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BWCD said:
Not denying that...just saying that if the numbers were updated after nearly a DECADE of data creep, those numbers would look markedly different considering UA's struggles and Adidas winning more apparel contracts over the years and having their own renaissance for a while in the industry. Nike's still top dog - you just didn't have to post an 8+ year old article to "prove" it.

Context matters when it comes to data. I also don't believe that's all the data that's out there...that's just all you could find in a swift Google search that backs up your POV. Big difference.
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OK, prepare to have your methodology flipped back on yourself.

Since 2015, name all of the "more apparel contracts" that adidas has won from Nike.

I'll wait.

Maybe adidas has picked up some UA or Russell or Lululemon schools. But I'd like to hear about all the Nike schools they snatched, as that would be the only relevant reason for a significant shift in the Nike percentage.

Other than "data creep", of course...

Please stop acting like there needs to be an annual survey taken in order for us to be able to draw any conclusions. EVERYONE knows that Nike is dominant, whether an 8 year old pie chart says it, or whether a 1 year old pie chart says it.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
First, while I respect your high standards on data and statistics, YOU MUST CHILL.

Second, while this chart is ***EIGHT YEARS OLD***, I would simply ask you what you think has changed in the past eight years. OK, maybe adidas is catching up to Under Armour...but do you HONESTLY believe that Nike has dropped from 73%?

Come on, now...
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First, no I must not. You throw out nearly decade-old data points to prove some kind of point about today, it's not valid. It's historical at best and intentionally misleading at worst. It's the principle of the thing. You don't blindly post a pie chart to make a point and then not back it up with it's source. When you don't post sources and give context to a chart like this, you get replies that are staggeringly misinformed like...I dunno...this one:

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TBH - it was actually *your reaction* to his chart that made me facepalm to ******* begin with. You saw that chart and acted like it was done recently, assuming recent data...which was false, and caused you to have a misinformed reaction. You even came *really close* to understanding the flaw in the chart by mentioning the only UA schools these days being ND/Maryland pretty much. You getting mislead like that due to faulty old data isn't good in the grand scheme of things. That's really what made me speak up is because I hate to see crap like that happen with data visualizations gone rogue.

Second, my argument isn't that Adidas is better than Nike nor that Nike has lost share. Never was, never will be. I'm not a dummy and can read the landscape of things. My simple assertion is that if you redid that same survey today among a comparable sample of HS recruits, Adidas wouldn't be as low as 7%. They'd solidly be in 2nd behind Nike and ahead of the UA's and New Balances of the world - I don't think there's much argument there among informed folks who pay attention. I don't need you putting any other kind of assertions in my mouth - I can speak for myself, thank you.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
OK, prepare to have your methodology flipped back on yourself.

Since 2015, name all of the "more apparel contracts" that adidas has won from Nike.

I'll wait.

Maybe adidas has picked up some UA or Russell or Lululemon schools. But I'd like to hear about all the Nike schools they snatched, as that would be the only relevant reason for a significant shift in the Nike percentage.

Other than "data creep", of course...

Please stop acting like there needs to be an annual survey taken in order for us to be able to draw any conclusions. EVERYONE knows that Nike is dominant, whether an 8 year old pie chart says it, or whether a 1 year old pie chart says it.
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Show me where I said Adidas stole share from Nike. I'll wait - gonna be a while since I never made such a claim. Fvck off trying to put arguments in my mouth...strawman BS.

Again - my assertion was that Adidas would likely be in 2nd place solidly, and I'd even go a step further and say that Nike would be about the same or better in the percentages given a comparable updated population. Here's the key - I'm not knocking Nike - I'm not delusional about where they are in the landscape...they're #1...I have no issue saying that. It's the misuse of old data that happened (that YOU fell for, btw) that I took issue with.
 
