More on NIL Super deals and NIL Collectives

Worse is that in some cases that athlete could owe the collective money even if they don't get NIL from anyone else.


There are some parallels here to the groups who will give minor league baseball players money upfront and support them while they (generally) make no money in the minors and in return get a percentage of their future earnings for their entire career. Could probably make some parallels to the music industry as well; signing naïve up and coming artists to ****** deals that lock them in long term.

Preying on naïve/desperate people and justifying it by saying 'they should have read the contract' :ohlord:
Miami and other schools will need to set up an NIL team to review any deals their players are offered, to prevent that situation from happening.
 
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Miami and other schools will need to set up an NIL team to review any deals their players are offered, to prevent that situation from happening.
I don't think this is an issue for existing players on the team - the issue is for recruits. Miami can't (nor any other school) offer those services to players who are not yet students of the school.
 
That's what I feared.

So imagine if you are Justin Fields and the Bulldog Collective signed you to that deal. You decide to transfer to Ohio State because that's the best for you in terms of playing time and NFL opportunity....but....now you have to weigh that against the fact that your transfer will not only negate any further receipt of payment from your existing NIL deals, but the revenue from any new Ohio State-based NIL deals is automatically going back to the Bulldog Collective.

Furthermore, some of these players might find that not only did they sign their NIL to a Collective, but find that when they do a Chunky Soup sponsorship eight years later as an NFL All Pro that they in turn will have to give all of that revenue (or a large share of it) to the Collective that gave them $1M in college.
I don’t see what the problem is with this. The collectives have a responsibility to their donors to protect their investments.

Athletes sell their rights for upfront payment all the time. The kids wanted to get compensated, and now they are. If they can’t understand what their deals mean, they shouldn’t sign them. If they want to get paid like adults, it’s time to start taking responsibility for their own signature, like adults.
 
I don’t see what the problem is with this. The collectives have a responsibility to their donors to protect their investments.

Athletes sell their rights for upfront payment all the time. The kids wanted to get compensated, and now they are. If they can’t understand what their deals mean, they shouldn’t sign them. If they want to get paid like adults, it’s time to start taking responsibility for their own signature, like adults.
What happens when the Bulldog Collective signs a 15 year old to an $4M deal as a sophomore in high school? He's now locked in to going to Georgia. His recruitment effectively ended as a sophomore. And then the next year they push it further, locking in a Vince Young-type high school freshman.

We'll be shifting recruiting (and essentially signings) to kids as they enter high school.
 
I don’t see what the problem is with this. The collectives have a responsibility to their donors to protect their investments.

Athletes sell their rights for upfront payment all the time. The kids wanted to get compensated, and now they are. If they can’t understand what their deals mean, they shouldn’t sign them. If they want to get paid like adults, it’s time to start taking responsibility for their own signature, like adults.
What I am saying is that once a player is committed and enrolled, the college should be offering a legal service so that these deals can be reviewed and explained to 17 - 19 year old athletes so that they can know what they are signing. Otherwise you get the baseball situation where some 4 star signs a $50K NIL, becomes an NFL All Pro, and ends up giving up 80% of his lifetime earnings because he didn't read the fine print.
 
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What I am saying is that once a player is committed and enrolled, the college should be offering a legal service so that these deals can be reviewed and explained to 17 - 19 year old athletes so that they can know what they are signing. Otherwise you get the baseball situation where some 4 star signs a $50K NIL, becomes an NFL All Pro, and ends up giving up 80% of his lifetime earnings because he didn't read the fine print.
Most of these kids have agents and/or lawyers for that. If they don’t, they should get one. Amateurism is dead. They are essentially the same as pro athletes now.

Idk what else to say, other than welcome to the real world. Nobody is making them sign the contracts. They complained about signing an LOI bc they couldn’t make money. Now there’s issues with signing contracts that make them money? Nah it doesn’t work like that.
 
Clemson set reveal its NIL collective next week. Boosters are already restless about their current recruiting efforts.
 


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- The attorney who negotiated last week an $8 million deal between a 5-star recruit and an NIL collective believes the spending spree in the NIL space has just begun — and future deals will only get bigger.

“I believe it's just going to keep going up for sure, without a doubt,” attorney Mike Caspino said. “There will be deals and there will be larger deals than this. We’re still in our infancy here. We haven’t reached adolescence yet in our NIL lifetime.”

-Caspino represents a 5-star recruit in the Class of 2023 who signed an agreement with an NIL collective that could pay him more than $8 million before the end of his junior year as a college athlete. The player’s identity, along with the NIL collective, has remained private, but Caspino shared details of the agreement that includes an initial payout of $350,000, followed by monthly payments that could pay him more than $8 million by the end of the player's junior year in college.

- Caspino said he jumped into the NIL realm when his sons’ friends began inquiring about NIL deals as athletes. The Newport Beach, California native now represents between 25 and 30 athletes across the country.

“The message needs to go out to these athletes is that this is not a take-it-or-leave-it deal that’s handed to them,” he said. “They have to read it, understand it, and they have to make sure that they're pushing back on terms that they find objectionable.”

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Meanwhile, many athletes are negotiating deals without an attorney and agreeing to contracts that require repayment or a percentage of an athlete’s future earnings after college.

