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Most confusing part of our QB situation

LuCane said:
To me, it’s the fact we’ve continuously heard how guys have to ‘know where to go with the ball’ and the ins and outs of our offense. There has been both implicit and explicit comments on here and by Coach Richt about understanding what is apparently a complex playbook.

But, watch the game. We called plays tonight we saw last season. Our QB often makes a single read. Our WRs aren’t consistently running complex route combinations.

So, are we holding something back because of our QB’s limitations? If so, why would we reward the QB for ‘knowing more’ (in practice and perhaps the film room) about where to go with the football? Can’t some of the younger guys who may or may not have the same accuracy, feet and release limitations run the playbook we actually already see on gameday?

There’s definitely something I’m missing in this puzzle. Perhaps someone on here much smarter than I can shed some light. It’s somewhere between the methods we use to evaluate practice, what we value from players in order to name them starters, and what guys actually do in real life (games against other teams).

Plainly, we just need to see guys against other teams.
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Rights offense isn’t complex. He is full of it on that front. I was screaming out the play being called (before it was run) 90% of the time while I watched the game. There are no nuances to his offense
 
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Awsi Dooger said:
I don't know how anyone can watch that game and care about the quarterback position. Definition of denial.

Down the stretch I thought the one certainty was that LSU would avalanche the backfield and sack Rosier when it was 4th and 10 down 33-17. I said it out loud to others watching with me. The other side had screwed around for too long but now it was time to reassert physical dominance and spit in our face.
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Can we ban the next canes coach or players who trash talk how good we are.by the way who ate the three headed monster.
 
And if Rosier allows you to use the full playbook then how small is this playbook? I feel like we ranmaybe ten to 15 different plays. The fact is we have a qb who doesn’t hit players in stride. Who doesn’t use timing when making his throws. If you throw on time you throw guys open. If you wait and pump fake, or wait to see them open it’s too late already. Rosier has to go. We know what we have in him and now every team in the world knows how to expose him. Most teams on our schedule won’t have the talent to do it. But this is how teams like duke and UNC play you to the wire. They stunt your already crappy qb.

It’s time to take the maybe not so smart kid with all the athleticism in the world.

BRING ME N’KOSI!!!!
 
At this point I just have to ask if it can really get much worse than Rosier? I mean if any of the other QBs can complete 50% of their passes it’s an improvement.
 
frostycane said:
And if Rosier allows you to use the full playbook then how small is this playbook? I feel like we ranmaybe ten to 15 different plays. The fact is we have a qb who doesn’t hit players in stride. Who doesn’t use timing when making his throws. If you throw on time you throw guys open. If you wait and pump fake, or wait to see them open it’s too late already. Rosier has to go. We know what we have in him and now every team in the world knows how to expose him. Most teams on our schedule won’t have the talent to do it. But this is how teams like duke and UNC play you to the wire. They stunt your already crappy qb.

It’s time to take the maybe not so smart kid with all the athleticism in the world.

BRING ME N’KOSI!!!!
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10-15 plays is being utterly generous. How about maybe 5 plays total in the playbook
 
jmccomber5 said:
At this point I just have to ask if it can really get much worse than Rosier? I mean if any of the other QBs can complete 50% of their passes it’s an improvement.
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This is sad but it’s incredibly spot on. They can’t be any worse than how he’s throwing the ball. At this point it don’t matter if they are inexperienced rosier is still making dumb *** mistakes and not seeing the field well
 
Rosier should sit out next game and rest his throwing shoulder. He successfully incompleted 20 passes he deserves a break
 
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Liberty City El said:
This QB debacle is 100% on Mark, especially given that Lil Jon is not even 30 years old yet, he's doesn't know anything about being a QB coach & developing guys. He should really be a grad assistant somewhere at a D II school, not a major Div 1 program like Miami learning on the job.