BWCD said:
First, no I must not. You throw out nearly decade-old data points to prove some kind of point about today, it's not valid. It's historical at best and intentionally misleading at worst. It's the principle of the thing. You don't blindly post a pie chart to make a point and then not back it up with it's source. When you don't post sources and give context to a chart like this, you get replies that are staggeringly misinformed like...I dunno...this one:

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TBH - it was actually *your reaction* to his chart that made me facepalm to ******* begin with. You saw that chart and acted like it was done recently, assuming recent data...which was false, and caused you to have a misinformed reaction. You even came *really close* to understanding the flaw in the chart by mentioning the only UA schools these days being ND/Maryland pretty much. You getting mislead like that due to faulty old data isn't good in the grand scheme of things. That's really what made me speak up is because I hate to see crap like that happen with data visualizations gone rogue.

Second, my argument isn't that Adidas is better than Nike nor that Nike has lost share. Never was, never will be. I'm not a dummy and can read the landscape of things. My simple assertion is that if you redid that same survey today among a comparable sample of HS recruits, Adidas wouldn't be as low as 7%. They'd solidly be in 2nd behind Nike and ahead of the UA's and New Balances of the world - I don't think there's much argument there among informed folks who pay attention. I don't need you putting any other kind of assertions in my mouth - I can speak for myself, thank you.
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Can I get you a tissue and will you stop crying if I retract my "Under Armour has double the interest of adidas" comment? Would that make you feel better, or maybe some warm milk?

Look, that stat is BRUTAL for adidas NO MATTER WHEN IT HAPPENED. Under Armour had its IPO in 2005 and opened its first store in 2007. If it only takes ONE DECADE (2005 to 2015) for Under Armour to DOUBLE the interest in adidas, a company that has existed (in one form or another) for 100 years, then that is STILL A BAD LOOK FOR ADIDAS.

OK, so maybe the 100 year old company is starting to recapture market share and interest from the 20 year old company. Fine. Whatever makes you happy. But Nike is still on top, by a wide margin. Maybe even a bigger margin than ***EIGHT YEARS AGO***.

But feel free to draw your own ridiculous conclusions about me "assuming it was recent data" and being "misled". That's just bull****. You have no idea who I am or what I do, but I assure you that I analyze data as well as you do, if not better. It's a god**** sports thread, though, and the chart is only 8 years old, while you have not cited ONE SINGLE STRONG REASON as to why there would be some huge deviation in the results only 8 years later. Oh, but you're so concerned with all of us being "misled" by "ancient 8 year old data".

Give it a rest.
 
CaneInMD said:
Pens fan here. But I do enjoy watching the Avs play. McKinnon, Makar, Rantanen, Toews, and Girard make them fun to watch. It unfortunate that Landeskog had to have that procedure and may never return to form, or play much at all.

I knew that Fanatics had been making the player uniforms for MLB and NHL for a bit which always blew my mind that their fan gear was such trash. They're clearly capable of making quality apparel, but the quality control or "give a ****" factor just doesnt' seem to be there for whatever reason.

I think we have the same gripes with Adidas. While I have an issue with the cuts and sizing, their selection of gear truly seems to be bad for fans. The best place I've found for gear is Caneswear. They always seem to have stuff I can't find on the other sites and more closely related to what players/staffers wear. I write this as I'm currently wearing some New Balance Fresh Foams, :ROFLMAO:
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There is always going to be player exclusive gear that we can’t get our hands on. A classic example are the team issue basketball practice shorts. If you are a hooper, you want a pair, but Adidas has made it clear that they won’t make them for consumer purchase. I ended up purchasing a couple of surplus pairs from fanatics.

The same issue is true for Nike as well. I have a colleague that is a UNC alum, I hear similar gripes from him about certain items. I will say this, Caneswear has a ton of Adidas gear and honestly, it’s more than enough. Let’s cut the nonsense, the people most likely to complain about the “Lack of stuff” are also the people LEAST likely to regularly buy new stuff anyway. That’s the funny part. It’s similar to the attendance argument. The people that whine the most about tickets and the like are the people that rarely show up to games anyway.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Can I get you a tissue and will you stop crying if I retract my "Under Armour has double the interest of adidas" comment? Would that make you feel better, or maybe some warm milk?
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Nah - keep it up there so people can see how badly you got duped by old data. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

TheOriginalCane said:
Look, that stat is BRUTAL for adidas NO MATTER WHEN IT HAPPENED. Under Armour had its IPO in 2005 and opened its first store in 2007. If it only takes ONE DECADE (2005 to 2015) for Under Armour to DOUBLE the interest in adidas, a company that has existed (in one form or another) for 100 years, then that is STILL A BAD LOOK FOR ADIDAS.

