MEGA Mega Merged Stadium Thread.

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

This wasn’t including u, my brother. U’ve been very consistent on ur stance, & why. I’m specifically regarding several posters, who tend to double talk on a lot of chit.

I’ve said repeatedly, I have no skin in the game of where Miami plays b/c traffic doesn’t bother me in general since I lived in the number 1, 7, 8 traffic cities in North America (Chicago, Los Angeles, & SF), & I don’t live in FL.

The only point of contention I’ve ever had is IF there is a possibility to obtaining ur own stadium or even go in to a managing partnership of having a stadium anywhere between Dade & Broward Counties, then y not? Imo, HRS does nothing for the school except provide a place to play football, & line Ross’ pockets. ****, it could be a stadium next door to HRS for all I care. It’s also important to not dismiss students or student athletes concerns either, especially when this is yet another negative recruiting ploy against us.

Again, my post wasn’t a slight to u; u’ve been very adamant that whether it’s HRS or any chit next to the school itself, u’ll be there. This was for very specific individuals, & their porst history identifies them.

Bro, I got no problem if you disagree with me, but I know that wasn’t the gist of your post. I’d happily support our own stadium, but I’m just not seeing how it can be done.

I think you already read that apparently there’s some ordinance being proposed that will disallow any development of Tropical Park, so what’s next? That’s my only issue.

At some point we could have a stadium, but unfortunately I don’t think it’s going to be in our lifetimes to be honest. And to be honest from a land use situation, Broward is better suited than Dade. I just don’t know where, in Dade, we could build anything that would make sense.

 

[rsa coral gables]

Eh, I don't think the OB was on 25 acres. But that's here nor there.

Also, if it was sold once, it can be sold again. But, still, beside the point.

Biggest question - You pay for the herald? For local news, you might as well just follow onlyindade on instagram.

i used HRS as a measure of the size of the stadium, +/-. you are right, it can be smaller but it doesn't change the result. the time for having a stadium owned by UM near the campus is over and it won't come back again unless someone wants to gift the school +/-$2B and and then the school decides to use that money or part of it for a stadium. i am convinced very few people on here understand the legal, finance and regulatory issues/hurdles.

the tribe that purchased Magic City won't be building a stadium, they will make billions off of a new revamped casino site.

i don't pay for the herald and won never do so. before this woke stuff happened and before the internet became a thing, they were a terrible organization. it has only gotten worse since then and i cannot wait for their demise.

 

[JD08]

i used HRS as a measure of the size of the stadium, +/-. you are right, it can be smaller but it doesn't change the result. the time for having a stadium owned by UM near the campus is over and it won't come back again unless someone wants to gift the school +/-$2B and and then the school decides to use that money or part of it for a stadium. i am convinced very few people on here understand the legal, finance and regulatory issues/hurdles.

the tribe that purchased Magic City won't be building a stadium, they will make billions off of a new revamped casino site.

i don't pay for the herald and won never do so. before this woke stuff happened and before the internet became a thing, they were a terrible organization. it has only gotten worse since then and i cannot wait for their demise.

I'll absolutely agree that the Herald is a **** rag.

 

[Ajcane8]

i used HRS as a measure of the size of the stadium, +/-. you are right, it can be smaller but it doesn't change the result. the time for having a stadium owned by UM near the campus is over and it won't come back again unless someone wants to gift the school +/-$2B and and then the school decides to use that money or part of it for a stadium. i am convinced very few people on here understand the legal, finance and regulatory issues/hurdles.

the tribe that purchased Magic City won't be building a stadium, they will make billions off of a new revamped casino site.

i don't pay for the herald and won never do so. before this woke stuff happened and before the internet became a thing, they were a terrible organization. it has only gotten worse since then and i cannot wait for their demise.

I mean, to close this particular loop, those Malaysian guys paid a ton of money for the area where the herald building used to be… to build a casino. That was over a decade ago now - still no dice.

 

[Rellyrell]

i think every reasonable poster, including me, would support this but given the reality on the ground there isn't a viable, reasonable alternative to HRS and none is or will be on the horizon in the next few decades. in fact, it is going to get more difficult every year.

once the city of miami and UM screwed up by not agreeing to renovate the old Orange Bowl and the Dolphins moved into HRS, UM's fate was cast.

sometimes in business there are dilemmas, which means having to choose between bad or undesirable options. that's what we have and it is not going to get fixed any time soon.

I think it also have to do w/ timing & who’s proposing.

Imo, if The Marlin Stadium situation didn’t ***** over many ppl, there wouldn’t be nearly the amount of push back. Furthermore, being that u put me on game about Ruiz’s other project that went to **** & was sued for it. So I think those two factors also plays a heavy role.