The part that is so frustrating to me is that we're seeing it more & more all around college football, every year True & Red Frosh QB's are starting and having success. Just 3 TF QB's (Sam Hartman, JT Daniels, Zack Annestad) this weekend started & played well, with the best of them in Adrian Martinez at Neb not playing yet because of game postponement due to weather.

****, Bama & UGA went to the playoffs & National championship game back to back seasons with TF QB's (Hurts in 16/ Fromm in 17). Then when we see what happened with Tua throwing a perfect pass to another TF WR in Devonta Smith literally winning the National championship.

There's no excuses why we have 3 capable young guys 2 of whom are 4-star QB's and not a single one of them has ever even taken a snap in a real game. Those other QB's I mentioned above were all given a chance to prove themselves by getting legitimate 1st team reps. Rosier gets the bulk of all the 1st team reps, so our young guys never have a real chance to compete.

What ****es me off the most is WTF is Richt waiting for?? If the playbook has to be adjusted to better suit the other 3 then so be it, what does Rosier do with the full playbook??? We have to play them this year in order to give them a head start on next year, if they don't get any reps this season in 2019 it'll be no different. We'll never know what they got if they're never on the field.

In 2019, If Perry doesn't play this year I'm almost certain he's gonna be looking around to transfer, leaving us with a talented inexperienced Jarren & Weldon who due to his Dad's relationship with Richt could become the QB by default.

Time to take the training wheels off & stop hiding behind a 5th year Senior who was a Foldenite recruit, Richt needs to prepare one of these 3 young guys to take over & we shouldn't have to wait til Rosier turns in another 42% multiple INT game to see it happen. Richt's stubbornness better not cost us in ACC play.
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Kaaya had his best season in this system and Rosier set school TD records last season but ok
 
FrancisSaywer said:
I was thinking the same thing. I think we all were. 3rd year and we have no one better than this at QB? 3rd year and OL is still an issue? Actually not just an issue but straight up abysmal. 3rd year and Richt still trying to cram an RPO based 4 vertical offense on an OL that cant run block or hold pass blocks longer than 2 seconds. Our personnel screams spread quick rhythm pass offense that uses the run as a changeup but Richt wants to run base 21 personnel?

I see zero improvement in the OL or QBs from one year to the next. I have seen zero improvement from our LB corps since year 1. I have seen little improvement in overall Safety play since year 1. Did Gurvan Hall even play a snap? Why does this defense always struggle on 3rd down? The stats may say otherwise but my eyes tell me differently especially in the first half which basically decided the game. Why do our blitzes rarely hit home? Why are our CB's playing so much off coverage? Why are our Special Teams a laughingstock in year 3? Lastly, do you still think we're getting on that rocketship? Seems like we got on the Challenger.
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I always was a Butch guy but thought Mark was more “acceptable” choice and at least a good coach. Now, he seems more like golden- stubbornly clinging to his offense and his son coach like golden did his D and fatso. That thought sickened me. It ****ing me off that I got suckered into giving money again. Golden was an *** and Mark is a nice guy but neither can coach worth a crap. There is a reason this year’s recruiting class has fallen apart and looks bad. The staff sucks and kids have seen it. Four soul crushing loses in a row and not one change. The president needs to have real world come to Jesus meeting with pastor Mark. Honeymoon is over. Start those engines at north perry airport.
 
This is Richt's 3rd year and the offense gets more vanilla every year. You can't line up in the same formation with the same alignment running zone read, inside zone and 3rd&long isolation routes and expect to have a modicum of success against competent defense.

Ben McAdoo had an infamously massive playcall sheet and yet the Giants ran the most predictable passing game just like Richt's. An offense can be complex to learn but simple to defend, and vice versa.
 
Liberty City El said:
This QB debacle is 100% on Mark, especially given that Lil Jon is not even 30 years old yet, he's doesn't know anything about being a QB coach & developing guys. He should really be a grad assistant somewhere at a D II school, not a major Div 1 program like Miami learning on the job.

