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agreed about the defense but they are getting blown up by the scripted first series lately likely a result of more tape out there. ill let one drive slide if they play lights out the rest of the way. the issue though is youre right - we arent a team that plays from behind on offense. we need to start with the lead
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Not on defense.

I will say though that teams have had success on the first drive the last few games. FSU drove down and we got lucky to not get called for PI but forced a field goal. Louisville drove the length of the field and we did bow up but they got the fake FG and scored, 2nd drive was a very short field but another score. Stanford first drive netted 7 points. We need to do something to force a 3 and out on the first drive on Saturday.
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hoops156 said:
agreed about the defense but they are getting blown up by the scripted first series lately likely a result of more tape out there. ill let one drive slide if they play lights out the rest of the way. the issue though is youre right - we arent a team that plays from behind on offense. we need to start with the lead
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I know the new analytics always say to defer if you win the toss to get the ball to start the second half but I do wonder if that is the best for this team going forward, I legit did question that in the LVille game as an example....

Defense like you said seems to start slow and struggles with the scripted plays, for Lville you could tell the Miami traffic monster was rearing its head as the stadium was 1/2 empty at kick. **** even me driving from work by the time I got home and did some basic ****, 7 pm on a friday sneaks up on you fast.

So you know Brohm is a good offensive minded coach, he likely had some tricks dialed up, and your homefield advantage is mooted because the fans are still piling in the stadium. By the time we had 50k butts in seats we were down 7-0, they got a completely scripted first drive when the stadium was empty, no juice and they took advantage of it and the fans getting there already feel kicked in the nuts down 7.

And lets be real, does anyone have confidence in Mario's ability to milk the clock at the end of half, score, then get the ball right back to start the second half in an ideal world on how its supposed to work? Same against SMU who is good on offense, instead of giving them the first crack I say take the ball, run our offense how we want, let the defense get juiced up and roll.
 
Cookie917 said:
I know the new analytics always say to defer if you win the toss to get the ball to start the second half but I do wonder if that is the best for this team going forward, I legit did question that in the LVille game as an example....

Defense like you said seems to start slow and struggles with the scripted plays, for Lville you could tell the Miami traffic monster was rearing its head as the stadium was 1/2 empty at kick. **** even me driving from work by the time I got home and did some basic ****, 7 pm on a friday sneaks up on you fast.

So you know Brohm is a good offensive minded coach, he likely had some tricks dialed up, and your homefield advantage is mooted because the fans are still piling in the stadium. By the time we had 50k butts in seats we were down 7-0, they got a completely scripted first drive when the stadium was empty, no juice and they took advantage of it and the fans getting there already feel kicked in the nuts down 7.

And lets be real, does anyone have confidence in Mario's ability to milk the clock at the end of half, score, then get the ball right back to start the second half in an ideal world on how its supposed to work? Same against SMU who is good on offense, instead of giving them the first crack I say take the ball, run our offense how we want, let the defense get juiced up and roll.
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We've been very good in the middle 8 this year when winning the toss/deferring.

Notre Dame: Scored with 12 seconds left in the first half, got the ball to start the 2nd half, scored again. Scored 14 points without ND touching the ball, an absolute masterclass in middle 8 management (yes, I'm very well aware Daniels made an insane catch, but the process was correct)

USF: We got the ball to start the game.

Florida: We got a field goal with about 1:30 to go in the half, the gators punted, and we got the ball back with under 40 seconds, up 13-0 on a rainy night, on our own 25. Knowing we'd get the ball out of the half, we ran the clock out. Came out of the half, and did score a TD to significantly win the middle eight, but Marty Brown got completely robbed by an egregious call. Again, good process/coaching

FSU: Beck threw a TD to Toney with 4 mins left in the half to take a 21-3 lead, but it was nullified by an awful Marion motion penalty. So we punted, FSU tried to sneak in a score to end the half, our defense stopped it, and we ran out the last 30 seconds of the half. Got the ball after the half, scored on a 10 play, 75 yard drive in 5 minutes to, once again, win the middle eight (essentially).

