Miami and the Spread Offense

[5NC4]

People that don't like the spread, don't understand the spread. They dislike it due to myths that it's "not physical enough". I've had this argument a million times with people over the years. They would always point to Bama's dominance in the Pro

 

[Coach Macho]

That Pro-Style prehistoric I-formation stuff is too easy to defend.

LOL...then why dafuq is Stanford 64-17, and Mike Leach is 29-34, in almost the same time frame? And who exactly are these Tinkerbells beating these Goliaths every week?

Stanford has the guys for that offense. It works for them. Holla at me when they win the big show with that offense.

 

[DTP]

In order to run a successful pro-style offense (think Coker/Chud) you need a dominant offensive line.

You need a dominant O-Line regardless of what you run. And that whole "Florida doesn't produce O-Linemen" is a fallacy at best...IIRC, all of our current starting O-Linemen are from Florida.

Clemson won the national title with a mediocre offensive line. Florida State hasn't had a "dominant" O-line in a decade plus. The reason teams use spread concepts is so that they don't have to rely 100% on the offensive line being dominant.

Also, I don't exactly consider Miami's offensive line to be a strong point. If anything, it's the weakest position group on the team.

LOL...Clemson put up 7555 yds. of total O last year...FSU put up 7267 yds. of total O in their NC season...you don't put up those numbers in behind mediocre O-Line play.

You're making the assumption that because they had effective offenses, it's because of their offensive lines. It's simply not the case. The reason a team like Clemson runs a spread type system is because if they tried to line up in the I and run the ball right at Alabama, they would have gotten crushed. When you spread teams out, you don't need your line to dominate. They can't totally suck but they don't have to be 2001 Miami either.


How many O linemen from the FSU championship team got drafted and are playing in the NFL? How many from Clemson?

 

[DTP]

Sticking to the pro style, dinosaur offense got Les Miles canned at LSU. There's no reason a team which consistently recruits at a top five level should struggle to score points every week. They have NFL talent at every position but can't put up more than 14 points against anybody with a pulse.

 

[RepTheGables]

I think that "pro-style" is a misnomer. NFL teams run what works. Right now, that sure as **** isn't Coker-T.

 

[rok]

Pretty sure that Herndon will be on the field 100% of the time.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

There's teams with zero talent that's able to compete just by out scheming teams with superior talent.

LOL...who?

 

[JaxonCane]

Again the beauty of the spread is you can emphasis what your team strengths are. If you have a quick O-line run the inside & outside zone or a huge line run a pin and pull gap scheme.
There have been a lot of teams that have went to the spread so they could have BETTER INSIDE RUN GAMES!!!
Another thing that needs to be recognized is the fact that screen plays are just WIDE / PERIMETER RUN PLAYS. instead of tossing the ball out there throw it out there. Spread teams teach screens the same way they teach run plays.
1. Solid screen - fake zone one direction and throw the screen opposite (It is just a counter play)
2. Fast screens - DB's are to deep or to tight to the box snap a fast screen out side really quick - it is like a toss play but gets on the perimeter faster.
3. Jail break screen - fake a fast screen one direction and throw a tunnel screen on the back side. Again a counter play that makes defenses pause.
My point is if you count screens like run plays then you what you have is a team like Oregon who had a subpar O-line racking up close to 400 yards a game rushing. Doing it with a few speedsters and doing it well enough to go to a national title game and fell 1 play short of winning.

 

[Cribby]

There's teams with zero talent that's able to compete just by out scheming teams with superior talent.

LOL...who?

Well Oregon was loaded with 3 stars when they were winning 11-12 games a year smartass. I'll just leave you Tver since your smart *** question was so dumb.

Teams were using the spread in smaller divisions and hs in the 90's, and it was that very reason. You used space to counteract talent / speed.

So I answered your dumb question and have you a history lesson.

