the local HS coaches when UM hired JJ or Pink Ericson? Their players went to UM. Hire the right coach who can win games and the players will flock to UM.

IIRC, the local HS coaches wanted UM to hire Randy Shannon, and then they decided that they didn't like Randy. While you want to have a good relationship with the local HS coaches, their desires shouldn't be the driving factor in the decision. UM should talk with local HS coaches and get their input, but that shouldn't be the driving force. If UM decides to go in a different direction, UM can talk to the coaches and explain why they made the decision that they made.
 
Most of them are pimps who think they can strongarm Mario into a job.

It won't work with Butch, Chud or Schiano.
 
Ibis Wingz said:
How were the local HS coaches when UM hired JJ or Pink Ericson? Their players went to UM. Hire the right coach who can win games and the players will flock to UM.
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I agree that we don't need a local guy, but Erickson is not the greatest example. He was a disaster in recruiting, especially locally.
 
DMoney said:
Ibis Wingz said:
How were the local HS coaches when UM hired JJ or Pink Ericson? Their players went to UM. Hire the right coach who can win games and the players will flock to UM.
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I agree that we don't need a local guy, but Erickson is not the greatest example. He was a disaster in recruiting, especially locally.
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That's because he was lazy and recruited from the publications. He signed a good percentage of the guys he wanted; he just didn't want the right guys.
 
Ibis Wingz said:
DMoney said:
Ibis Wingz said:
How were the local HS coaches when UM hired JJ or Pink Ericson? Their players went to UM. Hire the right coach who can win games and the players will flock to UM.
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I agree that we don't need a local guy, but Erickson is not the greatest example. He was a disaster in recruiting, especially locally.
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That's because he was lazy and recruited from the publications. He signed a good percentage of the guys he wanted; he just didn't want the right guys.
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See also Coker, Larry.
 
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Tom Herman has one **** of a pitch to QBs considering the work he's done with Braxton Miller, J.T. Barrett, Cardale Jones, and now Greg Ward over the last few years. Herman was the primary recruiter for Barrett, which shows he knows how to evaluate. And he was also the primary for Torrance Gibson, a player our program wanted badly since the 8th grade.

Wouldn't have to worry about getting Fisch'd with Herman as the coach. And we'd also get horrendous OC James Coley, a tremendous HS QB evaluator who also happens to be one of the worst third down, red zone, and pretty much every other down other than the first handful of scripted plays playcallers on God's green earth, the **** away from this program.
 
Could anyone actually win at fiu I heard he wants to play a 4-3 defense and im sure he would listen to the alumni seems like a good fit he could get some good coordinator s anything will be better than golden
 
01Canes said:
Tom Herman has one **** of a pitch to QBs considering the work he's done with Braxton Miller, J.T. Barrett, Cardale Jones, and now Greg Ward over the last few years. Herman was the primary recruiter for Barrett, which shows he knows how to evaluate. And he was also the primary for Torrance Gibson, a player our program wanted badly since the 8th grade.

Wouldn't have to worry about getting Fisch'd with Herman as the coach. And we'd also get horrendous OC James Coley, a tremendous HS QB evaluator who also happens to be one of the worst third down, red zone, and pretty much every other down other than the first handful of scripted plays playcallers on God's green earth, the **** away from this program.
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I'm a Herman fan, even if he would be an awkward fit with Kaaya. He is a great choice. No argument from me on that one.

But if someone like Butch or Stoops came in and wanted to keep Coley, I'd support the move.
 
DMoney said:
01Canes said:
Tom Herman has one **** of a pitch to QBs considering the work he's done with Braxton Miller, J.T. Barrett, Cardale Jones, and now Greg Ward over the last few years. Herman was the primary recruiter for Barrett, which shows he knows how to evaluate. And he was also the primary for Torrance Gibson, a player our program wanted badly since the 8th grade.

Wouldn't have to worry about getting Fisch'd with Herman as the coach. And we'd also get horrendous OC James Coley, a tremendous HS QB evaluator who also happens to be one of the worst third down, red zone, and pretty much every other down other than the first handful of scripted plays playcallers on God's green earth, the **** away from this program.
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I'm a Herman fan, even if he would be an awkward fit with Kaaya. He is a great choice. No argument from me on that one.

But if someone like Butch or Stoops came in and wanted to keep Coley, I'd support the move.
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not to be glib but....why?
 
jkaz1 said:
Listening to who high school coaches want is no different than listening to who players or recruits want.

These coaches don't know who the best fit is....they're not even worth paying attention to...

blackvern said:
Mario Cristobal


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They are saying we need someone with connections to local recruting

Second place was Schiano
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Schiano ill be cool with.... but dont yall realize these coaches steer kids...if yall dnt think they dont, yall are clueless.... Remember Vern saying about why we dnt get kids from USchool?? Them coaches wasn't allowing it!!!
 
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Butch Davis. These high school kids are too young to relate but the staff he will bring will develop them. I don't want another great recruiter, its Miami. Schools with nothing to sell needs a great recruiter. We need a great staff, key word 'staff'. Not No D and Coley and Williams. That's why people down and Schiano as well. He's and NFL guy. He knows people, Pagano...knows people. If you guys want to turn the program over to people who you have no idea who they are bringing in as assistants. I don't think we can afford that. We need to get back that pro approach to the program. Its always ran better that way. Especially considering we don't have any players who have any experience of winning anything. Not even a bowl game
 
ghost2 said:
DMoney said:
I'm a Herman fan, even if he would be an awkward fit with Kaaya. He is a great choice. No argument from me on that one.

But if someone like Butch or Stoops came in and wanted to keep Coley, I'd support the move.
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not to be glib but....why?
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Because acquiring quarterbacks is one of the most important things in football.

That's the reason Auburn won a championship. That's the reason Florida State went from getting smashed by Florida to winning a championship in one year. When Urban Meyer was recruiting Tim Tebow, he said that missing on him would've set his program back ten years.

Coley's ability to identify and land quarterbacks cannot be underestimated. And I think he is a better coordinator than he showed under Golden.

I would love to land a guy like Herman who installed his own system. But if the right head coach wanted to keep Coley, I would understand and support the move.
 
This Mario discussion is so stupid and infuriating. We've seen this movie before. Randy Shannon was as "Miami" as you can get. He had the top class in the country. What happened next? He couldn't produce results on game day and subsequent classes suffered. Even with all of the well documented misses, Golden's classes were not terrible. We had 7 NFL players on our roster and it translated to 6 wins. We need to get past this mentality that recruiting >>> x's and o's. Ultimately kids want to play for championships. If you win on the field, you will win at the recruiting game. Conversely, a couple of good recruiting classes do not guarantee results on the field.
 
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