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Michigan State finds success with under-the-radar recruits

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Cool story. The truth is that Bama, Ohio State, and FSU have been rattling off top 3-5 classes year and year out. They've won 8 of last 9 championships. This is counting Urban getting top player in Tebow at UF. Yes you can compete, but to do it year and year out, you need better recruits than your conference with elite coaching.
 
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So Alabama, FSU, Ohio State, LSU, actually winning championships with 4 & 5 star recruits means nothing?

It doesn't matter how many times you make this thread elite players win championships, elite players are 4&5 star.
 
u need 4 and 5 stars but no team has a class that is just 4 and 5 stars. the 4 and 5 stars have to be at certain positions too. u can get a great cb with a 3 star, dline is where 4 and 5 stars usually matter. qb is one where 3 and even 2 stars in mariota can become stars. rbs u want 4 or 5 stars cause those guys are studs same with wr.

oline, te, lb 3 stars are ok and not every class has all 4 or 5 stars. every class is usually at best half 4/5 stars and the rest 3 stars or lower.
 
da truth said:
Michigan State Spartans find success with under-the-radar recruits
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I was actually preparing post on this. It's amazing what they've done. The idea that you can't find hidden gems anymore is bull****. Michigan State is consistently finding premier NFL prospects in the rough.

Stars matter but they are just part of the puzzle.

According to the 247 Team Talent Composite, which compiles the star rankings on a team's roster, three of the four teams in the Playoff were not in the Top 10. They are actually closer to Miami than Alabama (Clemson 13th, Oklahoma 19th, Miami 20th, MSU 23rd).
 
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good we didn't get Dalvin Cook, Calvin Ridley, Amari Cooper, Patrick Peterson, Alex Collins, Sony Michel and those other 4&5 star recruits. We are better off with the D'Mauri Jones's and Ryan Mayes of the recruiting pools
 
Comma7201 said:
So Alabama, FSU, Ohio State, LSU, actually winning championships with 4 & 5 star recruits means nothing?

It doesn't matter how many times you make this thread elite players win championships, elite players are 4&5 star.
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the article is more about how great a coach dantonio is at developing players then it is a knock on the star system. Maybe read the article next time?
 
Comma7201 said:
So Alabama, FSU, Ohio State, LSU, actually winning championships with 4 & 5 star recruits means nothing?

It doesn't matter how many times you make this thread elite players win championships, elite players are 4&5 star.
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yep.

Although you can still be elite with a bunch of 3 stars like TCU, Baylor, Oregon, Stanford. Its about evaluating and development if the elite guys are unattainable.
 
DMoney said:
da truth said:
Michigan State Spartans find success with under-the-radar recruits
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I was actually preparing post on this. It's amazing what they've done. The idea that you can't find hidden gems anymore is bull****. Michigan State is consistently finding premier NFL prospects in the rough.

Stars matter but they are just part of the puzzle.

According to the 247 Team Talent Composite, which compiles the star rankings on a team's roster, three of the four teams in the Playoff were not in the Top 10. They are actually closer to Miami than Alabama (Clemson 13th, Oklahoma 19th, Miami 20th, MSU 23rd).
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But home many SFL players do the playoff teams have?
 
Angry Ibis said:
But home many SFL players do the playoff teams have?
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Starting receiver for Michigan State and one of their running backs, starting WR and CB for Alabama and a stud S for Oklahoma. Clemson mostly sticks to Southwest Florida but two of their best players are from there.
 
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DMoney said:
Angry Ibis said:
But home many SFL players do the playoff teams have?
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Starting receiver for Michigan State and one of their running backs, starting WR and CB for Alabama and a stud S for Oklahoma. Clemson mostly sticks to Southwest Florida but two of their best players are from there.
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and practically every one you mentioned was a highly sought after 4 or 5 Star recruit...
 
If you evaluate them properly and coach them up the right way it's doable. At a school like Michigan State it's likely the only way to success as it's a basketball school and hard to attract top talent to a program with limited football tradition. What they've done in the last few years will only help top kids to look their way. Golden trying to do that at Miami is inexcusable as we have everything needed to pull top talent. Golden just didn't want to compete with the big boys for top kids and evaluated the hidden gems poorly and certainly didn't coach them up.
 
I think the misconception is that the ratings reflect 4-5 stars being the better player, it doesn't. Even the guys who do the ratings have said so. It's about PROJECTION. The 4 and 5-star guys are the better ATHLETES, not necessarily the better players. It's why you will see a 6'2 receiver with 4.4 speed and 500 receiving yards be rated higher than a 5'8 receiver with 4.6 speed who put up a 1,000 yards. The 6'2 guy projects better and thus gets the higher rating. Or how a guy like Jeff Driskel can throw for 1,400 yards yet still be rated a 5-star because he has all the measurables. Another example of this is the kid Dealin Hayes committed to ND. He's played in something like 9 games his entire HS career, yet he's a 5-star linebacker. Why? Because he's 6'2, 220 and runs a 4.5. Tons of other players have proven to be better PLAYERS but they don't have the rating he does. Yet if/when Kelly is able to take that talent and mold him into a productive player, people will credit the stars and not the coaching.

It's not about the ratings themselves specifically. Look at where the 'stars' are going, they're going to play for the best coaches. The top coaches recruit athletes first and then mold them. Stars generally tell you how athletic a guy is, not how good of a player he is. That is not the intent of the star system. Again, they've made it clear numerous times the stars gauge POTENTIAL based on athletic ability. The coaches who can mold that raw talent and win like a Saban or Meyer is the difference, it's about the coach not any stars.
 
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B.B.B said:
DMoney said:
Angry Ibis said:
But home many SFL players do the playoff teams have?
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Starting receiver for Michigan State and one of their running backs, starting WR and CB for Alabama and a stud S for Oklahoma. Clemson mostly sticks to Southwest Florida but two of their best players are from there.
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and practically every one you mentioned was a highly sought after 4 or 5 Star recruit...
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Not really. Ahmad Thomas, MacGarrett Kings, Eddie Jackson and Madre London were all composite 3 stars.
 
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