OK, so maybe the 100 year old company is starting to recapture market share and interest from the 20 year old company. Fine. Whatever makes you happy. But Nike is still on top, by a wide margin. Maybe even a bigger margin than ***EIGHT YEARS AGO***.
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OKAY??? :ROFLMAO: I would be just crushed by this if I didn't agree with it all. I'm not in here caping for Adidas over Nike, man. IDGAF as far as that goes. As for the Adidas/UA stuff, you just wasted your breath and time researching because yet again - IDGAF because *today's* numbers and landscape bear out that Adidas is solidly in 2nd behind Nike and outpacing UA comfortably. That's just how it is man...I don't have a true dog in the race at all. 🤷‍♂️

TheOriginalCane said:
But feel free to draw your own ridiculous conclusions about me "assuming it was recent data" and being "misled". That's just bull****. You have no idea who I am or what I do, but I assure you that I analyze data as well as you do, if not better. It's a god**** sports thread, though, and the chart is only 8 years old, while you have not cited ONE SINGLE STRONG REASON as to why there would be some huge deviation in the results only 8 years later. Oh, but you're so concerned with all of us being "misled" by "ancient 8 year old data".

Give it a rest.
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You're the same person who told me to stop crying *then* ^^^ typed that juvenile hissy-fit out and hit post so everyone else could read it and laugh at you, right? Die mad. :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
Canedude08 said:
There is always going to be player exclusive gear that we can’t get our hands on. A classic example are the team issue basketball practice shorts. If you are a hooper, you want a pair, but Adidas has made it clear that they won’t make them for consumer purchase. I ended up purchasing a couple of surplus pairs from fanatics.

The same issue is true for Nike as well. I have a colleague that is a UNC alum, I hear similar gripes from him about certain items. I will say this, Caneswear has a ton of Adidas gear and honestly, it’s more than enough. Let’s cut the nonsense, the people most likely to complain about the “Lack of stuff” are also the people LEAST likely to regularly buy new stuff anyway. That’s the funny part. It’s similar to the attendance argument. The people that whine the most about tickets and the like are the people that rarely show up to games anyway.
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Yeah, for sure. There is always gonna be exclusive gear for the team, as there probably should be.

Caneswear is my go to for stuff. They have a great selection and their customer service has always been on point when there has been any shipping issues or returns.

My biggest issue with Adidas is their cut and sizing on a lot of their stuff. It doesn't really fit me well personally like Nike and Under Armour do. I do prefer the Nike designs over most Adidas and Under Armour in regards to fan gear which I do actually buy quite a bit of myself. I also think they do have better selections overall. But I'll wear any brand that is comfortable and quality and doesn't look terrible. Actually, if its really comfortable I'll probably still wear it regardless. Lol.
 
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BWCD said:
Show me where I said Adidas stole share from Nike. I'll wait - gonna be a while since I never made such a claim. Fvck off trying to put arguments in my mouth...strawman BS.

Again - my assertion was that Adidas would likely be in 2nd place solidly, and I'd even go a step further and say that Nike would be about the same or better in the percentages given a comparable updated population. Here's the key - I'm not knocking Nike - I'm not delusional about where they are in the landscape...they're #1...I have no issue saying that. It's the misuse of old data that happened (that YOU fell for, btw) that I took issue with.
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You are one seriously disturbed individual. You should seek counseling and take medication.

Here's a test. Have a child read your posts to you. Particularly the ones where you attacked a poster for not, I guess, properly footnoting a pie chart, as well as the one where you had such concern for me being "misled" by incredibly outdated ***EIGHT YEAR OLD*** information.

