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Most confusing part of our QB situation

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To me, it’s the fact we’ve continuously heard how guys have to ‘know where to go with the ball’ and the ins and outs of our offense. There has been both implicit and explicit comments on here and by Coach Richt about understanding what is apparently a complex playbook.

But, watch the game. We called plays tonight we saw last season. Our QB often makes a single read. Our WRs aren’t consistently running complex route combinations.

So, are we holding something back because of our QB’s limitations? If so, why would we reward the QB for ‘knowing more’ (in practice and perhaps the film room) about where to go with the football? Can’t some of the younger guys who may or may not have the same accuracy, feet and release limitations run the playbook we actually already see on gameday?

There’s definitely something I’m missing in this puzzle. Perhaps someone on here much smarter than I can shed some light. It’s somewhere between the methods we use to evaluate practice, what we value from players in order to name them starters, and what guys actually do in real life (games against other teams).

Plainly, we just need to see guys against other teams.
 
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I think its a combo of Kosi not beingthe savior they thought, Williams being too young, and Rosier being the 5th year senior playing against a predictable and mediocre defense in practice.

its inexcusible no matter how you slice it.

the program cannot continue to operate in this half assed, PR based way. invest properly or fold the **** thing.
 
One thing thats so obvious even Ray Charles could see it is that Rosier has made ZERO improvement since last year and there is obviously no one on the Canes staff that can help develop him beyond the mediocre skill set he has.

Add to that the fact that Miami's offense is not designed to best utilize the talent that's there and the playcalling is horrible.
So another obvious need is a proven and skilled OC.

Until Miami has a new QB that can accurately throw and knows how to play the position and Miami gets an OC that can put a winning offense on the field and has the skill to call the right plays, fans will see nothing different than what we have and what we are doing now.

Finally, the Canes cannot be an elite team again with the O line play we have now. ****.....its really not good.
 
LuCane said:
To me, it’s the fact we’ve continuously heard how guys have to ‘know where to go with the ball’ and the ins and outs of our offense. There has been both implicit and explicit comments on here and by Coach Richt about understanding what is apparently a complex playbook.

But, watch the game. We called plays tonight we saw last season. Our QB often makes a single read. Our WRs aren’t consistently running complex route combinations.

So, are we holding something back because of our QB’s limitations? If so, why would we reward the QB for ‘knowing more’ (in practice and perhaps the film room) about where to go with the football? Can’t some of the younger guys who may or may not have the same accuracy, feet and release limitations run the playbook we actually already see on gameday?

There’s definitely something I’m missing in this puzzle. Perhaps someone on here much smarter than I can shed some light. It’s somewhere between the methods we use to evaluate practice, what we value from players in order to name them starters, and what guys actually do in real life (games against other teams).

Plainly, we just need to see guys against other teams.
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I was thinking the same thing. I think we all were. 3rd year and we have no one better than this at QB? 3rd year and OL is still an issue? Actually not just an issue but straight up abysmal. 3rd year and Richt still trying to cram an RPO based 4 vertical offense on an OL that cant run block or hold pass blocks longer than 2 seconds. Our personnel screams spread quick rhythm pass offense that uses the run as a changeup but Richt wants to run base 21 personnel?

I see zero improvement in the OL or QBs from one year to the next. I have seen zero improvement from our LB corps since year 1. I have seen little improvement in overall Safety play since year 1. Did Gurvan Hall even play a snap? Why does this defense always struggle on 3rd down? The stats may say otherwise but my eyes tell me differently especially in the first half which basically decided the game. Why do our blitzes rarely hit home? Why are our CB's playing so much off coverage? Why are our Special Teams a laughingstock in year 3? Lastly, do you still think we're getting on that rocketship? Seems like we got on the Challenger.
 
Also, I have to think that Blades, Frierson or Ivey should be able to pass Dean up fairly quickly. Dean was bad tonight.
 
FrancisSaywer said:
I was thinking the same thing. I think we all were. 3rd year and we have no one better than this at QB? 3rd year and OL is still an issue? Actually not just an issue but straight up abysmal. 3rd year and Richt still trying to cram an RPO based 4 vertical offense on an OL that cant run block or hold pass blocks longer than 2 seconds. Our personnel screams spread quick rhythm pass offense that uses the run as a changeup but Richt wants to run base 21 personnel?

