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Miami's NFL Domination

Rellyrell said:
I find myself rewatching that game a lot, trying to wrap & justify wtf the refs saw. Then after watch ND v. Clemson when they called a catch on a crucial down, when the ball clearly hit the ground, I realized that there is no justification for that **** poor of a call on CG’s blown TD. That’s what refs in South Bend do.
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The head official came out right afterwards and admitted they messed up big time. I kept the newspaper clipping until it fell apart. He admitted it should have been Miami's ball 1st and goal at the one.
 
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ThomasM said:
The head official came out right afterwards and admitted they messed up big time. I kept the newspaper clipping until it fell apart. He admitted it should have been Miami's ball 1st and goal at the one.
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And that’s another thing that bothers me. I hate chit coming out after the fact. Doesn’t change that we are missing another trophy in our case.
 
Ethnicsands said:
It’s been a long time since we’ve sent a significant pro to the league. Gore and one or both of wayne and aj will make the HOF. Don’t see Wilfork or Hester getting it. Who else? We’re a long way from 13 guys. And our guys ain’t piling up pro bowls so much anymore. going to take a new generation and another run to catch up the teams ahead of us on these lists.
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Devin H is getting in. He's the best in class and the rule changes mean no one will ever touch his kickoff return numbers. If he doesn't get in then no one can get in from that position.
 
CashMoneyCane said:
LMFAO at Hester not getting in. The best to ever do a given thing, by far, and the most dangerous man in football for like three years straight. We may never see a Super Bowl opening kick go back again in our lives. Spare me the "specialists don't make it" crap.

Wayne is also a no-brainer, and Johnson probably makes it as well. Only things really hurting Dre are low TD numbers and no rings. But he was an absolute beast on a lousy team for a few seasons, and did all the off-field stuff the HoF committee loves.
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lmao. Okay man. Make your own rules up.
 
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JeddTheFisch said:
Devin H is getting in. He's the best in class and the rule changes mean no one will ever touch his kickoff return numbers. If he doesn't get in then no one can get in from that position.
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No one ever has gotten in as a return specialist far as I know.
 
Rellyrell said:
And that’s another thing that bothers me. I hate chit coming out after the fact. Doesn’t change that we are missing another trophy in our case.
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Want to hear what really gets me? In 1988 they insisted WVU was deserving to have their shot at ND and a title since they were undefeated. However, when 1993 rolled around, they didn't deserve a shot at the title over a one loss FSU team.
 
ThomasM said:
Want to hear what really gets me? In 1988 they insisted WVU was deserving to have their shot at ND and a title since they were undefeated. However, when 1993 rolled around, they didn't deserve a shot at the title over a one loss FSU team.
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Yeah man; see....I battle between my hate. I’m not sure which team I hate more: PSU, UF, or ND. However, my hate for PSU (on the gridiron) is waning since we don’t play them like that anymore.
 
Ethnicsands said:
It’s been a long time since we’ve sent a significant pro to the league. Gore and one or both of wayne and aj will make the HOF. Don’t see Wilfork or Hester getting it. Who else? We’re a long way from 13 guys. And our guys ain’t piling up pro bowls so much anymore. going to take a new generation and another run to catch up the teams ahead of us on these lists.
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You don’t think Olsen has a chance?
 
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ThomasM said:
The head official came out right afterwards and admitted they messed up big time. I kept the newspaper clipping until it fell apart. He admitted it should have been Miami's ball 1st and goal at the one.
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Yes. What alot of people don't realize is that it wasn't called a fumble. The refs thought it was 4th and goal and called him down at the one and turnover on downs. problem was it wasn't goal to go and where they marked him was a first down. Jimmy was flipping out trying to explain it to them but they didn't listen, should have been 1st and goal at the one on the next play.

Jimmy has talked about it, the refs admitted it after the game.
 
canes1996 said:
Same, but I also can’t watch:

- Sean T getting the ball taken from him by Clarrett in that same game.
- Testaverde throw his eleven-teenth INT to end the 86 Pedo State game (to a guy named “Giftopolus” of all things).
- Lamar Thomas versus George Teague.
- Hail Flutie.
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Another '02 Natty Nugget...
4th and 14 in OT
Krenzel's 7th and final completion on the night.
 
