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Most confusing part of our QB situation

Liberty City El said:
This QB debacle is 100% on Mark, especially given that Lil Jon is not even 30 years old yet, he's doesn't know anything about being a QB coach & developing guys. He should really be a grad assistant somewhere at a D II school, not a major Div 1 program like Miami learning on the job.

The part that is so frustrating to me is that we're seeing it more & more all around college football, every year True & Red Frosh QB's are starting and having success. Just 3 TF QB's (Sam Hartman, JT Daniels, Zack Annestad) this weekend started & played well, with the best of them in Adrian Martinez at Neb not playing yet because of game postponement due to weather.

****, Bama & UGA went to the playoffs & National championship game back to back seasons with TF QB's (Hurts in 16/ Fromm in 17). Then when we see what happened with Tua throwing a perfect pass to another TF WR in Devonta Smith literally winning the National championship.

There's no excuses why we have 3 capable young guys 2 of whom are 4-star QB's and not a single one of them has ever even taken a snap in a real game. Those other QB's I mentioned above were all given a chance to prove themselves by getting legitimate 1st team reps. Rosier gets the bulk of all the 1st team reps, so our young guys never have a real chance to compete.

What ****es me off the most is WTF is Richt waiting for?? If the playbook has to be adjusted to better suit the other 3 then so be it, what does Rosier do with the full playbook??? We have to play them this year in order to give them a head start on next year, if they don't get any reps this season in 2019 it'll be no different. We'll never know what they got if they're never on the field.

In 2019, If Perry doesn't play this year I'm almost certain he's gonna be looking around to transfer, leaving us with a talented inexperienced Jarren & Weldon who due to his Dad's relationship with Richt could become the QB by default.

Time to take the training wheels off & stop hiding behind a 5th year Senior who was a Foldenite recruit, Richt needs to prepare one of these 3 young guys to take over & we shouldn't have to wait til Rosier turns in another 42% multiple INT game to see it happen. Richt's stubbornness better not cost us in ACC play.
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Great post. Isn’t Weldon’s dad married to Mark’s daughter or something? If kid was worth a crap he should have started the second half. Guess he isn’t. And we a son wasting a real coaching slot in charge of QBs. One Ritch needs to be fired this week. I’ve backed Rosier because he won games. That seems to have ended with 4 turnovers a game. Time to say thank you young man and sit him on the pine. We need a bunch of new staff. Manny needs to go with whatever assistants of postitions that have not improved. Online stinks worse than with Art. Fire whoever that is. Special teams remain horrid. Fire that idiot too. We got the indoor and a coastal. Mark did his job, now it is time to get a HC that wants to win and can actually do it.
 
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LuCane said:
You’re not sure how anyone can watch that game and care about our QB situation and what it means as it relates to our playcalling and how we select our starting players?

Without going into a 1000 word post, do you mind explaining what exactly is the ‘denial?’
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Good luck with this one, Lu.
 
There is nothing Mark Richt does as a playcaller that is difficult to grasp.

All he's calling is verts, deep posts, and the occasional comeback. None of which Rosier can hit. Comebacks go sailing into the 12th row or hit the dirt five yards off target. Deep posts go to the back shoulder. Verts are either on the money for a big gain or end up 10 yards off the mark downfield. I've seen a few medium depth crossing routes that take forever to run, to be fair.
 
CanesFan93 said:
Granted it was a first down, RPOs should only got to guys who can make something happen IF they get up field.
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I think Richt tend to out-coach himself with some of his play calls. He tends to go for, "oh, I bet they never thought I would this!" Quite a few of his bonehead run calls over the years, fit that description, based on down/distance.
 
BoxingRobes said:
There is nothing Mark Richt does as a playcaller that is difficult to grasp.

All he's calling is verts, deep posts, and the occasional comeback. None of which Rosier can hit. Comebacks go sailing into the 12th row or hit the dirt five yards off target. Deep posts go to the back shoulder. Verts are either on the money for a big gain or end up 10 yards off the mark downfield. I've seen a few medium depth crossing routes that take forever to run, to be fair.
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I was about to say, don't forget those drag routes that really open up about the time Rosier's done picking himself off the turf.
 
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mdpcane said:
One thing thats so obvious even Ray Charles could see it is that Rosier has made ZERO improvement since last year and there is obviously no one on the Canes staff that can help develop him beyond the mediocre skill set he has.

Add to that the fact that Miami's offense is not designed to best utilize the talent that's there and the playcalling is horrible.
So another obvious need is a proven and skilled OC.