I see zero improvement in the OL or QBs from one year to the next. I have seen zero improvement from our LB corps since year 1. I have seen little improvement in overall Safety play since year 1. Did Gurvan Hall even play a snap? Why does this defense always struggle on 3rd down? The stats may say otherwise but my eyes tell me differently especially in the first half which basically decided the game. Why do our blitzes rarely hit home? Why are our CB's playing so much off coverage? Why are our Special Teams a laughingstock in year 3? Lastly, do you still think we're getting on that rocketship? Seems like we got on the Challenger.
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All the same questions really. And, that rocketship I mentioned in the Podcast seems like a disaster for sure. Not because of just this one game, but because part of it was thinking ‘****, this schedule sets up really well.’ Well, our schedule just got busted up in more ways than the W/L column. I wasn’t one of the ones predicting blowout against LSU, but I did think we’d grind out a 27-21 type game. Thought most of the tinkering would have been done in Fall camp, we’d squeak by this game and then spend a few weeks getting rocketship optimized for remainder of journey to Charlotte.

Then I saw Rosier missing high each time he reset his feet from guys getting completely free blitz runs into our backfield. I tensed up. Then I saw strange jump ball calls down the sideline. Here we go again. Then I saw our OL failing to communicate pretty straightforward blitzed in their face. Finally, I saw the same ol’ problems that have us stuck as an average boom or bust defense - you named many of the issues there.

So, yeah, schedule or not, we have a TON of evaluation to do over the next 3 weeks. Evaluation that I’d reasonably expected to be done during Fall camp. By the time we settle into anything, it may be mid to late ACC season and who knows what has happened.

Disappointing. It was really set up well going into Y3. On the bright side, we have guys who supposedly talk about R1 early entree stuff, but would need to show the **** out rest of the big stage games to make it happen. Win if they do. Win if they have to come back and try to time the next possible rocketship.
 
I don't know how anyone can watch that game and care about the quarterback position. Definition of denial.

Down the stretch I thought the one certainty was that LSU would avalanche the backfield and sack Rosier when it was 4th and 10 down 33-17. I said it out loud to others watching with me. The other side had screwed around for too long but now it was time to reassert physical dominance and spit in our face.
 
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Awsi Dooger said:
I don't know how anyone can watch that game and care about the quarterback position. Definition of denial.

Down the stretch I thought the one certainty was that LSU would avalanche the backfield and sack Rosier when it was 4th and 10 down 33-17. I said it out loud to others watching with me. The other side had screwed around for too long but now it was time to reassert physical dominance and spit in our face.
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You’re not sure how anyone can watch that game and care about our QB situation and what it means as it relates to our playcalling and how we select our starting players?

Without going into a 1000 word post, do you mind explaining what exactly is the ‘denial?’
 
Awsi Dooger said:
I don't know how anyone can watch that game and care about the quarterback position. Definition of denial.

Down the stretch I thought the one certainty was that LSU would avalanche the backfield and sack Rosier when it was 4th and 10 down 33-17. I said it out loud to others watching with me. The other side had screwed around for too long but now it was time to reassert physical dominance and spit in our face.
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What in the **** are you talking about? Ok I think I get you if you are talking about not thinking about the QB because the OL sucks then I agree to a point.

Where I totally disagree is that QB still matters because if you have a good accurate QB who is a leader and your HC is smart enough to recognize what he has in terms of personnel then this could be a pretty **** good offense. Go to a quick passing game from multiple spread sets like we saw early on last night and we gash LSU if we have a QB that can make fundamental throws with consistently good accuracy without locking on to one receiver. I can't put into words how much Rosier sucked last night.
 
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Richt makes things more complex than they need to be. And I don't mean schematically - more with how he teaches these QBs to make reads, etc. Trying to get college QBs to go through 3 and 4 progressions is fvckin retarded. It's 2018... get dual threats and get the ball out of their hands early and often. Then throw in the occasional deepball.
 
There's nothing confusing about the QB situation, it's crystal clear.

The main problem is not Malik - it's that the staff has not developed a process to groom & develop talent effectively to play in games. Into year three and the two deep is still Golden recruits. WTF?

