Missed opportunities

Everyone like to win. It's good. Feels good.

But what separates Golden from Saban, or JJ, or any number of other Head Coaches, past and present is - Golden doesn't hate to lose.

Think about Saban. He hates to lose. In fact, anything short of a perfect game to Saban is Hateful. His dissatisfaction after every game is something to see. Ol' Ball Coach hates losing worse than anything. These are MEN.

Golden doesn't enjoy losing, but Golden doesn't hate it. And if you have any doubts, consider the interviews by players over the past damned-near-four years. Not one of them is ****ed. Not one of them has said they hated losing by either words or attitude. Snickers was a prime example of a Golden-give-a-**** indoctrination.

A man cannot have two fears of equal strength. He'll fear losing, or his hatred of losing - only one can dominate.

Golden fears losing - thus the prevent style lockup in his bowels in games with any difficulty whatsoever.

Golden's FEAR of LOSING, is stronger than his HATRED of LOSING.

And that's in him. His DNA. His core personality.

And that will NOT change. That's why he'll never win a championship. Golden couldn't win a championship with the '72 Dolphins.

You stole basically this entire post from another poster from another board. Almost recited word for word.

No. I didn't steal nothing. In fact, I've said this about Golden for a while.

And in fact, the principles I just stated here were also published in my book in 2007.

Now there may be some crossover in what I wrote in that we can see this reflected in the statements by players, but that too, has been an ongoing discussion for a couple years among many of us that came to that conclusion a couple years ago.

Truth is, great minds think alike.
 
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How about whiffing on Cook (and the other three elite RBs from S FL last year?)

Seems to me that goes in the "Missed Opportunities" folder?
 
Golden doesnt hate to lose? How do you know this... Do you know saba at this point in his coaching career at mich st didnt even make a bowl game?
 
Why does everyone seem to ignore that Jimbo was effectively the shadow HC at FSU for THREE seasons before Bowden retired? And he lost SIXTEEN (16) games. He also lost 10 games his first 3 seasons as official HC.

Jimbo has certainly finally gotten it right at FSU, though we will see how he does without Winston, who has taken them where they are. But lets also not act like Jimbo just walked right in and magically transformed FSU into a powerhouse overnight.


Shadow? Cool, great experience. Golden was a HEAD coach for 5 seasons.

And I love pointing out his losses, let's ignore the 2 double digit win seasons, 3 bowl game wins, and 2 ACC titles. Good lord.

Yes, but you are really going to compare Temple to Florida State?? Jimbo was brought in to be the HC in waiting, and was the defacto HC at FSU while Bobby was drooling on himself and everyone was waiting for him to just retire because no one wanted to 'push out the legend".

Jimbo showed up in 2007, and in his first 3 seasons, FSU went on to have 2 of the WORST seasons in 40 years. Losing SIXTEEN games those 3 years. People were ready to HANG Jimbo at FSU, but Bobby took the blame, even though he wasn't even running his own diaper drawer by then.

And then Jimbo OFFICIALLY takes over, and in his first 3 years? TEN losses.

It wasn't until Winston showed up that Jimbo's fortunes really improved. So lets stop acting like Jimbo is some sort of Demigod that parted the Red Sea in Tallahassee and saved them from wandering the desert when he arrived. Jimbo was basically running that program for 6 years before he did **** up there. And his first 5 were a total disaster.

FSU in Jimbo's first 3 years won 10+ games twice, won their division of the ACC twice, and won the ACC. Just stop. Basically every coach that has done great things at their school in the BCS era has won pretty big within 4 years, and that's the bottom line that isn't debatable.

Jimbo got to FSU in 2007. They went 7-6. Bobby was nothing but a figure head that they let stay on so he could try to get that "winningest coach" B.S. over Paterno. Absolutely NO ONE believed Bobby was running anything at the end. Jimbo was basically the defacto coach, and was brought in specifically as the HC in waiting to officially take over when Bobby was finally nudged out/retired because no one wanted to embarrass the "legend" who was a senile drooling fool at that point.

Jimbo had a THREE year head start in recruiting who he wanted, and putting in his systems before he had to take any responsibility for the losses and mistakes made in the program. FSU lost SIXTEEN games the first three years Jimbo was at FSU with him as the defacto HC. And in the three years AFTER he took over officially, they lost another TEN games. 26 losses with Jimbo officially, or unofficially running the program at FSU in the first 6 years. And it wasn't until year 6 that he had a solid season and the fans stopped ****ing.

You're a dishonest, misleading liar. You sound ridiculous.