Is there any empty parcels available in Broward or Dade out of curiosity? Imo, it would be much more feasible for Miami, based upon alumni size & current student body size, to have a 50k seat stadium, w/ an ability to add 8k more seats. I would use HRS for a prime time marquee game, â la UT using AT&T Stadium or UGA using Mercedes Benz.

 

[Notsince1985]

While we're at it, can someone tell me exactly how many alumni/fans live in Martin and Monroe Counties?

 

[Srcanes93]

I didn't say ease for students was the only reasoning for having a stadium closer to campus. You asked what purpose would having a stadium closer to campus serve. I said it was one of the factors in why it would be preferable to be closer to campus as well as easier for the team to get to as well.

If you read what I wrote, I said the team has been playing rent a stadium since the OB was built, so yes, I knew the university didn't own the OB. My point was the university has NEVER "owned" the facility they played in, even before the OB was built, they played at Tamiami Park and Moore Park. So I don't understand why move if they will just be another tenant (this time to Ruiz - who is relatively new to the game so who knows what his intentions are).

Finally, I have said I agree with you about not moving at this time. However, in the future (as unrealistic as this sounds), if Ruiz or a group of donors, build a stadium with slightly less capacity, but with all the amenities offered by HRS, donate it to school so the university is its own landlord, AND it's near campus? Yeah, it's a no-brainer to make the move for me.

And it's a no-brainer it seems for most college football fans as the only school I can think of who consciously chose to leave their own stadium is Pitt (and there is already second thoughts on that decision). GT, BC, USC, UCLA, and Washington have all chosen to stay at their current stadiums instead of moving to modern facilities that have been built in the past 20 years or so. Even smaller schools in big cities are moving for their own stadiums - Minnesota, Houston, Tulane, South Florida, and San Diego State are just a few I can think of off the top of my head.

Ok you keep buying that lottery ticket each week hoping to win. What you suggested is never going to happen and if it does I will be the first one there eating crow. until that happens I will continue enjoying the beautiful convenient stadium we play at now

 

[CaneinBroward]

Ok you keep buying that lottery ticket each week hoping to win. What you suggested is never going to happen and if it does I will be the first one there eating crow. until that happens I will continue enjoying the beautiful convenient stadium we play at now

And I will be right there with you buddy as I have for over 30 years now.

They better not be waiting on me. If I win the lottery, I'll give a nice donation to the university, but **** far less than a new stadium. lol

 

[rsa coral gables]

I think it also have to do w/ timing & who’s proposing.

Imo, if The Marlin Stadium situation didn’t ***** over many ppl, there wouldn’t be nearly the amount of push back. Furthermore, being that u put me on game about Ruiz’s other project that went to **** & was sued for it. So I think those two factors also plays a heavy role.

Is there any empty parcels available in Broward or Dade out of curiosity? Imo, it would be much more feasible for Miami, based upon alumni size & current student body size, to have a 50k seat stadium, w/ an ability to add 8k more seats. I would use HRS for a prime time marquee game, â la UT using AT&T Stadium or UGA using Mercedes Benz.

there aren't a lot of 100 acre parcels available which i think you need, not even 75 acres ones. is it possible? yes. if it probable? no. and if it were, what benefit is there if UM just remains a tenant. no one here has laid out a reasonable, feasible path where UM's benefit in the stadium would be better than what it has right now.

 

[rsa coral gables]

I mean, to close this particular loop, those Malaysian guys paid a ton of money for the area where the herald building used to be… to build a casino. That was over a decade ago now - still no dice.

no dice because florida prohibits casinos except in certain places. but the malaysians paid IIRC $250MM and are now selling it for over $1B. IIRC it is about 20-25 total acres. could you fit a stadium? yes, but you'd have to spend another $1B building it and finding parking. how is going to do that?

 

[Empirical Cane]

and as i reported in the earlier thread on this subject, an ordinance will be approved and enacted essentially forbidding the redevelopment of the park so hopefully the nonsense about building a new stadium will finally go away

That still won't do it.

C'mon now meng.

 

[Empirical Cane]

i used HRS as a measure of the size of the stadium, +/-. you are right, it can be smaller but it doesn't change the result. the time for having a stadium owned by UM near the campus is over and it won't come back again unless someone wants to gift the school +/-$2B and and then the school decides to use that money or part of it for a stadium. i am convinced very few people on here understand the legal, finance and regulatory issues/hurdles.

the tribe that purchased Magic City won't be building a stadium, they will make billions off of a new revamped casino site.

i don't pay for the herald and won never do so. before this woke stuff happened and before the internet became a thing, they were a terrible organization. it has only gotten worse since then and i cannot wait for their demise.