 

[Cribby]

People that don't like the spread, don't understand the spread. They dislike it due to myths that it's "not physical enough". I've had this argument a million times with people over the years. They would always point to Bama's dominance in the Pro-Style and Oregon's failures in the spread. I always had plenty of rebuttals for that garbage but now that Ohio State, Clemson and even Bama are winning with the spread I don't need to engage people in this debate anymore.

A good spread offense is borderline genius and pretty much unstoppable. Nick Saban is a defensive mastermind and he gets his **** pushed in by good spread offenses.

People that point to Oregon's struggles against good defenses fail to realize that Oregon wouldn't even be a notable squad if it wasn't for their innovative offense. THEY'RE OREGON! There's plenty of other schools in the country that are just like them. Teams with (mostly) inferior players who make a name for themselves by out-coaching Defensive Coordinators week after week.

That Pro-Style prehistoric I-formation stuff is too easy to defend. Unless you have 5 hosses up front, a QB who can take drops, a boulder at Fullback and an inline Tight-End then you're wasting your time. All you're doing is bringing more defenders in the box without a sufficient way to block them. Schematically the Pro-Style offense does little to stress a defense and make a Defensive Coordinator think.

If your advantage is SPEED and you're not running the spread then you're a dummy. Why would I put TE's and FB's on the field when I can utilize four WR's who all run 4.4 forties? Now I force the defense to sub-in more DB's, guys that would normally be 2nd string Corners. Now I've got them scrubs trying to cover my 4.4 slot WR's in space.

Exactly. Oregon was loaded with three stars and was extremely undersized , especially in the offensive trenches. What they did was a miracle , that was a great run.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

There's teams with zero talent that's able to compete just by out scheming teams with superior talent.

LOL...who?

Well Oregon was loaded with 3 stars when they were winning 11-12 games a year smartass.

LOL...so was **** near everybody else in the Pac-12, so it's all relative.

And you need to go back and check the recruting rankings for Oregon, they were getting their fair share of 4 & some 5*s even before Kelly got there...history lesson reciprocated...LOL.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

Sticking to the pro style, dinosaur offense got Les Miles canned at LSU.

No, Miles got fired because He had the personality of a cardboard box, couldn't motivate kids for $h!t. Not saying scheme isn't important, but it's deeper than that. College coaching, sorta like HS, is more about motivation, while the NFL is more about managing millionaire egos.

 

[ComfortablyUM]

Look at FSU and their struggles and blown coverages vs spread teams. They give Charles Kelly fits and it's obvious he has no clue how to scheme for that. We play right into their hands playing pro style imho.


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[Coach Macho]

Sticking to the pro style, dinosaur offense got Les Miles canned at LSU.

No, Miles got fired because He had the personality of a cardboard box, couldn't motivate kids for $h!t. Not saying scheme isn't important, but it's deeper than that. College coaching, sorta like HS, is more about motivation, while the NFL is more about managing millionaire egos.

Actually, scheme is like 80% of why he got fired. That dumb ***** was running the Pro Style with ridiculous WR talent and highly rated dual threat QB's.

How can you say that he can't motivate players and has a personality problem when the other side of the ball has been excellent for years? He was able to motivate his defensive players but not his offensive players?

 

[k9cane]

Sticking to the pro style, dinosaur offense got Les Miles canned at LSU.

No, Miles got fired because He had the personality of a cardboard box, couldn't motivate kids for $h!t. Not saying scheme isn't important, but it's deeper than that. College coaching, sorta like HS, is more about motivation, while the NFL is more about managing millionaire egos.

Actually, scheme is like 80% of why he got fired. That dumb ***** was running the Pro Style with ridiculous WR talent and highly rated dual threat QB's.

How can you say that he can't motivate players and has a personality problem when the other side of the ball has been excellent for years? He was able to motivate his defensive players but not his offensive players?

And now Ed O recognizing that brought in Matt Canada(former PITT OC) who does a lot of creative things from a spread set.

But isn't it always Jimmy's and Joe's over X's and O's?

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

Sticking to the pro style, dinosaur offense got Les Miles canned at LSU.