Fisher was not effectively "running" the program the first few years he was there.. If he had been, then he wouldn't have made the changes he made when he took over. When Fisher took over, he completely revamped the defense and strength programs and even tweaked the offense. Got rid of Mickey Andrews, Chuck Amato, brought in a whole new S&C program, also brought in a new QB guy, etc. If he had been effectively running the program, then he wouldn't have had to make the loads of changes he did. And those changes resulted in 2 atlantic titles, 2 10+ win seasons, and an ACC title within 3 years, and a national title in 4. So shut the **** up, quit posting bull****, and realize that you have no clue what you're talking about.

Secondly, Fisher is far from the only example of coaches who turned around their programs within 4 years--so you crying about him having the chance to recruit whom he wanted doesn't mean anything. It's not like he did something nobody else has because he had an advantage over others. The list of elite coaches who turned around their programs does not end at Fisher and others did it even quicker.

Just go away. You never make a valid point, you're full of crap, and you're dishonest to boot.
 
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waste of a season & talent.


Dorsett, Duke, Flowers, Armbrister, Walford, Perryman, Mongo, Chick, Gunter, etc. all gone.

I'm concerned if we can fill these holes next year and there's nothing to show me that we will turn those missed opportunties into capitalized moments.

Just curios how did those guys get good? Most, according to this board were JAGS, out of high school.

Can you back this up with a link? Or is it just some lost ***** you pulled out of your ******?
 
Golden doesnt hate to lose? How do you know this... Do you know saba at this point in his coaching career at mich st didnt even make a bowl game?

When saban took over mich st they went on probation. Oh yea, his first year they beat a pretty good mich team. Something golden hasn't done. Btw, he also beat number ohio st at the shoe....not his first year but you get the point. When making a comparison please make sure comparison is valid.

You would be better off comparing golden to Dan Hawkins when he was at Colorado.
 
Shadow? Cool, great experience. Golden was a HEAD coach for 5 seasons.

And I love pointing out his losses, let's ignore the 2 double digit win seasons, 3 bowl game wins, and 2 ACC titles. Good lord.

Yes, but you are really going to compare Temple to Florida State?? Jimbo was brought in to be the HC in waiting, and was the defacto HC at FSU while Bobby was drooling on himself and everyone was waiting for him to just retire because no one wanted to 'push out the legend".

Jimbo showed up in 2007, and in his first 3 seasons, FSU went on to have 2 of the WORST seasons in 40 years. Losing SIXTEEN games those 3 years. People were ready to HANG Jimbo at FSU, but Bobby took the blame, even though he wasn't even running his own diaper drawer by then.

And then Jimbo OFFICIALLY takes over, and in his first 3 years? TEN losses.

It wasn't until Winston showed up that Jimbo's fortunes really improved. So lets stop acting like Jimbo is some sort of Demigod that parted the Red Sea in Tallahassee and saved them from wandering the desert when he arrived. Jimbo was basically running that program for 6 years before he did **** up there. And his first 5 were a total disaster.

FSU in Jimbo's first 3 years won 10+ games twice, won their division of the ACC twice, and won the ACC. Just stop. Basically every coach that has done great things at their school in the BCS era has won pretty big within 4 years, and that's the bottom line that isn't debatable.

Jimbo got to FSU in 2007. They went 7-6. Bobby was nothing but a figure head that they let stay on so he could try to get that "winningest coach" B.S. over Paterno. Absolutely NO ONE believed Bobby was running anything at the end. Jimbo was basically the defacto coach, and was brought in specifically as the HC in waiting to officially take over when Bobby was finally nudged out/retired because no one wanted to embarrass the "legend" who was a senile drooling fool at that point.

Jimbo had a THREE year head start in recruiting who he wanted, and putting in his systems before he had to take any responsibility for the losses and mistakes made in the program. FSU lost SIXTEEN games the first three years Jimbo was at FSU with him as the defacto HC. And in the three years AFTER he took over officially, they lost another TEN games. 26 losses with Jimbo officially, or unofficially running the program at FSU in the first 6 years. And it wasn't until year 6 that he had a solid season and the fans stopped ****ing.

You're a dishonest, misleading liar. You sound ridiculous.

Fisher was not effectively "running" the program the first few years he was there.. If he had been, then he wouldn't have made the changes he made when he took over. When Fisher took over, he completely revamped the defense and strength programs and even tweaked the offense. Got rid of Mickey Andrews, Chuck Amato, brought in a whole new S&C program, also brought in a new QB guy, etc. If he had been effectively running the program, then he wouldn't have had to make the loads of changes he did. And those changes resulted in 2 atlantic titles, 2 10+ win seasons, and an ACC title within 3 years, and a national title in 4. So shut the **** up, quit posting bull****, and realize that you have no clue what you're talking about.

