miami picked to finish third in the conference

[WeBallinBoyz]

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I mean it’s a harsh title…but is it wrong? Serious question, based on the performance and results on the field.

If we go look back at the threads when Cristobal was hired, we had people on both sides of the fence…but NO ONE expected a losing record after two years.

Also the key word here is “so far”. Not set in stone, not by a long shot.

 

[RVACane]

Dammit man, you made me look at Angry Ibis' post. I have him and Cway on ignore until after the UF game. Just helps me manage my high blood pressure. But you had to reply to him and mention me, so of course I opened his post, and he's still at it.

To be fair, this thread (picked to be 3rd in conference) makes sense to call out Mario for those who don't agree with his coaching ability. When you have the preseason POTY in Ward and another handful of preseason first team all ACC along with another handful who arguably could have made that list, then yeah, your team should be predicted to be 1st in the conference, at least second ahead of a team you beat last year. Which means there are a lot of doubters as to whether this coaching staff can fully exploit the talent they've accumulated.

I hope Mario (and Dawson and Guidry) proves the doubters wrong.

Your avatar doesn’t cut it. I have no idea what it is but I’m making this your gif images for now until I see something in an avi you use that works for me

 

[Rellyrell]

I mean it’s a harsh title…but is it wrong? Serious question, based on the performance and results on the field.

If we go look back at the threads when Cristobal was hired, we had people on both sides of the fence…but NO ONE expected a losing record after two years.

Also the key word here is “so far”. Not set in stone, not by a long shot.

As I’ve been preaching to friends, two things can true at the same time.

If u’re a true Hurricanes fan u can’t say u’re satisfied with the results, thus far; but, at the same time, u can’t deny the talent acquisition so far which gives u hope that this yr & beyond can be different.

That article was fair, & reasonable, & Mario can prove everyone wrong this yr, & w/ this roster construct, I fully expect us to have a great yr w/ 10+ wins. If that happens, no one would remotely bat an eye at the 1st two yrs.

 

[Angry Ibis]

As I’ve been preaching to friends, two things can true at the same time.

If u’re a true Hurricanes fan u can’t say u’re satisfied with the results, thus far; but, at the same time, u can’t deny the talent acquisition so far which gives u hope that this yr & beyond can be different.

That article was fair, & reasonable, & Mario can prove everyone wrong this yr, & w/ this roster construct, I fully expect us to have a great yr w/ 10+ wins. If that happens, no one would remotely bat an eye at the 1st two yrs.

Agreed. I don't think it is as complicated as some make it out to be... the first 2 years were largely unacceptable with some horrendous losses in year one, a braindead loss in year 2, and in game approaches that were head scratching at best.

None of that stopped Mario on the trail from building a very strong roster, with excellent players at key positions on offense.

It starts again 8/31, go out, win games, no dumb losses, coach with confidence, play with confidence, 10+ wins and let's ******* go!

 

[Sabetta]

Ironically he has gotten two coach of the year honors when in Sun Belt with FIU and PAC 10 with Oregon. I think that legitimizes him, especially at FIU with a team he had to build from the ground up. He is on the verge of doing the same here.

I agree to a point but we should be over .500 in ACC play up until this point and that is costing him credibility with the entire media outside of Pate and a couple others. The consensus seems to be, the roster is loaded, Ward is a stud but Mario….

 

[grover]

Have you guys ever considered that Manny left a team that was just THAT bad. Now that we know what a real OL looks like, can anyone honestly believe we had the OL we did when Mario took over? Was anyone really surprised at our 5-7 season in hindsight? Now I know the talent was better than 7-5 last year. But other than Ga Tech, can you really put any of the other losses on Mario and staff?

TVD, whom most of us including myself believed was going to have an NFL money year, was a total basket case, a disaster. Our two five stars performed exactly like they got graded out by the NFL. Our RBs were completely average, we had no TEs, our LB outside of Kiko were meh, Davis was abused at CB, at one point our DL was so decimated we played a 3-3-5 out of necessity, even Kam got beaten multiple times. And at the same time as all of that, we had guys like Brashard pouting and George losing it on the field.

For this season, I've been saying Vegas got the outlook right at 9.5, meaning we are most likely to win 9 or 10 games. But we just keep loading. The post-Spring portalers are the truth, the 2024 kids are the truth, everyone's back from injury ... we're now so talented that a 9 win season would be a fail for nearly everyone on this board, certainly for the team. We're all expecting 10 wins or more.

Seems to me like Mario is doing a lot of things right. Mario has been a winner his entire career. Maybe, just maybe, he knows how to win at Miami, too?

 

[Ajcane8]

Have you guys ever considered that Manny left a team that was just THAT bad. Now that we know what a real OL looks like, can anyone honestly believe we had the OL we did when Mario took over? Was anyone really surprised at our 5-7 season in hindsight? Now I know the talent was better than 7-5 last year. But other than Ga Tech, can you really put any of the other losses on Mario and staff?

