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McShay has Flowers & Perryman in his top 32 in '15 NFL Draft

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He has flowers at 17 not 12. I have seen a lot of draft reports and they seem to all like flowers.

From what i have seen most think he could go be picked in the 20's to 2nd round range.

They like flowers upside more so than what he is now.
 
RiDLer80 said:
LuCane said:
I figure Flowers to be a RT in the NFL. If that's how NFL teams see him as well, it will likely drop him a little.
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DJ Fluker went 11th overall as a RT. I don't think Flowers will be hurt that much.
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Good point. Fluker's struggled against the speed rush, though. They're not necessarily style comparisons, but I think there are some potential LTs who may be seen as more valuable than Flowers. And, ya'll know I've loved Flowers to the point of bias.

Hope he'd fall to the Phins.
 
LuCane said:
RiDLer80 said:
LuCane said:
I figure Flowers to be a RT in the NFL. If that's how NFL teams see him as well, it will likely drop him a little.
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DJ Fluker went 11th overall as a RT. I don't think Flowers will be hurt that much.
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Good point. Fluker's struggled against the speed rush, though. They're not necessarily style comparisons, but I think there are some potential LTs who may be seen as more valuable than Flowers. And, ya'll know I've loved Flowers to the point of bias.

Hope he'd fall to the Phins.
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I think athletically, Flowers offers more versatility than Fluker. Flowers can be thrown on the left side if need be whereas Fluker is strictly a RT IMO.

In that sense, I think Flowers is at least as valuable as Fluker draft-wise.
 
I just have a hard time with all the false starts... Guy had a ton for someone projected in the first round..... That just shows a serious lack of discipline.. DP and Duke need to be in new england... I can only imagine Duke returning kicks and in that Shane Vereen role.... kid would put up better numbers than sproles....
 
So we have Two projected 1st rounders, recorded breaking and projected 2nd round running back and a 1st team all American freshman quarterback and we finished 6-6! Punts cat, shakes head and walks away!
 
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RiDLer80 said:
LuCane said:
RiDLer80 said:
LuCane said:
I figure Flowers to be a RT in the NFL. If that's how NFL teams see him as well, it will likely drop him a little.
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DJ Fluker went 11th overall as a RT. I don't think Flowers will be hurt that much.
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Good point. Fluker's struggled against the speed rush, though. They're not necessarily style comparisons, but I think there are some potential LTs who may be seen as more valuable than Flowers. And, ya'll know I've loved Flowers to the point of bias.

Hope he'd fall to the Phins.
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I think athletically, Flowers offers more versatility than Fluker. Flowers can be thrown on the left side if need be whereas Fluker is strictly a RT IMO.

In that sense, I think Flowers is at least as valuable as Fluker draft-wise.
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I agree but you can't compare one draft to another. Unless Flowers kills his workout n combine, he is a late first at best. Hope I'm wrong, love to see the kid get paid.
 
McShay is a liar. He knows **** well that this is a process, and the process is only beginning. Clouds don't allow teams to have first rounders. Get him out of my sight.
 
Draft Grade Rumors

Ereck Flowers Earns Top-20 Grade

Updated Dec. 20, 2014
By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell

A year ago in the back half of the 2013 college football season, Auburn left tackle Greg Robinson became a hot draft prospect with a meteoric rise into the top five. Robinson ended up being the second player selected in the 2014 NFL Draft, but for a long time, no one was mentioning him along with higher-profile prospects like Texas A&M's Jake Matthews and Michigan's Taylor Lewan. Robinson ended up being picked ahead of both of them.

This year, another tackle prospect is hot with NFL teams but isn't getting a lot media attention from the media or draft pundits. That player is Miami junior left tackle Ereck Flowers. The 6-foot-6, 324-pounder has an excellent combination of size, strength, quickness and athleticism. He has been a physical run blocker for Duke Johnson while being very reliable as a pass protector. Multiple teams told us that Flowers is grading out as a first-round pick if he enters the 2015 NFL Draft.

Sources with one team say that they have given Flowers a top-20 grade. Other teams rate him in the first round as well. They all expect Flowers to declare for the 2015 NFL Draft.

This season, Flowers has had a number of impressive performances including his game against Nebraska when matched up against edge rusher Randy Gregory. Gregory had a couple of nice plays, but the majority of reps against each other went to Flowers. Any NFL team would like that level of play against a top-10 talent like Gregory. Flowers missed a few games with a torn meniscus, but returned to the field in impressive fashion against Florida State.

Flowers hasn't received the attention of tackle prospects like Stanford's Andrus Peat, Texas A&M's Cedric Ogbuehi, Iowa's Brandon Scherff or LSU's La'el Collins. However, like Robinson a year ago, NFL teams feel Flowers could end up getting drafted ahead of many of those more highly touted players.


Perryman, McKinney Grade as Late First, Early Second-Round Picks

Updated Dec. 13, 2014
By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell

Over the past few years, it has been hard for middle linebackers to get into the first round of the NFL Draft. Similar to the running back position, middle linebacker has been downgraded in importance as the league continues on the path of being passing-oriented. As a result, some good college linebackers have fallen to the second day of the draft.

Two players who are on the brink of the first round in the 2015 NFL Draft are Miami's Denzel Perryman and Mississippi State's Bernardrick McKinney. Scouts told us that both are excellent players and future three-down starters in the NFL. They believe that Perryman and McKinney will be late first-round or early second-round picks.

For the second straight year, Perryman has been very impressive in the middle of the Miami defense. Perryman has 102 tackles with 8.5 for a loss, three forced fumbles, two sacks, four passes broken up and one interception in 2014. He is a tough run defender in the tackle box who happens to be a physical presence. Sources say they hear the 6-foot, 242-pounder doesn't time well in the 40-yard dash, but they feel he's a pure football player who has shown the ability to function in pass coverage.