Secondly, Fisher is far from the only example of coaches who turned around their programs within 4 years--so you crying about him having the chance to recruit whom he wanted doesn't mean anything. It's not like he did something nobody else has because he had an advantage over others. The list of elite coaches who turned around their programs does not end at Fisher and others did it even quicker.

Just go away. You never make a valid point, you're full of crap, and you're dishonest to boot.


You know you suck when the people defending you have to lie.
 
I don't have the stomach to read this entire thread but let me leave you with these wise words- "When one door closes, another opens.....at Yankee Stadium for the The Pinstripe Bowl. WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!".

Or maybe that was a door at some bowl in El Paso. Whatever.
 
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The one question mark (Kaaya) turned into an exclamation point.

There were a heck of a lot more question marks than that. Our interior defensive linemen are not special. Not close to special. That figured to regulate the team and be particularly troublesome against certain opponents. It did and it was.

There's great upside in running straight ahead and relentless in college football. We are not capable of denying all of those teams, particularly on the road. Nebraska ran smack at us on their home field just like Wisconsin ran smack at Nebraska on their home field. If we're using Wisconsin's success in that game as proof that Nebraska was fraudulent and mediocre, it's beyond laughable to ignore the identical characteristics of our game at Lincoln and assign everything to coaching and failure to adjust.

We have lost every game as assigned underdog and won every game as assigned favorite. For all the whining, there's quite a bit of clarity given that reality. True freshman quarterbacks rarely start, especially at power programs. When that power program faces lots of strenuous road games early in the season, success in them is not likely. Did we fail to adjust, or was our true freshman quarterback simply an underdog to match second half points on the road against teams that outmanned us in the trenches, or at home against the defending Heisman Trophy winner.

Actually I shouldn't say Georgia Tech outmans us in the trenches. They have a very skilled guard, and some active types who have improved as the season progressed. We outman Georgia Tech. That loss is the annoying failure of the season. But the triple option when guided by a quarterback of Justin Thomas' level allows a program to outplay its talent level. That has always been the case and always will be the case, even if very, very few teams use that offense anymore, after it fell out of favor and fewer young coaches even know how to teach it.

BTW, is Georgia Tech really the reference point we want, for any type of offensive or defensive scheme? How Georgia Tech goes, so goes the nation. They define college football. It reads absurd but somehow the goofs who dismiss the triple option as high school football or worse have no problem using Georgia Tech's results as their guideline. They are silent now but once that team inevitably falls off they'll spit out the familiar themes again. My theme is that anybody running that offense is a favorite to cover the spread more often than not, particularly in the right matchups, so I applaud that team.

IMO, three aspects stand out from this Canes season:

1) From the outset it was obvious that we are fielding far fewer stiffs than recent seasons. Terrific sign, and figures to continue along the same lines. For all the top guys we've had everybody prefers to ignore the plodders who were not Canes caliber, like the 1-year transfers we've been forced to pursue and actually play

2) Brad Kaaya, obviously. Fantastic ability to choose exactly the proper arc and pace for the evolving requirements of the play. That is extremely rare, at his age or any age. Makes the proper read much more often than not. Prioritizes downfield instead of scared tendency to throw weak check downs, which are not much better than 3rd down screens. Yeah, he needs to significantly improve his sense of urgency, recognition of play clock realities and situational needs along those lines, like whether or not to rush an extra play at the end of a quarter that is winding down. I'm not going to give him a pass and conclude those facets will automatically fall in line with the rest of his game. We'll see. As I've posted, Coley should give him occasional calls that are designed to be snapped early on the play clock

3) Defensive yards per play. That category is a stalwart, hinting at direction. Florida State upon Fisher's promotion dropped its number substantially, and retained the trend. That was ominous. In our case in 2014 the stat improved early even though our schedule was hardly cupcake. Despite all the calls for 500+ yards the yards per play number indicated we had reached another level in terms of smarts and intensity. I still think we are somewhat of a fragile 4.6 but if I'd been told we'd have those digits with 3 games remaining I wouldn't have stopped grinning three months ago. Low yards per play allowed is a first step toward high preseason ranking, and high preseason ranking is the next step toward legitimacy.
 
On the kaaya pick after watching it again, I think he should've lofted it over the dbs head and let Phillip run it down instead of trying to fit it in a tight window.
 
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