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canecane232323 said:
Yes. What alot of people don't realize is that it wasn't called a fumble. The refs thought it was 4th and goal and called him down at the one and turnover on downs. problem was it wasn't goal to go and where they marked him was a first down. Jimmy was flipping out trying to explain it to them but they didn't listen, should have been 1st and goal at the one on the next play.

Jimmy has talked about it, the refs admitted it after the game.
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That ref seemed to be real excited to be stabbing at the air, pointing the other way.
 
canes1996 said:
Could have won the natty on that play. Ugh...I blame Blake Baker! Lol.
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Yes, It should have never gotten to 4th and goal from the 3.

Taylor had Gamble over.
If Sharpe stays under and squats at the sticks he's a hero.
Check out ST's reaction after the completion.
 
This thread got me looking back at our run.

From 1987--2005, we produced 6 HOFers, 3 soon to be HOFers (Wayne, AJ and Gore) + 2 guys who would surely have been if they hadn't died early (JB, ST). And 2 possibly could get there in Wilfork and Hester.

Beyond those guys, we produced 2 Heisman winners, a No. 1 overall pick, a Thorpe Award winner (Blades), Butkus, Nagurski and Bednarik award winner (Morgan), Outland Trophy winner (McKinnie), Mackey award winner (KWII), Tatum winner / unanimous AA (Rolle), a 10,000 yard nfl rusher (Portis) and one 8500 yard guy (McGahee), and that's not counting Olsen or Shockey, or a couple Heisman runners up /finalists and a bunch of first round picks.

It's really hard to explain that run and it biases this fan base's expectations a lot.

IMO with distance, it looks in retrospect more like culture culture culture than anything else. If we can't get that culture back, we can't get that type of outperformance back.

Looking back on the culture, the comment that stands out as a sign of the change was 'those guys are on scholarship, too.' Can't imagine Ed Reed saying that.
 
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NJshoreCane said:
That ref seemed to be real excited to be stabbing at the air, pointing the other way.
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From news article at the time. I can find more proof if you like

"The ruling occurred on a fourth-and-7 play at the Notre Dame 11. Miami's Cleveland Gary caught a pass, fell at the 1 and lost control of the ball as he tried to hold it over the goal line. A Notre Dame player fell on the ball at the 3. ... The ruling was the ball went over on downs."

"In my mind, I believe we probably made a mistake in giving Notre Dame the football," the official told the News. "There was confusion as to whether there was a fumble or not, but there was also a great question about giving Notre Dame the football over on downs. That's why they got the football.

"There was no fumble. The ruling was the ball went over on downs. We were wrong in doing it, but the truth is we just had a very bad day."

The official, from the Collegiate Independent Football Officials Association, asked not to be identified because CIFOA policy dictates that officials not comment on calls they make.

The confusion is amplified by the fact that Notre Dame was given the ball at the 1, not the 3 where it recovered. That would indicate the officials believed Miami had been stopped on downs, when in fact they only had to get to the 4 for a first down.

 
Ethnicsands said:
It’s been a long time since we’ve sent a significant pro to the league. Gore and one or both of wayne and aj will make the HOF. Don’t see Wilfork or Hester getting it. Who else? We’re a long way from 13 guys. And our guys ain’t piling up pro bowls so much anymore. going to take a new generation and another run to catch up the teams ahead of us on these lists.
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wilfork is a mortal lock.
 
JgDaCane said:
wilfork is a mortal lock.
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That's just not true. Hope he gets it. Won't be easy. He's a 1x first team all pro. I think he merits it, but NT is a tough position to make it from because don't get a lot of stats. 2 SB titles help. 3x second team all pro helps. But it's not an obvious choice.
 
Ethnicsands said:
That's just not true. Hope he gets it. Won't be easy. He's a 1x first team all pro. I think he merits it, but NT is a tough position to make it from because don't get a lot of stats. 2 SB titles help. 3x second team all pro helps. But it's not an obvious choice.
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Care to wager?
 
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