UHealth $$$$$$.

I heard it can be used for anything the University* wants!!!


*assuming of course University is more important than UHealth as an entity

 

[CalicoCanes]

there aren't a lot of 100 acre parcels available which i think you need, not even 75 acres ones. is it possible? yes. if it probable? no. and if it were, what benefit is there if UM just remains a tenant. no one here has laid out a reasonable, feasible path where UM's benefit in the stadium would be better than what it has right now.

if there are any, wouldn't they be financially unreachable?

 

[skillydoo]

Bro, I got no problem if you disagree with me, but I know that wasn’t the gist of your post. I’d happily support our own stadium, but I’m just not seeing how it can be done.

I think you already read that apparently there’s some ordinance being proposed that will disallow any development of Tropical Park, so what’s next? That’s my only issue.

At some point we could have a stadium, but unfortunately I don’t think it’s going to be in our lifetimes to be honest. And to be honest from a land use situation, Broward is better suited than Dade. I just don’t know where, in Dade, we could build anything that would make sense.

This.

 

[hoops156]

I think it also have to do w/ timing & who’s proposing.

Imo, if The Marlin Stadium situation didn’t ***** over many ppl, there wouldn’t be nearly the amount of push back. Furthermore, being that u put me on game about Ruiz’s other project that went to **** & was sued for it. So I think those two factors also plays a heavy role.

Is there any empty parcels available in Broward or Dade out of curiosity? Imo, it would be much more feasible for Miami, based upon alumni size & current student body size, to have a 50k seat stadium, w/ an ability to add 8k more seats. I would use HRS for a prime time marquee game, â la UT using AT&T Stadium or UGA using Mercedes Benz.

really anything available in dade is out west and as far as HRS is basically (there's land around 75 and nw Miami dade). Broward has a bit more but its getting all developed (panthers are moving to DT FTL from sunrise but that's an arena compared to a football stadium which requires much more land). it's hard to get a football stadium approved here for only 7-8 games unless we share w HS and go all in w Miami dade public schools. even ross couldn't get his own stadium improvements done and had to shell out for it. I Also don't see the fins giving us the marquee games (****, you want those in your building and not HRS bc that's the full games - look man its ab broken record but you're mistaken if you think the county and area cares about sports that way bc it doesn't. anyone on here from Miami will tell you that Miami draws when it is good and a big game. that won't change no matter the team and sport. we are a bandwagon event town and nothing else. you'll still see 35k for the crappy acc games we play and you'll see a full crowd for the big games). don't worry about student attendance. it sucks and always sucked int he modern era. the students don't care and were so small, they don't matter. alumni don't live here anymore and go back to where they're from. I already said do a study to see where your STHers are and focus on sites there. that's what matters more for canes football.

the county basically forced UM out of the OB from what ir ember. that place was in shambles at the end tho so it needed A LOT of repair work.

 

[hoops156]

This.

it won't stop blowhards on twitter. as is aid, wake me up when this gets to a county vote. till then its just a hypo

 

[rsa coral gables]

really anything available in dade is out west and as far as HRS is basically (there's land around 75 and nw Miami dade). Broward has a bit more but its getting all developed (panthers are moving to DT FTL from sunrise but that's an arena compared to a football stadium which requires much more land). it's hard to get a football stadium approved here for only 7-8 games unless we share w HS and go all in w Miami dade public schools. even ross couldn't get his own stadium improvements done and had to shell out for it. I Also don't see the fins giving us the marquee games (****, you want those in your building and not HRS bc that's the full games - look man its ab broken record but you're mistaken if you think the county and area cares about sports that way bc it doesn't. anyone on here from Miami will tell you that Miami draws when it is good and a big game. that won't change no matter the team and sport. we are a bandwagon event town and nothing else. you'll still see 35k for the crappy acc games we play and you'll see a full crowd for the big games). don't worry about student attendance. it sucks and always sucked int he modern era. the students don't care and were so small, they don't matter. alumni don't live here anymore and go back to where they're from. I already said do a study to see where your STHers are and focus on sites there. that's what matters more for canes football.

the county basically forced UM out of the OB from what ir ember. that place was in shambles at the end tho so it needed A LOT of repair work.

it was the city of miami and the UM administration.