Louisville: We got a field goal with 2 minutes left to go in the half, and then forced a Louisville punt, that essentially ended the half. Problem here is we got the ball to open the 2nd half, and went three and out. Still won the middle eight, but didn't capitalize fully because the offense had a poor drive. Good process, not great result.

I know it's super cool to **** all over our coach. I mean, it's not, but hey, go nuts. But we need to actually watch the games and comprehend them, at least a little bit. Or at least give it a college try.

Mario has many warts. He's done many dumb things. Playing the middle 8 all year has not been one of those things. We've been excellent. So when you ask "does anyone have confidence in Mario's ability to milk the clock at the end of half, score, then get the ball right back to start the second half in an ideal world how it's supposed to work?", I will answer your question with a question, have you paid any attention at all?
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
We've been very good in the middle 8 this year when winning the toss/deferring.

Notre Dame: Scored with 12 seconds left in the first half, got the ball to start the 2nd half, scored again. Scored 14 points without ND touching the ball, an absolute masterclass in middle 8 management (yes, I'm very well aware Daniels made an insane catch, but the process was correct)

USF: We got the ball to start the game.

Florida: We got a field goal with about 1:30 to go in the half, the gators punted, and we got the ball back with under 40 seconds, up 13-0 on a rainy night, on our own 25. Knowing we'd get the ball out of the half, we ran the clock out. Came out of the half, and did score a TD to significantly win the middle eight, but Marty Brown got completely robbed by an egregious call. Again, good process/coaching

FSU: Beck threw a TD to Toney with 4 mins left in the half to take a 21-3 lead, but it was nullified by an awful Marion motion penalty. So we punted, FSU tried to sneak in a score to end the half, our defense stopped it, and we ran out the last 30 seconds of the half. Got the ball after the half, scored on a 10 play, 75 yard drive in 5 minutes to, once again, win the middle eight (essentially).

Louisville: We got a field goal with 2 minutes left to go in the half, and then forced a Louisville punt, that essentially ended the half. Problem here is we got the ball to open the 2nd half, and went three and out. Still won the middle eight, but didn't capitalize fully because the offense had a poor drive. Good process, not great result.

I know it's super cool to **** all over our coach. I mean, it's not, but hey, go nuts. But we need to actually watch the games and comprehend them, at least a little bit. Or at least give it a college try.

Mario has many warts. He's done many dumb things. Playing the middle 8 all year has not been one of those things. We've been excellent. So when you ask "does anyone have confidence in Mario's ability to milk the clock at the end of half, score, then get the ball right back to start the second half in an ideal world how it's supposed to work?", I will answer your question with a question, have you paid any attention at all?
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Your posts lately pointing out reality versus hyperbolic exaggerations have been spot on.

Well done, sir.
 
Go Canes!! said:
Your posts lately pointing out reality versus hyperbolic exaggerations have been spot on.

Well done, sir.
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It's insane. I'm not some football savant by any means, nor would ever claim to be. I just have common sense. It never ceases to amaze me how people can watch the same exact thing and have completely different interpretations. Coming on this site sometimes you'd think it was FSU or UF twitter.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
We've been very good in the middle 8 this year when winning the toss/deferring.

Notre Dame: Scored with 12 seconds left in the first half, got the ball to start the 2nd half, scored again. Scored 14 points without ND touching the ball, an absolute masterclass in middle 8 management (yes, I'm very well aware Daniels made an insane catch, but the process was correct)

USF: We got the ball to start the game.