Many NIL collectives are not just well-funded but they also receive help from rabid fans with law degrees and decades of business experience. Think of them as Sport Super PACs.

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Caspino said he is aware of athletes with deals who have not been paid, and there is no legal remedy as companies continue to use their likeness.

"I've seen their contracts. They didn’t have a lawyer look at it. They just saw dollar signs and they signed a bad contract," Casino said. "That’s my No. 1 concern. I don’t represent the collectives, I present the athletes. My job is to ensure their eligibility … and to have options. They're going to become an indentured servant to somebody."

- NIL collectives in Tennessee and Florida have set fundraising goals in the neighborhood of $30 million per year. The end goal is clear: lure the best of the best to their favorite schools and win championships.

“We’re a fan club,” said Eddie Rojas, a financial advisor and former Florida pitcher who started Florida’s NIL collective. “We’re here to provide fans amazing experiences and opportunities.”

The Gator Collective raised more than $44,000 in subscription sales in January and employs between 10 to 15 professionals. They hope to open an office in Gainesville in the future.


"These collectives are extremely well funded by an alumni network that previously could not make these types of financial contributions to affect their teams and now they can," Caspino said. "… If generous alumni are always going to be there for this cause, then this is just going to go up and up and up."

Here’s my question. If these deals that are clearly inducements to play for a particular school aren’t to be seen that way, how is the financial provider going to avoid paying a kid who transfers? I imagine bama booster would be salty about paying a kid who’s transfered to UGA.
 
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Well, they do get a benefit from it. Just not a direct monetary benefit. They get similar benefits to what you would get if you donated a ton of money to a school.

You are going to have 2 main types of donors here.

1. The guys that really want to see the team win at all costs. Which means if they have a couple busts they are going to more likely be mad at the coach for not assessing the kid properly and want him fired, more than not wanting to buy another player.

2. The guys that want clout in the school. These guys don't care if a player busts. Its all about how much money they spend. If they spend 20 million on 3 players and they all bust, they are still the guy that donated 20 mill to the football team and will get all the clout and benefits that come with that donation.
I think people are mistaking what the payoff is. They think it’s buying a specific kid and that kid becoming a star. As you said, the payoff is the team winning and/or being the guy with the deep pockets. Either way, the proof that people won’t stop when recruits don’t pan out is that they never have before. They’ve always thrown bags at kids who failed, and they always will.
 
Here’s my question. If these deals that are clearly inducements to play for a particular school aren’t to be seen that way, how is the financial provider going to avoid paying a kid who transfers? I imagine bama booster would be salty about paying a kid who’s transfered to UGA.
Great question. But absent any NCAA oversight, I think that these NIL can be explicitly tied to an athlete going to a school. Want $20M? Go to Alabama and sign with the Elephant Collective. Want to then transfer to the Dawgs...you get nothing more, and furthermore you owe a said portion of earnings back to us.
 
I think people are mistaking what the payoff is. They think it’s buying a specific kid and that kid becoming a star. As you said, the payoff is the team winning and/or being the guy with the deep pockets. Either way, the proof that people won’t stop when recruits don’t pan out is that they never have before. They’ve always thrown bags at kids who failed, and they always will.
Good point. But bags before were never higher than the $300K range (roughly). With NIL, we are now hitting $8M. And that’s just the start. Prestige will get further involved. It will become a bragging point that “I was able to offer a deal bigger than any before!”, even if the financial sense is lost. You’ll see a $50M NIL within a decade, and a $100M NIL deal within 15 years. And that’s when a talent misfire will sting. Let’s say a school does this...plunks $100M...guaranteed with no ties to starts or performance, because that will certainly become a standard....on a quarterback they they think is the next Trevor Lawrence but turns out to be the next Ron Pawlus, that will become the breaking point and cause schools to reconsider how they do things.
 
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NIL rankings:

1. Football
2. Women's basketball (not a typo)
3. Men's basketball
4. Women's swimming and diving
5. Girls volleyball

Women's hoop NIL >> Men's hoop NIL. And 3 of the 5 biggest are women's sports.

There are female athletes making $1M+ a year.

Good read:

 
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Nicky SHOOK like the bïtch he is. He knows what's up.👇


Nick Saban Gives Another Warning About NIL That Sounds A Whole Lot Like A Threat


“So there’s going to have to be some changes implemented, some kind of way to still create a level playing field,” he said. “And there is no salary cap. So whatever school decides they want to pay the most, they have the best chance to have the best team. And that’s never been college football, either.”

👆Ok Nicky, whatever makes you feel better.
 
The lawyers will ALWAYS get their $$.

Congress will ALWAYS back them because +80% of Congress are lawyers
 
Looking from today’s perspective, cases like this are just possibilities for lawyers to hype a little and make more money. It doesn’t mean those cases change anything – they are there to be loud.
I would prefer any of my court cases to be as quiet as possible so that few people know about them. It would give me peace of mind. I know that no one would be interested in my business, but you never know what’s going to the hype in the media. That's why I pay more to a good lawyer whom I personally know to make sure the information does not get to the people who shouldn’t know that.
 
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