Until Miami has a new QB that can accurately throw and knows how to play the position and Miami gets an OC that can put a winning offense on the field and has the skill to call the right plays, fans will see nothing different than what we have and what we are doing now.

Finally, the Canes cannot be an elite team again with the O line play we have now. ****.....its really not good.[/QUOTE

ALL OF THIS
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Dghustla said:
Naw you are right. Idk what Rosier does during practice or how equal or worst those other kids are but the deal is any QB can complete in the 40% how much worst could it get with someone else?. But when you look at the throws that are completed by Rosier the players can even make a move afterwards.

Look at Burrow last night. He didn’t play great but he beat the Canes with his mind and just put the ball in play so guys had a chance.


Also is it just me or the trajectory that the ball leaves Malik’s hand the weirdest you’ve seen?
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Winner winner!!!! Malik’s accuracy is even worse than his stat line let’s on because as this poster identified even his completions are bad throws where the WR needs to make some adjustment or diving catch and they can’t do anything with the ball afterwards.
 
Liberty City El said:
This QB debacle is 100% on Mark, especially given that Lil Jon is not even 30 years old yet, he's doesn't know anything about being a QB coach & developing guys. He should really be a grad assistant somewhere at a D II school, not a major Div 1 program like Miami learning on the job.

The part that is so frustrating to me is that we're seeing it more & more all around college football, every year True & Red Frosh QB's are starting and having success. Just 3 TF QB's (Sam Hartman, JT Daniels, Zack Annestad) this weekend started & played well, with the best of them in Adrian Martinez at Neb not playing yet because of game postponement due to weather.

****, Bama & UGA went to the playoffs & National championship game back to back seasons with TF QB's (Hurts in 16/ Fromm in 17). Then when we see what happened with Tua throwing a perfect pass to another TF WR in Devonta Smith literally winning the National championship.

There's no excuses why we have 3 capable young guys 2 of whom are 4-star QB's and not a single one of them has ever even taken a snap in a real game. Those other QB's I mentioned above were all given a chance to prove themselves by getting legitimate 1st team reps. Rosier gets the bulk of all the 1st team reps, so our young guys never have a real chance to compete.

What ****es me off the most is WTF is Richt waiting for?? If the playbook has to be adjusted to better suit the other 3 then so be it, what does Rosier do with the full playbook??? We have to play them this year in order to give them a head start on next year, if they don't get any reps this season in 2019 it'll be no different. We'll never know what they got if they're never on the field.

In 2019, If Perry doesn't play this year I'm almost certain he's gonna be looking around to transfer, leaving us with a talented inexperienced Jarren & Weldon who due to his Dad's relationship with Richt could become the QB by default.

Time to take the training wheels off & stop hiding behind a 5th year Senior who was a Foldenite recruit, Richt needs to prepare one of these 3 young guys to take over & we shouldn't have to wait til Rosier turns in another 42% multiple INT game to see it happen. Richt's stubbornness better not cost us in ACC play.
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Herein lies the problem and i remember being ****ed at this shît, like some others on here were, when Kayaa was the QB, and getting downvoted for blaming Richt the OC.

A good coach adjusts his system to suit his personnel when needed. Look at the different offenses Shula ran with the Fins. Richt forced Kayaa to keep running his offense with a weak offensive line when we didn't have that type of personnel. He kept going back to that well over and over and over.

He's had 3 years to bring in his type of personnel. No more excuses. He's stubborn af forcing square pegs into round holes.

I'm hurt dawg.
 
I hate to be that guy but I think what awsi is trying to say is that as bad as our QB play and playcalling is, it doesn't matter anyway because we have a serious problem in the trenches. Here's the truth about last night's game. LSU let up and got complacent. Honestly that score should have been worse. We have a long way to go. We lack some pieces in key spots, and neither the OC nor the DC seems to be the type that will consistently win in a game of cat and mouse.
 
LuCane said:
To me, it’s the fact we’ve continuously heard how guys have to ‘know where to go with the ball’ and the ins and outs of our offense. There has been both implicit and explicit comments on here and by Coach Richt about understanding what is apparently a complex playbook.

But, watch the game. We called plays tonight we saw last season. Our QB often makes a single read. Our WRs aren’t consistently running complex route combinations.

So, are we holding something back because of our QB’s limitations? If so, why would we reward the QB for ‘knowing more’ (in practice and perhaps the film room) about where to go with the football? Can’t some of the younger guys who may or may not have the same accuracy, feet and release limitations run the playbook we actually already see on gameday?