McKinney, meanwhile, was a leader on a Mississippi State defense that had a good season. He had 61 tackles, eight tackles for a loss, three sacks, three passes broken up and a forced fumble this year. One of those sacks came against Texas A&M tackle Cedric Ogbuehi. McKinney (6-5, 249) is very athletic with the ability to play in pass coverage or rush the passer.

http://www.walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill.php
 
CCane said:
INCaneFan said:
I honestly don't understand all the hype over Flowers.

Yes on great size and as noted above, showed toughness in coming back as quickly as he did.

My problem is that he absolutely horrible when he's asked to move and block in space. The entire team is pretty bad at that. He's also good for a stupid penalty every game he's in, seemingly at critical times....then again most times have been critical for this team.

I just don't see him as being worthy of anything close to the 12th pick in the draft. I'd take a chance late 3rd or beyond but that's it. I also think he'll get eaten alive by a lot of speed rush ends in the league.

Perryman, right defense....he'll be a monster. I can only imagine how good (he was **** good here while improving every year in various facets of his game) he can become in the NFL when he gets good coaching and schemes. Potential HOF LB'er.
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I don't know what McShay is looking at either... but he's way off all the time. He has the strength to anchor and gets good push, but doesn't have good lateral agility and can't hit a moving target at all. 2nd Rd. at best to me.

With Perryman, he has good speed and can find the back, scrape and get to the ball quickly. He also hits hard. But he doesn't cover well, has trouble shedding blocks, and can get fooled more than you can accept. He could become a decent LB'er, but I definitely don't see a Pro Bowler, let alone a HOFer.
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Well I see Perryman make plays all over the field all game every single game. Pro bowler for sure.

I see whoever Flowers is blocking well......running into Flowers all game not ever getting close to our QB.

Don't get too technical. These guys are good. Everyone sees that. The draft will determine just HOW good GMs think they can become.
 
epsilon06 said:
Draft Grade Rumors

Ereck Flowers Earns Top-20 Grade

Updated Dec. 20, 2014
By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell

A year ago in the back half of the 2013 college football season, Auburn left tackle Greg Robinson became a hot draft prospect with a meteoric rise into the top five. Robinson ended up being the second player selected in the 2014 NFL Draft, but for a long time, no one was mentioning him along with higher-profile prospects like Texas A&M's Jake Matthews and Michigan's Taylor Lewan. Robinson ended up being picked ahead of both of them.

This year, another tackle prospect is hot with NFL teams but isn't getting a lot media attention from the media or draft pundits. That player is Miami junior left tackle Ereck Flowers. The 6-foot-6, 324-pounder has an excellent combination of size, strength, quickness and athleticism. He has been a physical run blocker for Duke Johnson while being very reliable as a pass protector. Multiple teams told us that Flowers is grading out as a first-round pick if he enters the 2015 NFL Draft.

Sources with one team say that they have given Flowers a top-20 grade. Other teams rate him in the first round as well. They all expect Flowers to declare for the 2015 NFL Draft.

This season, Flowers has had a number of impressive performances including his game against Nebraska when matched up against edge rusher Randy Gregory. Gregory had a couple of nice plays, but the majority of reps against each other went to Flowers. Any NFL team would like that level of play against a top-10 talent like Gregory. Flowers missed a few games with a torn meniscus, but returned to the field in impressive fashion against Florida State.

Flowers hasn't received the attention of tackle prospects like Stanford's Andrus Peat, Texas A&M's Cedric Ogbuehi, Iowa's Brandon Scherff or LSU's La'el Collins. However, like Robinson a year ago, NFL teams feel Flowers could end up getting drafted ahead of many of those more highly touted players.


Perryman, McKinney Grade as Late First, Early Second-Round Picks

Updated Dec. 13, 2014
By Charlie Campbell - @draftcampbell

Over the past few years, it has been hard for middle linebackers to get into the first round of the NFL Draft. Similar to the running back position, middle linebacker has been downgraded in importance as the league continues on the path of being passing-oriented. As a result, some good college linebackers have fallen to the second day of the draft.

Two players who are on the brink of the first round in the 2015 NFL Draft are Miami's Denzel Perryman and Mississippi State's Bernardrick McKinney. Scouts told us that both are excellent players and future three-down starters in the NFL. They believe that Perryman and McKinney will be late first-round or early second-round picks.

For the second straight year, Perryman has been very impressive in the middle of the Miami defense. Perryman has 102 tackles with 8.5 for a loss, three forced fumbles, two sacks, four passes broken up and one interception in 2014. He is a tough run defender in the tackle box who happens to be a physical presence. Sources say they hear the 6-foot, 242-pounder doesn't time well in the 40-yard dash, but they feel he's a pure football player who has shown the ability to function in pass coverage.

McKinney, meanwhile, was a leader on a Mississippi State defense that had a good season. He had 61 tackles, eight tackles for a loss, three sacks, three passes broken up and a forced fumble this year. One of those sacks came against Texas A&M tackle Cedric Ogbuehi. McKinney (6-5, 249) is very athletic with the ability to play in pass coverage or rush the passer.

http://www.walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill.php
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Waiting for a few of those guys from last year, who said we didn't have sufficient talent, to come around here and re-assess. Whether both of these players get drafted in or around the first round or not, it's funny we really had those discussions.

Here are some fun quotes from just one thread last year:

- Lu, you ALWAYS pull out that ridiculous statement. Who are these so called NFL players?
- You love Erick Flowers but I haven't seen him do anything yet that has me believing he is elite.
- Perryman is a good player and probably will make a good NFL LB but he isn't elite.
 
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