The part that is so frustrating to me is that we're seeing it more & more all around college football, every year True & Red Frosh QB's are starting and having success. Just 3 TF QB's (Sam Hartman, JT Daniels, Zack Annestad) this weekend started & played well, with the best of them in Adrian Martinez at Neb not playing yet because of game postponement due to weather.

****, Bama & UGA went to the playoffs & National championship game back to back seasons with TF QB's (Hurts in 16/ Fromm in 17). Then when we see what happened with Tua throwing a perfect pass to another TF WR in Devonta Smith literally winning the National championship.

There's no excuses why we have 3 capable young guys 2 of whom are 4-star QB's and not a single one of them has ever even taken a snap in a real game. Those other QB's I mentioned above were all given a chance to prove themselves by getting legitimate 1st team reps. Rosier gets the bulk of all the 1st team reps, so our young guys never have a real chance to compete.

What ****es me off the most is WTF is Richt waiting for?? If the playbook has to be adjusted to better suit the other 3 then so be it, what does Rosier do with the full playbook??? We have to play them this year in order to give them a head start on next year, if they don't get any reps this season in 2019 it'll be no different. We'll never know what they got if they're never on the field.

In 2019, If Perry doesn't play this year I'm almost certain he's gonna be looking around to transfer, leaving us with a talented inexperienced Jarren & Weldon who due to his Dad's relationship with Richt could become the QB by default.

Time to take the training wheels off & stop hiding behind a 5th year Senior who was a Foldenite recruit, Richt needs to prepare one of these 3 young guys to take over & we shouldn't have to wait til Rosier turns in another 42% multiple INT game to see it happen. Richt's stubbornness better not cost us in ACC play.
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Great post. I wrote something similar in one of the other threads. What is confusing to me is that Richt likes to talk about how Rosier has such a better unerstanding of the playbook when compared to the other qb's and makes it appear that it was a big or one of the deciding factors in naming him the starter. Yet, on gameday, our offensive gameplan appears about as complex and imaginative as the ones we used to get on "Tecmo Bowl" back in the day. It's just really hard to fathom that none of the 3 other qb's on the roster (2 of which are in their 2nd year in this system) could execute the vanilla crap we see thrown out there on gamedays to an acceptable degree.

Even if you have to scale the gameplan down from the 6-7 plays we appear to run now to a more manageable 4-5, do it. Just get me a qb that could make basic throws/hit wide open receivers, use the middle of the field and not look totally discombobulated when trying to throw on the run. As you said, there are true freshmen qb's at other programs starting and playing much better than the 5th year senior qb who has been in our system for 3 years.

If our staff can't find one qb out of the 3 other QBs on the roster that can play better than what we've been getting out of #12 then they are either deficient in their ability to evaluate talent or their ability to develop whatever talent they do have. It's also disturbing that our staff is either unable to or are reluctant to develop a gameplan that is able to squeeze out as much production as possible from a qb despite his limitations. Just seems like Richt has got his offensive philosophy and is going to stubbornly stick to the same style of playcalling (slow developing, downfield passing) game after game, no matter the down and distance, the play of the o-line, or his qb's repeated inability to execute it.
 
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mirvin88 said:
Kaaya had his best season in this system and Rosier set school TD records last season but ok
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Four massive loses in a row is on staff not the players. Rosier overachieved last year and I love him for it. Kid is cool in close games and has decent feet but clearly has limited passing skills. That would be okay but three years and no alternative is coaching and recruiting. Not having a QB in this class is actionable failure. Satan had NC QBs and bounced him in second half of title game and managed to keep both this year. It was not Mark’s fault he only had brad and rosier when he got here but not having anyone now is.
 
mirvin88 said:
Kaaya had his best season in this system and Rosier set school TD records last season but ok
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Kaaya almost went undrafted in this system. People have been calling for Rosier to be benched since his 1st game in this system. Jack transferred out because of this system. And no other Qb is apparently smart enough to grasp this system, other than a guy who cant complete more than 50% of his passes in this system.
 
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