No, Miles got fired because He had the personality of a cardboard box, couldn't motivate kids for $h!t. Not saying scheme isn't important, but it's deeper than that. College coaching, sorta like HS, is more about motivation, while the NFL is more about managing millionaire egos.

Actually, scheme is like 80% of why he got fired. That dumb ***** was running the Pro Style with ridiculous WR talent and highly rated dual threat QB's.

How can you say that he can't motivate players and has a personality problem when the other side of the ball has been excellent for years? He was able to motivate his defensive players but not his offensive players?

LOL...if I didn't know any better, I would've thought you were talking about Nick Saban!

 

[CanesAreAble]

We already run spread concepts.

RPO, tempo, read option (I suspect we'll see more of this with Rosier).

It's not like we were exclusively in the I-formation with a FB. We used a ton of shotgun sets.

 

[RiDLer80]

I can't believe we still have to have this stupid *** conversation about spread offenses being soft or finesse. It's like people here don't even watch football.

First, this narrative that the spread is soft and all jet sweeps is non-sense. Did any of you watch Oregon under Chip Kelly? They were running inside traps with LaMichael James for 40 and 50 yard gains all the time. They were putting up 40 and 50 burgers against the likes of USC, Stanford and Michigan State under Narduzzi. Those were supposed powerful, pro-style teams and Oregon ran circles around them with the likes of Derron Thomas and Jeff Maehl at WR.

The spread offense was designed to level the playing field for inferior teams to compete with more talented teams. Programs like Oregon and West Virginia used spread offenses to bring their programs to limelight of the CFB world when otherwise they'd be punching bags. They were second-tier programs that used the spread to level the playing field. Look what using the spread did for programs that actually can recruit at an elite level like Clemson, Ohio State and UF. Spread offenses with elite athletes is **** near unstoppable. As [MENTION=3951]Coach[/MENTION]Macho has mentioned here several times, spread offenses give the defensive-mastermind that is Nick Saban fits. ****, even Bama has gone away from the TE+fullback power-I offense.

Just because you have 3 WRs on the field doesn't mean you can't have a power run game. Bama does, Clemson does it as well as Ohio State. The reason Oregon couldn't is because they couldn't recruit the hogs up front. There's no reason for Miami to not have a dynamic offense that puts up 35 points a game.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

Programs like Oregon and West Virginia used spread offenses to bring their programs to limelight of the CFB world when otherwise they'd be punching bags. They were second-tier programs that used the spread to level the playing field.

LOL...Oregon wasn't exactly Sisters Of The Poor when Kelly took over. Again, go check their recruiting rankings before Kelly got there, plenty of 4*s. Better the players, better the scheme. Ain't no Tinkerbells beating Incredible Hulks like that, bruh.

 

[Cribby]

Sticking to the pro style, dinosaur offense got Les Miles canned at LSU.

No, Miles got fired because He had the personality of a cardboard box, couldn't motivate kids for $h!t. Not saying scheme isn't important, but it's deeper than that. College coaching, sorta like HS, is more about motivation, while the NFL is more about managing millionaire egos.

Actually, scheme is like 80% of why he got fired. That dumb ***** was running the Pro Style with ridiculous WR talent and highly rated dual threat QB's.

How can you say that he can't motivate players and has a personality problem when the other side of the ball has been excellent for years? He was able to motivate his defensive players but not his offensive players?

Dude this dummy knows nothing about schemes or football . Don't waste your time.

He actually said Les Miles was fired because of "his personality". Everyone there loved him, they were just tired of his prehistoric offense schemes. They actually told him to change the oc/ scheme and he called their bluff. That's when it was leaked he was fired the first time, then they changed their mind because nobody **** wanted the gig.

Fact is you need spread principles to be a successful offense , even the nfl is full of spread. Belichik has repeatedly picked the minds of Chip and Urban.

Even Bama has went a lot more spread the last few years,using tempo and zone read. That's why Bama has left Lsu behind, they evolved offensively while lsu kept lining up in I Form , running the ball 55 times a game. They could no longer win 10-9 games anymore.