Florida: We got a field goal with about 1:30 to go in the half, the gators punted, and we got the ball back with under 40 seconds, up 13-0 on a rainy night, on our own 25. Knowing we'd get the ball out of the half, we ran the clock out. Came out of the half, and did score a TD to significantly win the middle eight, but Marty Brown got completely robbed by an egregious call. Again, good process/coaching

FSU: Beck threw a TD to Toney with 4 mins left in the half to take a 21-3 lead, but it was nullified by an awful Marion motion penalty. So we punted, FSU tried to sneak in a score to end the half, our defense stopped it, and we ran out the last 30 seconds of the half. Got the ball after the half, scored on a 10 play, 75 yard drive in 5 minutes to, once again, win the middle eight (essentially).

Louisville: We got a field goal with 2 minutes left to go in the half, and then forced a Louisville punt, that essentially ended the half. Problem here is we got the ball to open the 2nd half, and went three and out. Still won the middle eight, but didn't capitalize fully because the offense had a poor drive. Good process, not great result.

I know it's super cool to **** all over our coach. I mean, it's not, but hey, go nuts. But we need to actually watch the games and comprehend them, at least a little bit. Or at least give it a college try.

Mario has many warts. He's done many dumb things. Playing the middle 8 all year has not been one of those things. We've been excellent. So when you ask "does anyone have confidence in Mario's ability to milk the clock at the end of half, score, then get the ball right back to start the second half in an ideal world how it's supposed to work?", I will answer your question with a question, have you paid any attention at all?
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Well yes to answer your question as I was at both UF and ND and havent missed a game yet (some of the USF I did miss due to being in Baton Rouge for LSU game and the rain delay but I did watch the replays), ND like you pointed out the players bailed him out. INSANE catch and up until that point I thought Mario was grossly mismanaging the clock. CJ bailed him out and thats part of the game so I will give it a push for sake of argument. But this is essentially the one time it worked in our favor and it took the catch of the year to make it happen...

FSU we did stop them, then just kneeled so timing just didnt work out either way, I dont see that as a benefit or a detriment as no way to tell what would have happened if we elected to get the ball to start.

You said USF we got the ball but you didnt go into how that went... 9 plays, 75 yds TD, defense goes out gives up only 14 yds, they punt, we go right back down and score again, 14-0 in the blink of an eye. Defense is comfortable getting after QB, offense is happy to run a bunch. Second quarter, if the game was close I imagine Mario tries somethin with a minute left, but up 28-6 made sense to not force it, let the clock run and go into half time. THAT is when I think this team is at its best. Score first and protect the lead.

You also left out the UF game where we did get the ball to start the second half, punted, gave up a long *** TD drive, then threw a pic, that was our entire third quarter so I wouldnt say that would be part of a good "middle 8"

Stanford, got the ball first, marched right down the field, bonehead penalty stalls the drive and we miss a FG but we looked good to start and you usually rely on your kicker to make that kick.

Lville is really the one I am harping on and look if we took the opening KO and went 3 and out its all pointless, but we did take the second half KO and go 3 and out. all I am saying is sometimes take a look at the surrounding picture and play to your teams strengths and adjust. Defense is struggling against scripted plays, Brohm is a great OC with 2 weeks to prep, we had a 1/2 empty stadium and our defense is lethal when they get to play with a lead and our offense is made to keep and hold a lead and not made to be trying to play catch up. Why NOT try to score first?

Mario has a ton of good qualities, I genuinely like the roster he put together, he got big donors to open checkbooks, we beat UF, FSu and ND this year and I do believe he cares more about the U than you and I combined. I disagree the clock management in the middle 8 has not been a wart, he seems to be uncomfortable with those decisions and routinely struggles. Even against a team like SMU, if its an 11 am kick, and their stadium is half empty and we win the toss? **** yes take the ball, get our offense going, get a score and try to turn SMU one dimensional on O playing catchup.
 
Cookie917 said:
I know the new analytics always say to defer if you win the toss to get the ball to start the second half but I do wonder if that is the best for this team going forward, I legit did question that in the LVille game as an example....

Defense like you said seems to start slow and struggles with the scripted plays, for Lville you could tell the Miami traffic monster was rearing its head as the stadium was 1/2 empty at kick. **** even me driving from work by the time I got home and did some basic ****, 7 pm on a friday sneaks up on you fast.