TVD, whom most of us including myself believed was going to have an NFL money year, was a total basket case, a disaster. Our two five stars performed exactly like they got graded out by the NFL. Our RBs were completely average, we had no TEs, our LB outside of Kiko were meh, Davis was abused at CB, at one point our DL was so decimated we played a 3-3-5 out of necessity, even Kam got beaten multiple times. And at the same time as all of that, we had guys like Brashard pouting and George losing it on the field.

For this season, I've been saying Vegas got the outlook right at 9.5, meaning we are most likely to win 9 or 10 games. But we just keep loading. The post-Spring portalers are the truth, the 2024 kids are the truth, everyone's back from injury ... we're now so talented that a 9 win season would be a fail for nearly everyone on this board, certainly for the team. We're all expecting 10 wins or more.

Seems to me like Mario is doing a lot of things right. Mario has been a winner his entire career. Maybe, just maybe, he knows how to win at Miami, too?

Good luck with this one brother.

There will still be a few people here saying “yeah, but mtsu” when we are lifting #6.

 

[Salt]

I agree to a point but we should be over .500 in ACC play up until this point and that is costing him credibility with the entire media outside of Pate and a couple others. The consensus seems to be, the roster is loaded, Ward is a stud but Mario….

He is more a program builder and is a decent talent evaluator. Good coaches will always gravitate to him because of his ability to recruit; he has a pretty decent coaching tree. As long as he sticks to his strengths and delegates to others what he is weak at we should be fine.

 

[Cylo]

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gonna learn about fsu out the gate vs. tech ...

I don't get the FSU hype by the media. They lost so many good players from last years team and replaced them with a bunch of unknowns. Va Tech is way too low at 6. We learn a lot about Va Tech when they play Rutgers and Marshall. If they want people to take them serious they gotta beat both of them. Overall I'm fine where everybody at

 

[Cylo]

Fair overall.

We absolutely should not lose to Cal, Duke, Cuse or Wake. Don’t care when the games are played, what spot it is…we should be a double-digit fave against all four of them.

GT is a wildcard here. Their record won’t be great because their schedule is absurdly difficult (easily top 10 nationally), but they are more than capable of springing an upset or two this year. Could be Week 0…

I'm glad u mention GA Tech schedule. I have them going 6-6 at best and I actually think they have a good team but that schedule is by far the toughest in the ACC. They play Miami, FSU, Louisville, UNC and NC State. Everybody else in the ACC has a pretty good schedule except Ga Tech. Then throw in they play Norte Dame and Georgia in the non conference game. If they go 6-6 they should be really happy with that.

 

[Cylo]

We were very lucky to win that game. Emory was terrible in the first half (rightfully so).

The Clemson QB wasn't that much better. Miami just outplayed them in the 2nd half and OT. I would say Mario outcoached Dabo. We were down by 10 points in the 4th quarter and won the game. Plan was simple and thats dare Cade Klubnik to beat us. Miami didn't get lucky they out physicaled them and won that game in a old school 90s style of football

 

[ageezy]

I don't get the FSU hype by the media. They lost so many good players from last years team and replaced them with a bunch of unknowns. Va Tech is way too low at 6. We learn a lot about Va Tech when they play Rutgers and Marshall. If they want people to take them serious they gotta beat both of them. Overall I'm fine where everybody at

fsu qb play is gonna take a HUGE step back

 

[Rellyrell]

Have you guys ever considered that Manny left a team that was just THAT bad. Now that we know what a real OL looks like, can anyone honestly believe we had the OL we did when Mario took over? Was anyone really surprised at our 5-7 season in hindsight? Now I know the talent was better than 7-5 last year. But other than Ga Tech, can you really put any of the other losses on Mario and staff?

TVD, whom most of us including myself believed was going to have an NFL money year, was a total basket case, a disaster. Our two five stars performed exactly like they got graded out by the NFL. Our RBs were completely average, we had no TEs, our LB outside of Kiko were meh, Davis was abused at CB, at one point our DL was so decimated we played a 3-3-5 out of necessity, even Kam got beaten multiple times. And at the same time as all of that, we had guys like Brashard pouting and George losing it on the field.

For this season, I've been saying Vegas got the outlook right at 9.5, meaning we are most likely to win 9 or 10 games. But we just keep loading. The post-Spring portalers are the truth, the 2024 kids are the truth, everyone's back from injury ... we're now so talented that a 9 win season would be a fail for nearly everyone on this board, certainly for the team. We're all expecting 10 wins or more.

Seems to me like Mario is doing a lot of things right. Mario has been a winner his entire career. Maybe, just maybe, he knows how to win at Miami, too?