Joe Robbie asked the City to help subsidize the redevelopment of the OB by building luxury skyboxes which in the 1980s became a massive revenue stream for owners. he proposed that the redevelopment occur for a period of years to keep the OB in operation but revamped. the same thing that Soldier Stadium in Chicago and Lambeau in Green Bay did.

the city of miami said no in part because the city was bankrupt following the tumultous 1980s. so did UM. both the city and UM lacked vision and balls. robbie had both.

robbie then said **** you i'm leaving and ted arison gave him the land where HRS is today and robbie built the stadium with his own money.

once robbie left, the OB was done since it made no sense to keep up a stadium that was being used for 6 games a year. the orange bowl game had already moved to robbie stadium.

enter the marlins and they had everything ready, the opening, the lube and all they needed to do was insert the tool, which they did.

 

[hoops156]

it was the city of miami and the UM administration.

Joe Robbie asked the City to help subsidize the redevelopment of the OB by building luxury skyboxes which in the 1980s became a massive revenue stream for owners. he proposed that the redevelopment occur for a period of years to keep the OB in operation but revamped. the same thing that Soldier Stadium in Chicago and Lambeau in Green Bay did.

the city of miami said no in part because the city was bankrupt following the tumultous 1980s. so did UM. both the city and UM lacked vision and balls. robbie had both.

robbie then said **** you i'm leaving and ted arison gave him the land where HRS is today and robbie built the stadium with his own money.

once robbie left, the OB was done since it made no sense to keep up a stadium that was being used for 6 games a year. the orange bowl game had already moved to robbie stadium.

enter the marlins and they had everything ready, the opening, the lube and all they needed to do was insert the tool, which they did.

I was talking more about when we left but the JRS time was right when I was born (basically, it was built in 88?).

agreed which is why I don't see us getting our stadium on the county dime. I don't see a private individual coming in and giving us a stadium either (if we have our own home, it has to be ours and not anyone else's. everyone in Miami is selfish. they all care about themselves. this includes the boosters).

 

[hoops156]

really anything available in dade is out west and as far as HRS is basically (there's land around 75 and nw Miami dade). Broward has a bit more but its getting all developed (panthers are moving to DT FTL from sunrise but that's an arena compared to a football stadium which requires much more land). it's hard to get a football stadium approved here for only 7-8 games unless we share w HS and go all in w Miami dade public schools. even ross couldn't get his own stadium improvements done and had to shell out for it. I Also don't see the fins giving us the marquee games (****, you want those in your building and not HRS bc that's the full games - look man its ab broken record but you're mistaken if you think the county and area cares about sports that way bc it doesn't. anyone on here from Miami will tell you that Miami draws when it is good and a big game. that won't change no matter the team and sport. we are a bandwagon event town and nothing else. you'll still see 35k for the crappy acc games we play and you'll see a full crowd for the big games). don't worry about student attendance. it sucks and always sucked int he modern era. the students don't care and were so small, they don't matter. alumni don't live here anymore and go back to where they're from. I already said do a study to see where your STHers are and focus on sites there. that's what matters more for canes football.

the county basically forced UM out of the OB from what ir ember. that place was in shambles at the end tho so it needed A LOT of repair work.

ill also add that the people moving down here completely ****ed up the area too.

the cost of living is too high for what Miami pays on average. its a **** pay market compared to other big cities w a higher COL. ATL pays more on average (for lawyers, they pay at least 30-40k more). a lot of locals are starting to be priced out and moving away and the younger people are forced to look more north for housing. its gonna lead to even less interest in their local teams. the best part was when you go around the area and you see canes fans, heat, fins, etc from all over from all diff parts (whether a higher income neighborhood or a lower income neighborhood). now all those areas are being redeveloped and pricing everyone out. combine that w the insurance issues in FL and its not good.

 

[pacusmc]

Appreciate the article, but there’s some context that needs to be drawn here by comparison:

“The reason – wholly done for accounting purposes for the clubs – showed what matters to owners most: money.”

So after reading this article, it appears #’s have been fudged for attendance purposes in the professional leagues due to the blackout policy; games get blacked out & that’s lost of add’l revenue, including revenue sharing.

None of that applies to The University of Miami. ****, most of our games r being streamed anyway on ACCNX. My point is, in trying to state “here’s the attendance at the HRS in 2013 compared to The OB in 2001”, it’s a bit disingenuous. Many of the figures that’s been posted since our move to LS, SLS, HRS have been inflated.

Using a single game from 2017 which I’ve repeatedly explained was the perfect crescendo, + using artificial numbers where it’s clear many of our games are less than capacity are not sound or genuine arguments for staying at HRS. I would rather hear:

-It’s convenient for “me”
-I like the amenities it affords “me”
-“I” like the color aqua blue

Don’t you think other teams also inflate attendance when it’s convenient?