So you know Brohm is a good offensive minded coach, he likely had some tricks dialed up, and your homefield advantage is mooted because the fans are still piling in the stadium. By the time we had 50k butts in seats we were down 7-0, they got a completely scripted first drive when the stadium was empty, no juice and they took advantage of it and the fans getting there already feel kicked in the nuts down 7.

And lets be real, does anyone have confidence in Mario's ability to milk the clock at the end of half, score, then get the ball right back to start the second half in an ideal world on how its supposed to work? Same against SMU who is good on offense, instead of giving them the first crack I say take the ball, run our offense how we want, let the defense get juiced up and roll.
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imo, i always thought the idea of starting the second half w the ball was sort of like 2 for 1 in hoops. you score before the end of half and then start the second half with the ball so if youre down at half, you can start on defense in the third quarter with 2 straight scoring possessions and the lead and a diff game.

i agree with you for SMU. i say we get beck his confidence back and let him go. we cant play with the protect beck 5 yards from LOS only type of game and expect to win (ala stanford) a title.
 
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hoops156 said:
imo, i always thought the idea of starting the second half w the ball was sort of like 2 for 1 in hoops. you score before the end of half and then start the second half with the ball so if youre down at half, you can start on defense in the third quarter with 2 straight scoring possessions and the lead and a diff game.

i agree with you for SMU. i say we get beck his confidence back and let him go. we cant play with the protect beck 5 yards from LOS only type of game and expect to win (ala stanford) a title.
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I agree, the 2 for 1 is how it is supposed to work and that is the benefit and why the analytics call for it and why we saw such a drastic shift from "we want the ball" at the coin tosses, I remember watching games 20 years ago and deferring wasnt really a thing. Also as I pointed out the whole we score then we get the ball and score again has happened once this year and it took an insane catch by CJ to make it happen. so 1/4 times it has worked 25% aint enough with this roster IMO, **** we dont even look comfortable in a two minute offense. The one time with ND where it worked we got the ball with like 6 minutes and just bled it down, I doubt our ability to get the ball with say 1:30 left and Mario lets Beck rip it. Last year with Cam? Different story and I likely dont have this position. This year with Beck? Different game plan.

I just think this team is made to play with a lead and that is Mario's comfort zone, his comfort zone is not in game last minute decisions with clock management, I think he would admit to that, so why not just put everyone where they are comfortable even if the analytics are slightly askew.
 
Cookie917 said:
I agree, the 2 for 1 is how it is supposed to work and that is the benefit and why the analytics call for it and why we saw such a drastic shift from "we want the ball" at the coin tosses, I remember watching games 20 years ago and deferring wasnt really a thing. Also as I pointed out the whole we score then we get the ball and score again has happened once this year and it took an insane catch by CJ to make it happen. so 1/4 times it has worked 25% aint enough with this roster IMO, **** we dont even look comfortable in a two minute offense. The one time with ND where it worked we got the ball with like 6 minutes and just bled it down, I doubt our ability to get the ball with say 1:30 left and Mario lets Beck rip it. Last year with Cam? Different story and I likely dont have this position. This year with Beck? Different game plan.

I just think this team is made to play with a lead and that is Mario's comfort zone, his comfort zone is not in game last minute decisions with clock management, I think he would admit to that, so why not just put everyone where they are comfortable even if the analytics are slightly askew.
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i dont think were capable of a 2 min offense. we move too slow
 
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QuattroCane said:
Don't put that out there in the universe. We've all seen him go off. It would be just our luck if he catches fire and goes for 400/4! :ROFLMAO:
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He’s redshirting this year due to his torn ACL from last year.

I guess he expected Jennings to have a great year and jump to NFL this year but he’s been playing with a bad ankle and hasn’t been as good as last year so he will be a backup or he transfers again for his final and what, 7th year?
 
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