1. U don’t go from 7-5 to 5-7 & say we shouldn’t be surprised at the results when:
a. The rhetoric surrounding the 2021-22 team was “if” we had a real coach, that was really a 9-10 win team

b. The 2021-22 team, as mentioned, went 7-5; the avg. margin of defeat for this team was 12 ppg (3 of those 5 losses were 3 points or less). That team faced opponents that went a combined 87-66 on the season, with 5 opponents finishing in the top 20.

The 2022-23 team went 5-7, the avg. margin of defeat for this team was 21 ppg (4 of those 7 losses were 21+ points). That team faced opponents that went a combined 81-70 on the season, with 2 opponents finishing in the top 20, & 1 in the top 25.

c. The 2022-23 team sent 3 players to the draft
Tyrique Stevenson (2nd Rd.)
Will Mallory (5th Rd.)
DJ Ivey (7th Rd.)

Admittedly, this wasn’t a lot of players, but by comparison to the opponent’s on our schedule:

-BCU (0) W
-So. Miss (1) W
-A&M (3) L
-MTSU (0) L
-UNC (4) L
-VT (1) W
-Duke (0) L
-UVA (1) W
-FSU (1) L
-GT (1) W
-Clemson (6) L
-Pitt (6) L

Out of our 12 opponents, only 3 had more drafted players than us, with one tied.

2. I’m not sure what kind of QB TVD will be at Wisconsin, but the TVD that Mario inherited was
-ACC ROY
-ACC O-ROY
-2900+ yrds on a 9.0 ypr 25 TDs / 6 ints 160.1 rating

He actually got sacked more in 2021 than 2022 & 2022, but the efficiency declined tremendously, including his ypr.

So listen, again, what happened in 2022 should NEVER be excused, justified, reasoned, revised. It was total bull ****. 2023 was an uneven season, & who knows what happens if the GT debacle doesn’t take place. NEVERTHELESS, on paper, this is the best team we’ve fielded at some very key positions. We know what we have, & the expectations are making it to the ACCCG w/ this roster + schedule.

I’m not saying winning it or even making a CFP Final 12, but making it to the title game is NOT unreasonable.

Oh btw, the only reason why Vegas has us at 9.5 & not 10 has nothing to do w/ the roster, buddy, & that’s a fact. I’ve listened relentlessly to money shows & the ? is about Mario.

 

[bobbydigius]

Have you guys ever considered that Manny left a team that was just THAT bad. Now that we know what a real OL looks like, can anyone honestly believe we had the OL we did when Mario took over? Was anyone really surprised at our 5-7 season in hindsight? Now I know the talent was better than 7-5 last year. But other than Ga Tech, can you really put any of the other losses on Mario and staff?

TVD, whom most of us including myself believed was going to have an NFL money year, was a total basket case, a disaster. Our two five stars performed exactly like they got graded out by the NFL. Our RBs were completely average, we had no TEs, our LB outside of Kiko were meh, Davis was abused at CB, at one point our DL was so decimated we played a 3-3-5 out of necessity, even Kam got beaten multiple times. And at the same time as all of that, we had guys like Brashard pouting and George losing it on the field.

For this season, I've been saying Vegas got the outlook right at 9.5, meaning we are most likely to win 9 or 10 games. But we just keep loading. The post-Spring portalers are the truth, the 2024 kids are the truth, everyone's back from injury ... we're now so talented that a 9 win season would be a fail for nearly everyone on this board, certainly for the team. We're all expecting 10 wins or more.

Seems to me like Mario is doing a lot of things right. Mario has been a winner his entire career. Maybe, just maybe, he knows how to win at Miami, too?

Yes, 22 was a disaster and it had nothing to do with talent and everything to do with bad coaching hires and coaching through out the year.

 

[ricardomejias]

FSU look very pedestrian this year, they dont have look of playoff team at all, more like 8-4.

 

[Hurracanes]

The Clemson QB wasn't that much better. Miami just outplayed them in the 2nd half and OT. I would say Mario outcoached Dabo. We were down by 10 points in the 4th quarter and won the game. Plan was simple and thats dare Cade Klubnik to beat us. Miami didn't get lucky they out physicaled them and won that game in a old school 90s style of football

Clemson doesn’t turn the ball over, they win that game. It’s football 101. Let’s not act like because Miami beat Clemson “with Emory” in a fluky OT game like we have their number as the poster emphasized. Clemson is still going to be good this season, especially on defense.

 

[E1k]

We are 3rd here because fsu and clemson are more trustworthy to have successful seasons than we are right now. Its not a mario thing imo, its a miami thing at this point lol

Once we prove we aren’t just off season warriors we will get more respect

 

[JD08]

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A real newspaper? What are you? 90?

 

[gordonsolie]

A real newspaper? What are you? 90?

Higher

 

[the storm]

FSU look very pedestrian this year, they dont have look of playoff team at all, more like 8-4.

Best thing on their team this year is the punter.