Sad - but heads have to roll, otherwise nothing is going to change. Been questioning the offensive staff for 2 years now.
 
Look 👀 do you see that? People are laughing at us again. So glad I didn’t sign up for the 12 month plan. Is the IPF gonna make us better? You want me to contribute more...the put a better product on the field. Until then...**** off and quit asking me for my hard earned $$$. Do you get it now?
 
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This QB debacle is 100% on Mark, especially given that Lil Jon is not even 30 years old yet, he's doesn't know anything about being a QB coach & developing guys. He should really be a grad assistant somewhere at a D II school, not a major Div 1 program like Miami learning on the job.

The part that is so frustrating to me is that we're seeing it more & more all around college football, every year True & Red Frosh QB's are starting and having success. Just 3 TF QB's (Sam Hartman, JT Daniels, Zack Annestad) this weekend started & played well, with the best of them in Adrian Martinez at Neb not playing yet because of game postponement due to weather.

****, Bama & UGA went to the playoffs & National championship game back to back seasons with TF QB's (Hurts in 16/ Fromm in 17). Then when we see what happened with Tua throwing a perfect pass to another TF WR in Devonta Smith literally winning the National championship.

There's no excuses why we have 3 capable young guys 2 of whom are 4-star QB's and not a single one of them has ever even taken a snap in a real game. Those other QB's I mentioned above were all given a chance to prove themselves by getting legitimate 1st team reps. Rosier gets the bulk of all the 1st team reps, so our young guys never have a real chance to compete.

What ****es me off the most is WTF is Richt waiting for?? If the playbook has to be adjusted to better suit the other 3 then so be it, what does Rosier do with the full playbook??? We have to play them this year in order to give them a head start on next year, if they don't get any reps this season in 2019 it'll be no different. We'll never know what they got if they're never on the field.

In 2019, If Perry doesn't play this year I'm almost certain he's gonna be looking around to transfer, leaving us with a talented inexperienced Jarren & Weldon who due to his Dad's relationship with Richt could become the QB by default.

Time to take the training wheels off & stop hiding behind a 5th year Senior who was a Foldenite recruit, Richt needs to prepare one of these 3 young guys to take over & we shouldn't have to wait til Rosier turns in another 42% multiple INT game to see it happen. Richt's stubbornness better not cost us in ACC play.
 
FrancisSaywer said:
I was thinking the same thing. I think we all were. 3rd year and we have no one better than this at QB? 3rd year and OL is still an issue? Actually not just an issue but straight up abysmal. 3rd year and Richt still trying to cram an RPO based 4 vertical offense on an OL that cant run block or hold pass blocks longer than 2 seconds. Our personnel screams spread quick rhythm pass offense that uses the run as a changeup but Richt wants to run base 21 personnel?
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I said something similar a while back, when none of the Qbs we've had, the last 3 years, seemed liked they could quite get Richt's system. My final thought then was that if Perry, a kid who supposedly has played a similar system since high school, couldn't get it, then its not the Qbs its definitely the system. Please let that sink in. In 3 years, NONE of our Qbs have looked good in this **** system, whatever the F*ck it is.
 
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Naw you are right. Idk what Rosier does during practice or how equal or worst those other kids are but the deal is any QB can complete in the 40% how much worst could it get with someone else?. But when you look at the throws that are completed by Rosier the players can even make a move afterwards.

Look at Burrow last night. He didn’t play great but he beat the Canes with his mind and just put the ball in play so guys had a chance.


Also is it just me or the trajectory that the ball leaves Malik’s hand the weirdest you’ve seen?
 
Our QB recruiting has been well below subpar since Shannon. When Brad Kayak and Steven 'Snickers' Morris are the best QBs you've developed then there is a huge problem. Crazy thing is, things have gotten worse under Richt. Kayak was atrocious under him and now we have Malik who should probably be playing baseball. We all knew this dude wasn't Miami caliber from day 1. We couldn't get anything out of Jack and now Perry is on that same bubble.
 
I can't totally pound away at out defense when you have a punter continuously putting us in a bad position with 15 yard punts. The offensive play calling is so putrid that even my wife who is the most non football person ever can tell me what is coming next. The defense is playing with one hand behind its back.
 
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