And now you want to go ballistic because someone is "putting arguments in your mouth"? Get the **** out of here.

So you don't want to acknowledge that the only way adidas moves beyond 7% is by taking from someone else? So tell us, genius, what is the BEST CASE SCENARIO for adidas here, in your tiny data analyst brain? That adidas takes EVERY BIT of the "Under Armour" and "Others" numbers to get to 27%? Are you ******* kidding me?

Here's the reality. JORDAN BRAND has picked up more new schools than adidas has in the past 8 years. So if you think that adidas is "in 2nd place solidly", that's fine, but I don't think that's actually the case.

In any event, if adidas has to come out of third place, it has to take share from someone else, either Nike or UnderArmour. If you think that is some sort of adidas rocket ship to success, that's up to you.

But for the love of God, get off your high-horse on this data analysis nonsense. You're acting like the entire apparel industry has been transformed in the past 8 years, and that's just not true.
 
I haven't seen it mentioned yet here, but GT is also the breast cancer awareness game (per twitter). While im not a huge fan of the Miami nights edition this year, pops of pink on gloves, wristbands, socks, etc.. will do alot to make this color scheme look pretty nice imo.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
You are one seriously disturbed individual. You should seek counseling and take medication.

Here's a test. Have a child read your posts to you. Particularly the ones where you attacked a poster for not, I guess, properly footnoting a pie chart, as well as the one where you had such concern for me being "misled" by incredibly outdated ***EIGHT YEAR OLD*** information.

And now you want to go ballistic because someone is "putting arguments in your mouth"? Get the **** out of here.

So you don't want to acknowledge that the only way adidas moves beyond 7% is by taking from someone else? So tell us, genius, what is the BEST CASE SCENARIO for adidas here, in your tiny data analyst brain? That adidas takes EVERY BIT of the "Under Armour" and "Others" numbers to get to 27%? Are you ******* kidding me?

Here's the reality. JORDAN BRAND has picked up more new schools than adidas has in the past 8 years. So if you think that adidas is "in 2nd place solidly", that's fine, but I don't think that's actually the case.

In any event, if adidas has to come out of third place, it has to take share from someone else, either Nike or UnderArmour. If you think that is some sort of adidas rocket ship to success, that's up to you.

But for the love of God, get off your high-horse on this data analysis nonsense. You're acting like the entire apparel industry has been transformed in the past 8 years, and that's just not true.
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Jeebus you're dumb, and you make so many assumptions/arguments for me that *eye* am not making. We can find you a padded room so you can talk to yourself in safety, if you'd like. You think you're arguing w/me when really - you're just making up crap, saying I'm saying it, then arguing against the strawmen you're setting up. Are they in the room with us, *right now*, j-j-j-junior? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: Your first sentence in your post is some hardcore projection!!!

Just take your L and go, man. We will be here laughing at your idiocy. 👋
 
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Canedude08 said:
There is always going to be player exclusive gear that we can’t get our hands on. A classic example are the team issue basketball practice shorts. If you are a hooper, you want a pair, but Adidas has made it clear that they won’t make them for consumer purchase. I ended up purchasing a couple of surplus pairs from fanatics.

The same issue is true for Nike as well. I have a colleague that is a UNC alum, I hear similar gripes from him about certain items. I will say this, Caneswear has a ton of Adidas gear and honestly, it’s more than enough. Let’s cut the nonsense, the people most likely to complain about the “Lack of stuff” are also the people LEAST likely to regularly buy new stuff anyway. That’s the funny part. It’s similar to the attendance argument. The people that whine the most about tickets and the like are the people that rarely show up to games anyway.
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Yes.

But the issue is not JUST the team-only stuff, it is the level at which the "mass-market" stuff may be limited and/or suck in comparison.

There's a lot more good Nike stuff at ANY Nike school bookstore than what we have with adidas.

And I have relatives at UF, F$U, and UCF, so I've been to those bookstores. Recently. So this isn't just idle speculation.
 
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