There’s definitely something I’m missing in this puzzle. Perhaps someone on here much smarter than I can shed some light. It’s somewhere between the methods we use to evaluate practice, what we value from players in order to name them starters, and what guys actually do in real life (games against other teams).

Plainly, we just need to see guys against other teams.
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“complex playbook.”

I this point I refuse to believe this.
 
HighSeas said:
This is Richt's 3rd year and the offense gets more vanilla every year. You can't line up in the same formation with the same alignment running zone read, inside zone and 3rd&long isolation routes and expect to have a modicum of success against competent defense.

Ben McAdoo had an infamously massive playcall sheet and yet the Giants ran the most predictable passing game just like Richt's. An offense can be complex to learn but simple to defend, and vice versa.
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Exactly this. We have an offense that is harder on our players but easy on the defense, no motion, no shifts, just hope to lineup and outathlete the other team. This will work with 80% of games but when you play real teams with similar athletes you look like ****.

To answer @LuCane, its not complicated. Rosier has been in system longer, if you played the game you know in practice you can rig it to point where you look good but actually suck. You know the defense and can kinda game the system (mind you our defense can make any qb look good, with slants, in cuts, etc). Our corches have said they chart every throw and you get points for throwing to right guy even if the pass isnt complete. Rosier knows how to game that and come out looking better than the younger guys.

Add that since our offense is so simple, its harder on the qb and they make it more complicated on the young guys. They just would rather roll with rosier because he can identify the mike backer or some ****. Then throw ball right at him.
 
Great points all around. This is a Richt family problem. The D3 QB coach needs D3-caliber talent to run this D3 system.
 
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Liberty City El said:
This QB debacle is 100% on Mark, especially given that Lil Jon is not even 30 years old yet, he's doesn't know anything about being a QB coach & developing guys. He should really be a grad assistant somewhere at a D II school, not a major Div 1 program like Miami learning on the job.

The part that is so frustrating to me is that we're seeing it more & more all around college football, every year True & Red Frosh QB's are starting and having success. Just 3 TF QB's (Sam Hartman, JT Daniels, Zack Annestad) this weekend started & played well, with the best of them in Adrian Martinez at Neb not playing yet because of game postponement due to weather.

****, Bama & UGA went to the playoffs & National championship game back to back seasons with TF QB's (Hurts in 16/ Fromm in 17). Then when we see what happened with Tua throwing a perfect pass to another TF WR in Devonta Smith literally winning the National championship.

There's no excuses why we have 3 capable young guys 2 of whom are 4-star QB's and not a single one of them has ever even taken a snap in a real game. Those other QB's I mentioned above were all given a chance to prove themselves by getting legitimate 1st team reps. Rosier gets the bulk of all the 1st team reps, so our young guys never have a real chance to compete.

What ****es me off the most is WTF is Richt waiting for?? If the playbook has to be adjusted to better suit the other 3 then so be it, what does Rosier do with the full playbook??? We have to play them this year in order to give them a head start on next year, if they don't get any reps this season in 2019 it'll be no different. We'll never know what they got if they're never on the field.

In 2019, If Perry doesn't play this year I'm almost certain he's gonna be looking around to transfer, leaving us with a talented inexperienced Jarren & Weldon who due to his Dad's relationship with Richt could become the QB by default.

Time to take the training wheels off & stop hiding behind a 5th year Senior who was a Foldenite recruit, Richt needs to prepare one of these 3 young guys to take over & we shouldn't have to wait til Rosier turns in another 42% multiple INT game to see it happen. Richt's stubbornness better not cost us in ACC play.
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The program is being mismanaged. That’s the truth of it. Does Weldon have a scholly if his dad doesn’t have a connection to Richt? Who is our QB recruit next year? Isn’t it another family friend? His son is a qb coach undeservedly so. Why are banda and patke coaches here. They have connections to Diaz. The whole thing is being mismanaged by Richt. And there’s is no one in the AD to tell him to get his **** together or get the **** out
 
Awsi Dooger said:
I don't know how anyone can watch that game and care about the quarterback position. Definition of denial.

Down the stretch I thought the one certainty was that LSU would avalanche the backfield and sack Rosier when it was 4th and 10 down 33-17. I said it out loud to others watching with me. The other side had screwed around for too long but now it was time to reassert physical dominance and spit in our face.
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What a ******* ******.
 
ScubaCane said:
I thought it was very telling when the announcers mentioned a quote from Aranda about how simple our passing game is to defend, absolutely no intermediate routes.
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Our QB's tendencies and skillset don't force the opponent to worry about the intermediate routes, but the routes are there on tape from what I have seen.
 
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